Talk:Nantes/Archive 1

Pronunciation
I removed the pronunciation of the Brazilian Nantes, because there is no standard pronunciation for Brazilian Portuguese. I can count six similar, but different ways in which Nantes can be pronounced by a Brazilian. JoaoRicardo 03:59, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Created a new subject heading "Famous people born in Nantes" 213.36.9.227 14:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Brittany vs Pays de la Loire
I removed the, "It is also the most important city of Brittany" for "It is also the most important city of historic Brittany, but it is in the Pays de la Loire region." It is actually the capital of that region. Matthieu 21:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

In the "20th century" Nantes was a centre of the slave trade?

Clearly false.

Paul Marks.

TfD nomination of Template:Nantes infobox
Template:Nantes infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. This template is only used in the Nantes article (and only likely to be). Template should be subst'd here and deleted. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 19:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

New Infobox Template proposition
I'd like to bring your attention to a new - or other - version of the "Large French Cities" infobox presently at use in a few French cities pages. The present version is much too large, partly because it consecrates too much space to information having little importance to French demography and an only distant and indirect relevence to the city itself. Instead I propose to follow a less cumbersome model closer to that used by the New York City article - you can view the new version in the Paris talk page here. Please view and comment. T HE P ROMENADER 22:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As a result of some discussion over the past weeks, there is an updated template available for perusal in its 'published ' form (filled with data) here - all comments welcome. --  T HE P ROMENADER  07:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Inaccurate image
Does anyone else think that the map of France on this page shows Nantes to be to close to the coast? NumberJunkie 02:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, someone's fixed it now NumberJunkie 02:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The coast is nearly at 35 kilometers of the "centre ville", but the agglomeration includes Saint Nazaire, the port of the "région"

Public transport
"The system works efficiently with moderate ticket rates, rare delays, constant informations about the network and clean transports". This statement is POV and needs to be backed up with sources or removed --Careless hx 02:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it should be removed, i experienced the system in Nantes once and it has been on of the best transportation system i ever saw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.22.194 (talk) 03:14, 30 July, 2007 (UTC)
 * Cite an independent source then. You just admitted there that that statement is POV, so either it needs to be backed up with an independent source or removed --Careless hx 02:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * oops, it's already gone... move along, nothing to see here etc. --Careless hx 02:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "one of the best" is clearly weasel words. Michellecrisp 02:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

User:67.68.22.194 and his revisions
While his efforts are appreciated, I am completely fed up with his vandalism due to lack of knowledge and sense.

Firstly, there is a 'citation needed' stamp on the lead paragraph because when claims like the one there are made, we need to find a valid citation from a reliable external website to back such up with. Second of all, there is no need to create a separate paragraph entitled 'Nantes and Brittany'; the topic is dealt with in detail at the page Brittany and the relationship between the two is no different or no more special than that between Brittany and anywhere else in the Pays de la Loire that was formerly a part of the province. Thirdly, accents (i.e. á è) are to be left on words, they are their proper titles and you are breaking hyperlinks by changing them. Fourthly, 'Brittany' is not spelt 'Britanny'. Fifthly, titles are not to be fully capitalized, i.e. the correct version of 'Parks And Gardens' is 'Parks and gardens'.

These are all quite simple guidelines, and while once again your efforts are appreciated, it is your responsibility to know these guidelines before you make wholesale changes to an article, on the basis of 'cleaning it'. Finally, please create a user account, it would make this a lot easier. Thank you. Schcambo 10:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that the wikipedia user Schcambo gets really mad when one article is switched back to its original context due to his lack of knowledge about the city of Nantes and his incorrect English. First of all, Nantes And Brittany is a needed article as it is one of the most important part of the history of the city, and this section has been taken from the french article, if you only took a look on the french one! Second of all, fully capitalized titles are the correct way to do so, like Park And Gardens for instance, this is a TITLE, and all the words have to be fully capitalized on a web page. And finally, there is absolutely NO NEED to create an account on Wikipedia, that's why no username is required to edit articles.


 * Thanks User:67.68.22.194


 * While you are not required to create an account on Wikipedia, you should learn about Wikipedia policies and formatiting. In Wikipedia, we use senence case for headings within articles, not Title case. Please see WP:MSH for more on this. You may disagree with this format, but this it the Wikipedia style. More about the Wikipedia style can be found in the Manual of Style. Its purpose is to give Wikipedia a more consistent appearance. The capitalization of headings in this article should not differ from other articles. Ground Zero | t 22:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's be clear: the anonymous user who keeps inflicting editing, spelling and grammatical errors on this article is vandalizing it. This is not acceptable. I think it is time to protect this article from editing by anonymous users to prevent further vandalism. Ground Zero | t 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, should be semi protected. A number of changes were made without explanation, including removal of valid tags I had placed, and reinstatement of clear advertising links. Michellecrisp 02:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed some more. Requested partial protection 1 week --Careless hx 02:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagred the fact to not have a username on wikipedia doesn't mean that correcting or adding new things are vandalism, otherwise as i said previously non wikipedia users wouldn't be allowed to edit, so you should learn more about wikipedia. We should protect articles from people like you. The fact that you have a username doesn't mean you are trustworthy, i heard that several people did vandalism on wikipedia and they had a username, plus i got better things to do than vandalize article which i never did. The question is, why are you so concerned about this article when YOU vandalize, i think i can say that, because you delete sections and modify things your own way, but things are not like that on wikipedia, you got tons on things to learn about the whole thing.


 * I see a clear WP:KETTLE here. Michellecrisp 04:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Any chance of amalgamating this section into the one I had already created above, understandably I think the title of this one is misleading to say the least. Schcambo 17:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Ground Zero | t 17:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's going too far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.22.194 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 4 August 2007

Semi protection
As other editors agree with semi-protection, and as the anonymous editor continues to revert to a version that has spelling, grammatical and formatting errors, I have semi-protected the page for three days.

Anon editor: I have provided information to you on how headings within articles are capitalised in Wikipedia. You continue to impose your own style over the Wikipedia style. This is unacceptable. It is obvious from both your edits and your comment above that you do not speak English well. That is no barrier to editing the English language Wikipedia, of course, but you must accept that other editors will correct your poor English from time to time. The edits you are continually making to this article do not meet the standards of English writing that we maintain here. If after the semi-protection is lifted, you continue reverting this article, I will semi-protect for longer. Ground Zero | t 11:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently you are saying that anonymous editors got a poor english, but about you ground zero, it seems that your english is awfully poor as well, according to your messages and edits on the article full of mistakes once you edited them. So you should accept others to correct what you changed, and you can't as well edit the article your own way, as it doesn't meet the standards of English, as well for your french, it would be better if you used a translator when you write french words, for instance you keep writing "prefacture" and the correct word is "Prefecture". It is obvious according to your edits that you should improve you knowledge of English, as well for your french. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.22.194 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 4 August 2007


 * Please read WP:NPA. Personal attacks on other editors are not tolerated. And incidentally, the correct word in relation to the French usage is "Préfecture", even on the English wiki. Schcambo 15:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see any personal attacks here. You should quit whining about comments from other other and bring good contributions to the article instead of making a fuss for every single word. I read the mindless comments above from all users, and it seems to be a kiddy fighting and endless edit war. Firstwind


 * Hold on a minute, let's be clear once more - User:Firstwind and User:67.68.22.194 are the same person (the proof is in the Reviews section below, where comments made by the same person have been variously signed by the two.) WP:SOCK clearly states that sock puppets should not be used for the purpose of deception, distraction, or to create the illusion of broader support for a position than actually exists. This is exactly what you've just done. To make matters worse, your anon account is already on its final warning. I have reported you to an admin for these actions.


 * I have just had to revert several of your most recent changes because you are still not aware of wiki guidelines. Firstly, please read WP:LS for info on lead paragraphs. In lead paragraphs, we don't put every accolade the town has ever received. For English speaking users, Time is the only notable magazine, the rest are still in the 'Miscellaneous' section. Secondly, the word 'transport' is never made plural. Thirdly, 'Intercity trains' is the most accurate title, because it differentiates between trains going between cities, which are dealt with in this section, and suburban trains, which are dealt with in the 'Public transport' section. Schcambo 10:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not the same person as the ip address shown above, i use sometimes the same pc as the unknown user because i just go to his place, and i agree with what he thinks and by the way can you prove that i got more than one account? using a same ip address doesn't mean anything. Honnestly, you look like a cop user Schcambo, trying to control every single word anyone is saying or else, but then i'd like to receive a personal message from an administrator telling me that all i do and did was wrong, then i'm gonna be sure that all of your actions against me and my bud are true and trustable. I'm not sure all of your messages are true, like for your edits for instance, you put things you're not sure about, before deleting elements corrected in an article, you should talk about it through the conversation room. By the way, you're excellent for filling conversation rooms with all of that fuss, and it seems clear that you're trying to look like an administrator but you're not one at all, and i'm gonna have a talk with one about your behaviour from what you did to the user User:67.68.22.194 and all the mess you're creatingFirstwind

WP:KETTLE again. Curious that firstwind defends User:67.68.22.194 yet User:67.68.22.194 has clearly failed to "talk about it through the conversation room" (as firstwind recommends above) at least 10 times through their edits. both User:67.68.22.194 and firstwind threaten time and time again to go to an Administrator but fail to do so. I have seen nothing wrong with Schcambo's behaviour and it's curious how the firstwind account appeared once the 3 day block on anonymous IPs was placed on this article. Michellecrisp 00:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Very curious isn't it? The block gets put in place at 10:52 on 1 August, and then Firstwind's account gets created at 20:58 on the same day! You know, it's almost as if the anon user never realised that semi-protection extends to new users too... Schcambo 10:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Or how User:67.68.22.194 stopped editing on 4 August only to be taken by the same style of editing by Firstwind... The more you play games the more evidence you provide you're a sockpuppet. Michellecrisp 11:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Excessive lists
I'm proposing to cut down excessive lists in this article as per WP:NOT. There is no need to list every museum, also some form of introductory text is required for an encyclopaedia. Michellecrisp 03:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It may be worth considering scrapping the lists entirely, as deciding which museums etc. are worth retaining will be difficult for a non-resident. --Careless hx 23:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that this is the ultimate rule, but if it has its own Wikipedia article then it's obviously notable. but we can't name every single museum etc. Michellecrisp 00:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see the need to remove any museum. Every single museum is important and part of the history of the city, i know the article is not a travel guide, but all museum are the culture of Nantes, so i think none of them should be removed. I was a resident so i know what i'm talking about.Firstwind
 * I completely agree with Firstwind - every single museum listed here is important to the cuture of this city (and it is not all of them; I could add more, but won't. However I must add the monumental landmark, Notre-Dame de Bon-Port, whose huge dome dominates the skyline west of downtown.) Nantes is the historical capital of Brittany, and is among the largest cities in France. - - - I do not find the lists in this article particulary long. I could point to dozens of other articles that have more, longer lists. However, I agree that the Media section, and possibly others, look like "laundry lists". I will put them into multiple columns. Charvex 00:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If a museum is so notable on Wikipedia, then it should really have its own article, it is not the role of Wikipedia to list every museum in every town as per WP:NOT. If all the museums in Nantes satisfy this: Notability_%28organizations_and_companies%29 then I'd keep them, but they don't. Berlin has over 150 museums yet only these are listed in List of museums and galleries in Berlin. Michellecrisp 11:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Reviews
I think that the politics and administration section is definitely a good addition for the article, but you shouldn't have modify the transports section and removed the suburban trains section without discussing about it. About the busway, i lived in Nantes when the busway was launched and it was declared to be officially the first european busway, so i left the section as it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstwind (talk • contribs) 21:05, 3 August 2007


 * Thanks for creating an account. First thing, the trains in France (other than the TGV) are actually called "Intercité" trains, not national. Second of all, while Nantes may be the first 'modern' busway, there has been a similar system operating to Evry since the 70's. Please use references if you still disagree. Thirdly, this statement: The system works efficiently with moderate ticket rates, rare delays, constant informations about the network and clean transports, is not a neutral point of view, if you wish to keep it, again please reference. Finally hyperlinks (words contained in ) are an integral part of helping to link up different wiki articles, so please don't remove them. Schcambo 21:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * About the trains, i'm from nantes and it's called "trains regionaux" for the local trains, or "trains a echelle nationale" for tgv and others. You're probably right about Evry, but is it a real busway system? i don't know if you have been in Nantes, but the busway there got the same infrastructure as the tramway or few features like subways systems. I think a reference would be fine for the statements about the transports. I saw in previous conversations that some people "plan" to remove museums from the list, but you shouldn't because they are all importants and should stay as it is. last thing there is no need to put  everywhere, simply keep the  sign, as it is the most used on most wikipedia articles and i think the most logical. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.22.194 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 3 August 2007


 * The problem with busways are that the definition of them can be very loose, however we can only rely on the accuracy of the busway article, where Evry is listed. Yes I've been in Nantes, yes I've seen the busway there. As for trains, I can categorically tell you that on the sides of the non-TGV trains, it says "Intercité". Finally, please read Style - Colons should have complete sentences before them - whereas semi-colons are simply a way of continuing a sentence. Schcambo 15:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I finally agree with you about the busway subject. But i think you shouldn't trust your "wee" knowledge of what you saw once in Nantes, i suppose a trip to Nantes is not enough to display infos on the article when you've just "seen" something, non TGV trains are called "TER" for "Train Express Regional" for local trips or "Corail" for nationwide journeys, intercite is an old mark displayed before "corail" on trains which are still running but keeping the old logo and the term is also still used, but you cannot write the title this way as the section includes three different type of trains. So the title can be as it was before, just "Trains" as you could see on most articles about French cities, i absolutely don't see the need to put the "intecity" word, especially translated in English which is not correct with the context of the section. Thank you anyway for your contributions to the article. If you disagree, please use references. Firstwind

History of Nantes
I've just realised that most of the history of Nantes section has been copied from here, the problem being that this page is copyrighted. Schcambo 10:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I think by combining it with this it can be changed enough. Schcambo 11:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Rail
Hi, I live in Nantes. I know the use of “intercity trains” has already been debated however after careful consideration I don’t think it is appropriate for two main reasons: - It’s not in use in other articles on French cities - “Intercité” is the name of the corail trains in France that connect cities directly (without going to Paris), but the section of the article also describes TGVs (which are clearly not “intercity” whether this adjective is implied for it’s English or French meaning) Since other french cities with a Transport section use “Rail” I suggest we use this neutral word in this article too. Please pardon my limited englishMthibault 12:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Completely understand where you're coming from, but you have to realise that "Rail" is also discussed in the preceding paragraph about "Public transport", in relation to trams and suburban/commuter rail. Thus, because this is an English-language encyclopedia, the meaning of "Intercity trains" is specifically refering to its English meaning, i.e. trains that go between cities, and so is perfectly appropriate. Schcambo 17:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection
I have semi-protected this article because an unregistered editor keeps restoring his poorly worded version of the article. With regard to his edit summary,
 * (It is clear that ground zero and schcambo are the same user owning several accounts. According to his poor english written articles and nonsense content, i'm reverting it to something credible)

anyone is free to investigate our accounts. They will find that we do not have the same IP addresses. I am a long-standing contributor to Wikipedia, and an adminstrator. Ground Zero | t 17:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Problems with the unregistered user's edits: This is why I think Schambo's version is superior. Ground Zero | t 03:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Line three is today replacing line two" -- this is an improper use of the present continuous tense. This implies that line three is replacing line two today, and only today. I assume that this is an on-going replacement, and not a temporary one.
 * "nearby Nantes Atlantique Airport" -- Schambo's "near Nantes Atlantique Airport is more formal. "nearby" is too colloquial for an encyclopaedia.
 * "Line two now ends at Gare de Pont Rousseau station which links up with a suburban train station of the same name in the borough of Rezé." -- this is unclear: is the line linking up with a train station, or is the Gare de Pont Rousseau station linking up?

No need to use differents IP addresses to prove you're not the same person, many people do it like you unknown, because despite your differents nicknames, you are an unknown and a faker. Apparently your knowledge of English is reaching the ridiculous, the sentence "is today replacing" is absolutely correct and doesn't mean only today to english speakers, it is clear that you're not a native from english speaking countries. Tramway line two is linking with a suburban train station, nothing unclear here. Another thing, be careful when you write the word encyclopedia, your arrogance makes you make some kind of mistakes. Unknown users -- unsigned comment by User:195.101.63.39

I am starting to think that you may be a troll. You continue making these ridiculous claims about me and other users (being the same person, and not being native speakers) without any evidence, and because you are so very incorrect about the English language.

With respect to the spelling error that you claimed I made, please look up the word in a dictionary. "Encyclopedia" and "encyclopaedia" are both correct spellings. The former is the American spelling, and the latter is the United Kingdom spelling.

Also, as a friendly pointer, in English, the adjectives generally do not change form, i.e., they do not agree with the nouns as in French. So "differents" is not a word in English. In your comments above, you should write "different addresses" and "different nicknames". Of course, writing in correct English is not necessary on talk pages, but it is in articles, so I will continue to correct your English in the article.

Your continued abusive behaviour convinces me the firmer measures to prevent you disruptiveness are appropriate. If you believe that my behaviour as an administrator is inappropriate, you can seek the assistance of an administrator or of a mediator.

I have restored the semi-protection on the article because User:Firstwind has edited this to revert grammatical and stylistic improvements. Ground Zero | t 14:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is his/her latest version:
 * Line three is replacing line two on its south side, which now ends at Neustrie, nearby Nantes Atlantique Airport. Line two now ends at brand new station Gare de Pont Rousseau linking up with a suburban train station of the same name in the borough of Rezé.

Ground Zero | t 17:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) "is replacing" -- incorrect use of present continuous tense as noted above. This would be translated into French as "est en train de repmplacer...", which would not make sense in this context.
 * "nearby" -- "near" provides a more formal tone.
 * "at brand new station" -- this phrase lacks an article ("a" or "the"), and the adjectival phrase "brand new" is too colloquial for an encyclopedia.

Nothing to do with the french language in this article. All of the "initial" sentences are correct without any gramatical mistakes.

"Line three is also to replace line two on its south side, which now ends at Neustrie, near Nantes Atlantique Airport, at the Gare de Pont Rousseau, a suburban train station in the borough of Rezé."

Those sentences doesn't make any sense, and as i told you user ground zero, schcambo...(your fake identity has been unveiled anyway) you should use references instead of writting nonsense. You may eventually propose anything on the talk page, but serious users won't let you put wrongs things as you please, perhaps you do it on purpose. In that case you vandalize it and you seem to be an Internet thug.

"Nearby" means more explanation rather than near for an encyclopedia. Line three ends at Neustrie, and not neustrie and gare de pont rousseau. Also Gare de Pont Rousseau is a station with both tramways and trains platforms linked.

You should check things before making anymore modifications on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstwind (talk • contribs) 16:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Please abide by Wikipedia's policy on No personal attacks. I am not Schambo. I have revised the text to address some of your concerns without incorporating the grammatical erros upon which you are insisting. It is clear that you are not a native English speaker. Your contributions to the English Wikipedia are welcome, but please recognise that otehr editors will correct your English. I make mistakes sometimes, too, and I am glad when others correct them for me. I do not attack them for doing so. Ground Zero | t 17:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any personal attack here!!! as usual USE REFERENCES! you are persisting about gramatical mistakes and keeping reverting a text that doesn't make any sense, this is called vandalism. You're right nobody's perfect but it appears that you are not a native english speaker according to your poor english comments and your modifications on the article. You should accept others to correct you, because you are not allowed to make mistakes on any articles. User talk:Firstwind


 * 1) I have explained the grammar to you.
 * 2) I have not incorporated any new material into the article, so I do not understand why you are asking me for references.
 * 3) You have called me an internet thug and accused me of being a sock puppet for User:Schambo. These are personal attacks.
 * 4) I have tried to edit this to respond to your concerns to the extent that I understand them, but you are insisting on maintaining your own version with the grammatical mistakes that I have identified above. Please try work to with me to resolve this, instead of demanding your version and only your version. Ground Zero | t 18:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The following for your own benefit...
 * First, calling someone an "internet thug" is a personal attack.
 * Second, you were the one who added the 'information' about the tram expansion in the first place. We have simply tried to make some sense of it. It is your responsibility to find a reference for what you have written, even if it's in French, so we could have a look and try to understand what your garbled English is saying.
 * Third, "nearby" is only an adverb or an adjective, similar to "close". Therefore, it is grammatically incorrect to say “nearby Nantes airport”, just as you can’t say “close Nantes airport”. “Near” is a preposition, like “beside”, which is grammatically correct.
 * Fourth, “Line two now ends at brand new station Gare de Pont Rousseau linking up with a suburban train station of the same name in the borough of Rezé,” implies there are two rail stations in Rezé both of the name “Gare de Pont Rousseau” which of course isn’t the case: there is one station which serves both tram and suburban rail services, hence my change several days ago.
 * Lastly, saying that either myself or Ground Zero are not native English speakers is pathetic and ridiculous; it is plainly obvious that we are.
 * Now can I suggest that you take these points into account, and reply below with a version of this text that you would like? Thanks. Schcambo 18:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

How odd! Schcambo has not logged in for a few days but then just after ground zero, odd! No doubt you're the same person and you owe more than two accounts. You also called me "troll" so this is considered as a personal attack as well. You also called other users sockpuppets, troll... you better watch your language before accusing other, this ain't smart! Your modifications about the tramway expansion doesn't make any sense, tha's why me and other users reverted it. Once again, check things in the first place. nearby is perfectly adapted with the context of the article. Yes this is the case, at "Gare de pont Rousseau", there is a brand new tramway station linking up with an old suburban train station of the same name. That's what i explained you many time but you didn't listen. It's absolutely obvious that you are not native English speaker according to your comments and mistakes in the articles, and once again you won't fool anyone, you are just on person there is no trick here, not on wikipedia anyway. Honesty would be better for you, and we could work in harmony instead of composing lines and lines of unecessary comments on this talk page and complaining about each other's latest changements. Just think about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstwind (talk • contribs) 15:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If you think Schambo and i are the same user, you can check our IP addresses. You will find that mine is in Toronto, Canada. Schambo's user page says that he is Irish. I will ignore the rest of your vitriol, because it is tiresome. I have been reverting your edits because of the poor English. I am now trying to incorporate the factual points that you are making, because I would rather wortk to resolve this issue than continue fighting with you. I have tried now to work in your point about the connection to the other station. I hope that satisfies you. Are there any other points of fact that you think should be reflected? If the only difference now is a matter of style, then this is resolved, because I will not accept your poor English. Ground Zero | t 16:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

We are finally making progress
I think we will be able to resolve this, finally.

Here are the last changes that I made, and why:

1. “nearby Nantes Atlantique Airport” vs. “near Nantes Atlantique Airport” -- as User:Schcambo pointed out, “"nearby" is only an adverb or an adjective, similar to "close". Therefore, it is grammatically incorrect to say “nearby Nantes airport”, just as you can’t say “close Nantes airport”. “Near” is a preposition, like “beside”, which is grammatically correct.”

2. “brand new station” vs. “a new station” – because “station” is a noun, it needs a definite or indefinite article here (“a” or “the”), and “brand new” provides emphasis that is neither needed nor appropriate in tone for an encyclopaedia. When was it built? If it was more than a couple of weeks ago, it is no longer “brand new”.

3. “Line two now ends at brand new station … linking up with” vs. “which is connected to” – what is being linked up with – line two or the new station? “which is connected to” indicates that it is the new station that is connected to the old station. Also, “connected to” is more formal than “linking up with” and is therefore more appropriate for an encyclopaedia.

4. Placement of “in the borough of Rezé” – putting this after the “suburban station of the same name” suggests that it is the suburban station that is in Rezé. Putting this information after “Line two now ends” indicates that the end of the line end, and therefore both stations, are in the borough of Rezé. Ground Zero | t 17:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

An endless edit war finally ends
I can't trust anyone "just" saying that he lives in Ireland or in Canada, it's easy to lie but for now i won't make a fuss about it, as long as you bring good addictions to the article and you don't vandalize it, i'll leave you at peace. 'Know what, i'm finally satisfied with your last edit, and this endless edit war which finally wasn't will finally end up. I doesn't totally agree with the word "near" instead of "nearby", but i will leave it as it is now, as you accepted some of my modifications. Perhaps in some other part of the article we won't agree on certain points in the future, i would change or revert it only if i can't let you write with your poor English as you used to do sometimes, but i'm sure you will be fastidious from now on. One last thing, i think the talk page is kinda full of our previous conversations considered as "useless messages", it's up to you whether to clear it or keep it. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firstwind (talk • contribs) 14:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad you've finally accepted what we've said, but any more incidents like this and I can guarantee you I will be pushing for a block on you; your continued insistence that neither myself nor Ground Zero are native English speakers (and that we are really the same users) is tiring and pathetic at this stage. And yeah, these conversations will stay, should they be needed in the future. Regards --Schcambo 20:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you're credible about your identity and you're suspected to own more than one account, and in case anything bad happen again i'll stop you, but i won't insist on it now this edit war is over. Thank you for your contributions for the article. Regards