Talk:Napoleon Dynamite/Archive 1

Interests
Is there any real reason to have "Points of Interest"?

- Thorns Among Our Leaves  22:20, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The idea of the things under " trivia points of interest" is to link to other articles that explain things people might be curious about.

For example I didn't know what a "boondoggle" was before I saw the movie, and other people someone might be curious about the weapon he finds. ---

Napoleon is bright?
Why does the article call Napoleon "bright"? I see no evidence of this. In fact I think Napoleon is supposed to be one of the not-smart nerds, like a Milhouse instead of a Lisa Simpson.

Agreed, there is nothing in the movie to indicate that he is particularly bright.

Removed 'bright' from his description.


 * I'd say he is more of a geek than a nerd.


 * Yeah, he's not a nerd - more of a combination of a geek and a dork. (Not that the exact wording really matters.) --DearPrudence 20:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

(He's a Gork!) Crowstar  Vaseline-on-the-lens-Jitsu!fwends! 00:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC) I would say that recognizing the various defects in milk(in the FFA scene) by taste indicates a developed intelligence, or at least hunger for knowledge. He also has an aptitude for elaborate lies and improvisation, as with his "current event" about the loch ness monster(if not effective execution) and his sudden decision to dance in lieu of a "skit" for Pedro's election platform is indicative of the "risk-taking" tendency displayed in high-IQ males. Indeed, I believe the entire movie hinges on Napoleon's intelligence and grandiose creativity despite his extreme physical and social awkwardness and it was one of the things that audiences enjoyed about the film.

Black noun/adjective
This comment by IP 172.128.238.35 moved from article: On this page where LaFawnduh Lucas is referred to as "a black" assuming the noun tense I think that is inappropriate. I believe it would be more appropriate to identify her as "black" or a "black female" in that it describes her as she's viewed by others but not necesarily "what she is". Hope that makes sense.

Your site rocks.
 * I've changed it to "She is tall, stylish and black" so now it's an adjective not a noun, I think that's what you want. Feel free to change it yourself. Kappa 07:22, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mormon food saving
A user removed a phrase saying that Mormons keep a two year supply of food for the last days on the grounds that this isn't necessarily why Mormons keep a two year supply of food. I have returned the phrase with the following support from President Ezra Taft Benson.

"Those families will be fortunate who, in the last days, have an adequate supply of food" -- Ezra Taft Benson, "Prepare for the Days of Tribulation"

I did not mean to say that Mormons do not believe in having a two-year supply of food "for the last days" but, that that is not the only reason that they keep a two-year supply. Muj0

That may be true, but most evidence suggests that other reasons Mormons give for saving up a two years supply of food were developed later.

Someone else deleted the cheese block reference entirely saying that, "big blocks of cheese are a southern Idaho thing, not a mormonism thing"

I don't disagree with the statement that big blocks of cheese are a "southern Idaho thing", but it is narrow minded to believe that keeping large supplies of cheese cannot be present in more than one cultural group. One could even argue that there is no difference between a "southern Idaho thing" and a "Mormonism thing".

I deleted the parenthetical that said that the large block of cheese could be a characteristic of "Southern Idaho" culture rather than mormon culture. I think that is like saying that wearing surf clothing is a part of Anaheim culture and not Southern Californian. Southern Idaho is frequenlty refered to as "Northern Utah" and its inhabitants are overwhelmingly Mormon. There is no "southern Idaho culture" that is distinct from its greater Wasatch Front Mormon context.

Yes there is. You're obviously not familiar with the Cache Valley economy. The whole reason it's a Southern Idaho thing (or more specifically a Cache Valley thing) is because of the HUGE dairy economy. I can get tons of cheese in this area for dirt cheap, because dairy products are locally made. This is not the case for most other predomantly Mormon areas, such as Utah county, SLC, Mesa, Las Vegas, etc. Besides, I've never heard of anyone stocking their two years supply with cheese.

Three points in response:

1) 80% of the population of Cache Valley lives in the state of Utah. http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/geog/rrt/part4/chp14/95.htm.  I am absolutley famliar with the dairy culture of Cache Valley.


 * So? Nobody's disputing the high concentration of Mormonism in Cache Valley, including Preston. All I'm saying is that a huge block of cheese is much more typical to a Cache Valley resident (Mormon or not) than to a typical Mormon (Cache Valley or not).  The sentence in question contributes little to nothing to the article.  We don't need it.

2) The following is taken from one of many "provident living" food storage websites

"You can also purchase large blocks of high-quality cheese at the BYU dairy for a reasonable price. Buy in bulk (10-20 lbs) and you'll save a lot. Shred the cheese all at once, and freeze in small packets; it thaws very quickly, and is handy for salads, sandwiches, tacos, enchiladas, topping soups, etc." http://www.hashworks.com/foodstorage.htm

"For those with a large freezer or a large family, 5-pound blocks of cheese, 10-pound packages of frozen hamburgers and large quantities of frozen vegetables are often good buys. If the you-know-what hits the fan, you'll just have to eat alot of hamburgers for the first day or two." http://www.survival-center.com/guide/afford.htm


 * You're mixing up 72 hour kits with 2 year food storage. Besides, provident living is about living economically.  If that means buying in bulk, so be it.  Nobody is disputing that many Mormons buy in bulk, including cheese.  But most Mormons will not recognize a huge block of cheese in a movie and think "wow, they must be Mormon stocking up for the last days".  Barrels of grain or beans, sure.  blocks of cheese, no.


 * "But most Mormons will not recognize a huge block of cheese in a movie and think "wow, they must be Mormon stocking up for the last days". Barrels of grain or beans, sure.  blocks of cheese, no."  You're wrong.  I, being Mormon, recognized the large block of cheese immediately, I have seen the movie with a number of Mormon friends who also instantly recognize the block of cheese.


 * I, being Mormon and having ties to Cache Valley, also recognized the large block of cheese immediately, I have seen the movie with a number of Mormon friends with ties to Cache Valley who also instantly recognize the block of cheese. We all considered the large block of cheese as a Cache Valley thing.   We could quibble all day about this.  Again, the point is that the sentence in question contributes little to nothing to the article.  We don't need it.  If you're looking for Mormon influences in the movie, there are other things to mention that haven't been mentioned in this article: eg. the painting on Trisha's living room wall ("Girl Among the Hollyhocks" by John Hafen).

3) This is taken from a "recovering Mormon" website and indicates the ubiquity of the large block of cheese in Mormondom genrally.  I have spoken with many non-Cache Valley Mormons about the large-block-of cheese phenomenon and I believe it extends far beyond the dairy capital of Cache Valley:

In Reply to: Large famlies = indirect child abuse. posted by fallen angel on February 04, 1999 at 16:35:59:

My mom always used to tell me she believed that if two people live the gospel and follow the commandments (wow), Heavenly Father would provide the rest.

Consider this...

"My parents had five children before my dad graduated from BYU. No job, nothin'. Just Saturday's at the Farm shoveling shit and lots of wonderful beans from Deseret Industries that mom would cook for hours and hours and we would dine on for days afterward. Powdered milk and big hard blocks of cheese that I could never cut to eat, and NO SNACKING. A stolen bowl of generic cereal would earn you a swift smack. There was never, ever, enough."

"How fucking ridiculous and irresponsible can two people be to bring children, count 'em FIVE children, into the world that they had no way of supporting? Even sicker is the fact that there are many "good" Mormon families out there just like mine."

"I agree with Fallen on her point, and I believe this "the Lord will provide" mentality and the reality of an oversized family absolutely winds up as abuse, indirect or not, to the children."

http://www.exmormons.faithweb.com/1999/large_families.html


 * This point only weakens your argument.


 * You'll need to do a lot more than just allege that it weakens my argument. I, frankly, don't see how it does at all.  It's the account of a former Mormon complaining about the large blocks of cheese typical of his household.


 * So some poor family stocked large blocks of cheese. That's such a Mormon thing.

Idaho state commendation of the creators of the film. This seems worth putting somewhere.

1                              A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 2   STATING LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND COMMENDING JARED AND  JERUSHA  HESS  AND  THE 3       CITY OF PRESTON FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE MOVIE "NAPOLEON DYNAMITE."

BenFrantzDale 02:27, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

"Controversial" timeframe
Who in the world "contests" the time setting of the movie? There would be too many anachronisms for it to be any time but the present. Obviously, Preston is very culturally backward, but I think there were enough incontrovertible elements in the movie that the theory that it took place in the past is not really reasonable. The only evidence given in the article is the '70s clothing and an old VCR, but there is a mountain of evidence supporting the fact that the movie takes place in a contemporary setting, including not least of all, the ID card that says 2004-2005! Is there anyone here who actually believes the movie is supposed to have taken place in the past? Nohat 08:10, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the town's probebly just really backwards. The cooler kids put on the Backstreet Boys, because they're more up to date than the rest of the school (Obviously not, that up to date). And Napoleon Got the Jamiroquai tape off La Fawnda--Richy 13:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

The movie is set in 2004, just to clear up any confusion.

The Jamiroquai song came out in 2000, so it wouldn't allude to the 90s.

Additionally, Rico played Football "back in '82" so it can't be in the 70's

if anybody has ever been to a thrift store, it's practically a time capsule. i'm speakin from firsthand experience. old brown machines with fake wood panels, which was the style of the time...

Not to mention the fact that Kip is on the internet all the time...

I'm sure I've read critics who say the ambiguity of the film's temporal setting is a feature... so for example, whilst Kip spends his days online, none of the teens in the film appears to have a mobile phone. in the Plot part of this article, the statement "The film has a loose chronological order but time is not signified at any point" is perhaps not accurate..... the precise time of day is a significant element on the evening of Napoleon's date and marathon run towards the prom, and is indicated on the clock of his uncle's Dodge, and the cause-and-effect element of the main narrative depends on the straightforward presentation of the story in chronological order. The plot is in fact linear as far as I can make out... the Time Machine having succeeded only in torturing Rico and Napoleon's delicate parts.... except for Pedro's flashback, which merely illustrates his story of why he shaved his head. I think. But I'm open to other POVs ;) High Heels on Wet Pavement 19:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

As someone who lived in the rural intermountain west between the ages of 10 and 20, I can tell you that culture is going to be anywhere between 2 to 4 years behind. Just because the setting is a high school doesn't mean that things are going to be current. I think this section about time controversies should be revised. Obviously written by someone who doesn't know the aesthetic.

Delicious Bass
Napoleon did fish for that delicious bass, and not in the freezer. In a deleted scene on the DVD he first runs away from the kickball game in a really boring montage and then goes fishing, presumably for the delicious bass. Bonus Onus 03:08, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

I've seen that, too. Funfair15 8:03pm June 30 2007 (UTC)

Colonia Juarez
Pedro and his family are never specifically mentioned in the movie as coming from Colonia Juarez. The prinicpal says he's from Juarez, but he and his family are obviously Catholics. Any thoughts? Gws57 July 1, 2005 14:02 (UTC)

Pedro and his family ARE from Juarez. The principle said so, and the movie is not meant to be over-evaluated. It's a simple movie, so I take it simply. You should do the same.

How did you disguise your edit?
Someone changed the picture of the dvd to some stupid photoshop edit, and the history won't tell me what user did it.
 * Do you mean this edit? It was fixed within hours; the image is fine now and has been for a while. Everyking 05:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that one, I fixed it.

Asperger's Syndrome?
The reference to Asperger's Syndrome seems out of place -- especially in the introduction. There's nothing in the film or the filmmakers comments that refers to it. I'd suggest deleting it or at least removing it from the intro. --Jeremy Butler 13:32, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there can't be a reference to AS in the article as it would be personal opinion and un-encyclopaedic. That said, I went to see the film with two friends of mine, both in their 20’s and both with High Functioning Autism -its is usually more pronounced then Asperger's Syndrome. Both didn’t speak until they were 3-4 years old and were classically autistic as a children. One guy is Napoleon Dynamite, the other, you won’t know, he’s just quiet. Well, 'Napoleon Dynamite' turned to me during the film and said they were exaggerating Asperger's Syndrome. We didn’t find it offensive, it seemed to be from the Nerd’s perspective, but we would have liked to see a more positive ending --Diamond Dave 02/02/2006 21:45UTC


 * more positive? the ending seems pretty positive to me. --Nathew 10:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Um HELOOO the ending WAS positive!!! Lufonda and Kip got married and rode off into the sunset!

Bill Gates & Napoleon Dynamite short film
anybody have all the details on the film shown at the developer's conference starring Bill Gates and Napoleon? It's circulating the net and there is no doubt about it's authenticity

and Pedro's bewilderment at being reprimanded for practicing a "Mexican tradition".
What does that refer to - placing a cake on someone's doorstep? - is that a Mormon tradition? cda 17:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, you Freakin Idiot! The Republican 00:48, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

~ The pinata. .."I don't understand.. in Mexico, we do that all the time.."


 * Actually, according to the DVD commentary, young men in Idaho & Utah make something (in Pedro's case,a cake) for a girl they want to go out with.4.225.215.19 23:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually the tradition he was bewildered at for being reprimanded for was making a pinata that looks like a real person. (He made one that looked like summer wheatley) 3 April 2007

Line about merchandise
A line in the "Cultural Effect" section begins, "Although the only official movie merchandise is the DVD..." Though that may have been true once, it's obviously no longer correct, with a line of McFarlane Toys action figures and plenty of other stuff. I suggest that this part be rewritten. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 21:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

A criticisms section.
This article seems mostly speaking of the popularity of the movie, but from what I've seen, people are split down the middle on whether is is good or horrible. A "criticisms" or "common Criticisms" section might be of use.

I agree; not much is said about how the movie is seen as Mormon propaganda by some and seen as unfunny by many many others.


 * I don't see how it's Mormon propaganda. I wouldn't have known they were Mormons if it weren't for interviews with some of the cast. The "Mormon" qualities mentioned are either brief or could apply to anyone. The use of "gosh" and "heck" is something I do, it's also in many conservative communities. Not wearing shorts to school in a cooler climate is just sensible. The problems I had is that several of the main characters, including the title character, are just really annoying and the story never amounts to anything.--T. Anthony 10:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You either love it or hate it. I love it. Funfair15 8:02pm June 30 2007 (UTC) haha GO FUNFAIR!! YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RITE! PLUS I LOVE IT 2...LOL

This is the worst piece of shit movie I have ever seen,-UM EXCUSE ME??? YEAH WE DONT USE LANGUAGE LIKE THAT. SO IM GONNA DESTROY YOUR PAGE. NOT F**** URE PAGE. JUST DESTROY IT. this page needs a critisism section, one what's 4/6s of the entire article currently. I demand a cleansing of all the actors in this movie. One more thing, this movie is so fucking awful I fucking destroyed the DVDs. Supersonicjim 17:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I never saw it because it looked stupid but I can't figure out what the hell the idiots in the above few paragraphs are saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.253.68 (talk) 04:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
"The extra scene at the end of the movie was actually included in the theatrical release of the film, not just on the DVD. It cost half as much to film the single extra scene than it did to film the rest of the movie. (Which is 200,000 dollars.)"

This doesn't seem to make much sense. Can anyone clear this up? 203.51.195.81 15:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Userbox
Chernicky 19:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Napoleon Dynamite is AMAZINGLY HILARIOUS!!

Brilliant! i'll be using this! MichaelKeefe 00:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Large Fee?
"He is an ex-ultimate fighter and charges a large fee for his services ($300 for an 8-week program)."

Is $300 for an 8-week program expensive? It's a fairly standard cost for a beginners' martial arts program in Tokyo... Don't know about the USA. That said, that's for a real martial art, not "Rex Kwon Do"... --awh (Talk) 11:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

After reading some of the discussion I'm removing the references to Asperger's syndrome from the article. It has nothing to do with the movie, isn't really appropriate for an encyclopedia article on the movie, and any "diagnosing" of movie characters should probably be done elsewhere.

Review from The Onion
The following is worrying
 * Keith Phipps of The Onion A.V. Club states "a seemingly ill-considered run for class president that provides Napoleon Dynamite's only semblance of a plot. It also allows the film to score some unearned points by taking a stand against the inevitable, dull tyranny of the popular kids. If this didn't seem so much like a film made to make those same kids bust a gut laughing at nerds, the ploy might even have worked."

The Onion is a satrical website. This section should probably go and be replaced with a real review IMHO. --Midnighttonight 03:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The Onion is a satirical website, but the Onion A.V. Club isn't satire. The AV Club publishes standard reviews of pop culture. Ashmoo

Trivia Section
The trivia section is bloated and should be cut down to the most important and shocking information. For example, must we know that an actor's hair isn't red? The size of the section makes it unreadable and frankly at odds with the spirit of Wikipedia. SteelyDave 03:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I, for one, love reading the Napoleon trivia. Why would those who don't enjoy reading it even bother? Reducing the Trivia section effectively reduces the enjoyability and integrity of the article. If you're reading this, you're either reading this for some sort of research purposes (in which case, you have a plethora of trivia to choose from, if needed-- or can be skipped past if you don't), or-- you're reading it just for fun because you like the movie. In that case, I think the reader would enjoy reading each trivia entry. Wikipedia is not entirely about brevity. I would agree if this were some article of great import, such as cancer research, but for Napoleon Dynamite? The trivia's half the fun of reading the article in the first place. --ClintFord 20:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It has been stated on the Napolean Dynamite DVD that Aaron Ruell who plays kip was the one who designed the open sequence. Not by Pablo Ferro. I have tried fixing this facutal error but it has been changed back. But it should be fixed for the sack of accurace of Wikipedia.
 * I agree with SteelyDave. I definitely think it's too long, should be trimmed by about 60% IMO.--Anchoress 22:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've got to agree with SteelyDave. I think it's hurting the integrity of the article to post the most insignificant minutiae about things one could pick up on from simply watching the movie. I went ahead and cleared out the most inconsequential items, but think it could do with a bit more trimming. El Cid 22:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So is this a true story since Jon Heder seemed to have two or three movies after this that seemed to be the same character? Is he a retard in real life?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.253.68 (talk) 04:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

College
Why does 'your mom goes to college' redirect me here when the article doesn't even mention it (even if it's a catchphrase from the movie)?

If the article is lacking the information, it should be added. Want to? 66.248.98.179 19:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Napoleon Dynamite-dance in the World of Warcraft
Seems that Blizzard has decided to give Napoleon's dance to the new WoW-race, the Blood Elves. Perhaps we should add a small note about it in the trivia? Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJED0DUOLg&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b - 83.108.98.77 14:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Greek mythology
WP:NOR, WP:VERIFY, and WP:CITE. --Kbh3rd talk 00:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, and I'll keep removing it. Wikipedia is not an open forum to discuss your movie interpretations Mr. Wood. Dschroder 05:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Character names
It's LaFawnduh, not Lafonda. Also, where did the "(Kyle)" in Uncle Rico come from? --Nathew 10:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Is that not just her screen name? --Aaadddaaammm 03:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I always thought it was because Kip was just a horrible speller. Her name is only seen in the movie on signs that Kip designed. Stonemason89 (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Repo Man
In Repo Man, the nerd character's name is Kevin. A competing hispanic repo man is named Napolean, so I'm not sure where the thing about Alex Cox comes from69.33.101.98 21:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Song
Which one of those songs from the Soundtrack List is the song that is played at the end of the film? It is kind of Bluegrass-esque if I recall. And Jon Heder is walking around and other stuff happens and all is kind of tied up at the end. Anyone? TommyBoy76 22:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Rampant vandalism in the plot summary and character sections 10/3.

What the deuce happened to the "plot" section?

This: "The movie is a story of a modern-life anti-heroic high school boy. Arugably the worst movie ever, this movie does not deserve the Bravo's Top 100 movies at all, let alone spot 14. By no fault of his own, Jon Heder played the role perfectly, its just that the story had no plot and nothing funny about it. Without a doubt, your half-blind grandmother could have made a better movie than this! If you see this movie anywhere, either on sale, or rentable do everyone a favor and smash it to pieces." is not a plot section. This entire thing needs to be scrapped and restored to what it was last time I visited this page,

I'm very new to Wikipedia, and don't know how to restore it to whatever the previous edit was, but if someone else could do this, it would be greatly appreciated. --Lady Voldything 20:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by 217.33.203.18
Wikipedians are advised that 217.33.203.18 vandalised the article on 19JUL2006.

72.82.168.208 06:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Vote for Pedro
No mention of Vote for Pedro (even though that phrase redirect here), except in the trivia section, mentioning other places that phrase has been used - but no reference to it in the context of the movie. Someone who had not seen the movie would wonder what is Vote for Pedro. - Matthew238 06:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This could be useful in the article. I'll be sure to add it sometime soon, when I have time. -- Soccer 5525  ( Tk  •  Ctrb ) 21:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Character Summaries
In the character summaries, where does some of the more detailed info originate, i.e. the bit about Pedro hopping the border in 1989(?)? There should be citations if the info is not found in the movie. --scienceman 03:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Compulsive liar
At least one editor thought that the inclusion of this term is unfair or unverifiable, but I've found many reviews of the film that describe the character of Napoleon Dynamite using this term. I would like to know what others think of Napoleon's casually delivered falsehoods and whether this term applies.... --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 11:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did not quite say that. I refered to the verifiability policy being needed to have the term but did not imply in any way that it was "unfair or unverifiable". A few references for the term are sufficient to reply to my edit summary. Ans e ll  23:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Anachronisms
The article has a large section dedicated to this. Surely the "retro" objects and cultural references are not anachronisms. As the article states:

"Napoleon's school ID card, as shown in the opening credits, clearly reads "2004/2005," unambiguously setting the movie in the present-day, despite the film's abundance of clues implying otherwise."

After reading Anachronisms It's clear that an anachronism might be for example; in the film "Gladiator" a character using a digital camera.

Slight re-write or edit suggested as the term "anachronism" contradicts the above quote from the article. Robmurphy 11:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
I don't want my disagreement with User:Suoerh2 over how much trivia belongs in this article to escalate into a silly edit war, so I wanted to solicit some other editors' opinions. My position is that Wikipedia guidelines make it clear that long trivia sections are not appropriate (see Avoid trivia sections in articles and WP:NOT). If we must leave the Trivia section in the article, the list should be brief, and the items therein should be verifiable. I would love to hear what the rest of you think.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 23:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The trivia section is indeed out of hand. I took a whack at it a while ago and it's still pretty bloated. I think a large obsticle is that a lot of the trivia doesn't seem to be able to be integrated into the present sections as they stand now. However, I'm not sure what ecyclopedic sections could be created with enough information besides, perhaps, the film's effect on the region. There's also some info that would more likely be relevent to actor or crew pages. El Cid 23:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandals
Wikipedians are advised that IP 63.206.125.100 is NOT responsible for latest vandal attempt. Reverted to previous correction by AntiVandalBot. Trodaikid1983 20:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, i have to call bullshit on this. I fixed a few things i saw that the vandals did, like took out "so called movie" and something else. and i'm getting tagged as the vandal? (there, this prompted me to finally register. so you have a name to go on.)


 * First of all, thank you for registering. Secondly, I apologize for labeling you as a vandal. However, the IP addresses never enter any kind of summary of changes, and I deduced the edits were done by the last IP address. I find it very unbelievable that any edits you would have done would've missed the cost of filming, and other immature comments. I have reverted the vandal comment; in the future please summarize your edits. Trodaikid1983 23:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw the "so called" film thing, and then the "Although not primarily a plot-driven film" had something like "not a good or plot driven film." past that i saw that there was far more vandalism than i was willing to deal with, and as i'm learning the ropes i just waited for someone else to revert it. I don't really care what you find unbelievable.

Locations
Does anyone know the Location of his house in the movie? I know it's supposed to be in Preston, Idaho, but where at? I want to go there! --Cngodles 14:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism from 81.101.145.104
The section regarding characters has been vandalized in this way "is a stereotypical perv who enjoys oral sex moves such as performing the kama sutra to his own creatures such as ligers" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.47.96.207 (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Geek or Nerd?
I personaly would define Napoleon a nerd rather than a geek. I was just wondering if I was the only one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hellais (talk • contribs) 16:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Nerds and Geeks are smart. He's more of a dork o'r a dweeb. But I dont think it makes much of a difference anyhow


 * Agree with the above comment. The intelligence scale goes like this: geeks, nerds, dorks, dweebs, and then perhaps retards.  I would say that Napoleon Dynamite is either a dweeb or a retard, but perhaps he needs his own special little category. -- itistoday (Talk) 17:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that nerds are the smartest out of all those terms. I mean, if you know about a lot a certain subject, such as computers, people could call you a computer nerd. That doesn't nessacarily mean you're an outcast. I'd describe Napoleon as a dork, because then it means he's an outcast, but he's smart too. I wouldn't call him a retard though, because then it almost seems like he has a disability or a major social problem. Napoleon is a strange teenager, but not in abnormal way. -- Soccer 5525  ( Tk  •  Ctrb ) 21:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Text Size?
Is it just my computer, or is the text size this this article very small? It makes me not want to read it. *shrug* • 24.36.65.199 03:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Idaho Culture (background section)
Having lived a short time in South eastern Idaho I learned quickly that SE Idaho is very much behind the times. The movie plays on this with the music and the dress. People tend to dress very conservatively and "farmer" like. (1999) A friend of mine had a Brown polyester suit he wore in the heavily Mormonish area of southeastern Idaho and it was well received. Anyway, this is why the movie plays on the 1980's/1970's era music and clothes. Most people consider SE Idaho at least a decade behind the rest of the world. -BC 2/14/2006-

LaFawnduh
Is there any source that her username was LaFawnDuh because that is how Kip spelled it on the cardboard? Maybe he just didn't know how to spell her name. I think it should be removed until we have confirmed that this isn't the case. Supergeeky1 20:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

She's Lafawnduh on the movie credits, which spoils the potential joke, but there you go! :) High Heels on Wet Pavement 19:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

O and it was spelt and capitalised a little wrongly in the article so I've changed it. High Heels on Wet Pavement 19:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It was spelled incorrectly. It supposed to be spelled LaFawnduh not LaFawnDuh...I have changed it. Noliandynamite (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism (revisited)
I suspect this article has always been prone to vandalism, but recently that trend seems to have increased. Though I'm loathed to suggest it, perhaps it needs to be write-protected for a while. If it's already partially protected, maybe ramp it up to the next level. --Careax 08:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia: Is Tina the Dolly Llama, or the Dolly Alpaca?
Does anyone know for sure if Tina is an alpaca, as stated in the trivia section? In numerous interviews with director / co-writer Jared Hess, he always refers to it as a llama. It belongs to his mother, who named it Dolly as a play on words: "Dolly llama," "Dalai Lama"  The play on words is completely missed in the entry in the trivia section, making it seem more like useless information.

Reference: see article written by Daniel Robert Epstein on Screen Writer's Utopia, http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2705

--StoneCrusher1 24 March 2007

Numerous errors in the “Plot” section
"after Pedro fails in asking the 'it' girl Summer Wheatley to go with him (by leaving a cake on her doorstep with 'Pedro loves Summer' written on it), he instead asks Deborah"

- no, Pedro tells Napoleon that he “also” asked Deb in the same conversation where Napoleon informs Pedro that Summer has said no.

"Uncle Rico also affects Kip's life by involving him in his business ventures, thereby enabling Kip to get enough money to get his cyber-girlfriend to come and visit him with huge, but positive, consequences (see below). Napoleon is driven to anger by this final act on Uncle Rico's part and attempts to kick him out of the house."

- No, Napoleon’s attempt to get Uncle Rico to leave follows *immediately* after getting off the phone with Deb where Rico’s herbal supplement deception is revealed.

"Pedro makes a short monotone speech, promising more worthwhile but less exciting things"

Pedro wants “holy santos” (saints’ images) in the hallways to guard them. He also wants more FFA (farm association) functions. I leave it to you to decide whether these are “worthwhile”.

"The life of Kip, Napoleon's older brother, is one where he seems timid."

Honestly, is there someone who feels like re-writing this whole section? Its just badly, awkwardly written.

- OK.. I have taken a stab at rewriting the plot and shrunk the character notes. I think it's a bit more concise and contains more relevent events and plotlines. Feel free to add your thoughts. Still feel that the "Setting" and "Reference in Other Works" sections contain too much information and some of it is pretty tenuous.--beerni 09:57 31-July 2008 (GMT)

Remerging the trivia article with this one
A few days ago I proposed that we merge the trivia article back with this one, but I haven't gotten ar response yet. Could someone please leave a message on the talk page discussion telling me what they think?

It just seems odd to have a separate article for the trivia, especially when most of the trivia points are either pretty insignificant or points that could easily be integrated into the rest of the main article (i.e., awards). --DearPrudence 20:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The tense of this article is not suitable for an encyclopaedia.
What exactly is an "encyclopaedia"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.199.85 (talk • contribs)


 * What do you mean? If you're just referring to the spelling, "encyclopaedia" is the non-American spelling of "encyclopedia". --DearPrudence 18:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia - Jon Gries Vegetarian
I added information from a radio interview with Jon Gries I heard this morning. Should I add anything to the references or footnotes? Elmorth 13:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't matter if you add it or not, but it would help expand the article. It wouldn't hurt to add it. -- Soccer 5525  ( Tk  •  Ctrb ) 21:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Youtube Links
There are some youtube links in "References in other works". Should I remove them? Tell me on my D.P. Codelyoko193 12:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

flippin' cold
"In Rogers, Minnesota, Budweiser beer has a billboard with icicles and upside-down beer cans. The billboard says, “It’s flippin’ cold!"" -- The same billboard is here, in Greeley, CO. But I don't know where else, so I wouldn't know how to re-word that. --Buddy13 01:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is this even listed? The adjective 'flippin' is not unique to the ND film, and predates that movie in many other works, including regularly on the animated FOX program 'Family Guy.'   There is no evidence that this is an ND reference.

TV-14
Why? I've seen TV-G rated episodes of The Simpsons that are rore inappropriate than this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Mess edit
Sorry, my mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LunaVorax (talk • contribs) 20:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Math
"The film's total domestic gross was US$44.5 million.[1] Considering its budget of US$400,000, Napoleon Dynamite was a success, grossing over ten times its production cost."

400,000 x 10 = 4 million. If this movie grossed 44.5 mill, it made over 100 times its budget. 24.97.17.3 (talk) 00:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Another trivia tag
I tagged the Settings section with as trivia because, as the section progresses, that's all it becomes. Ashley {talkback} 01:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Gross Revenue?
MatchesMalone (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC) 158 million plus listed here, however, Box Office Mojo has domestic and foreign listed at closer to $46 million worldwide, so, I'm wondering where that data came from.

Music For a Found Harmonium
On the soundtrack listing it implies that this track is composed by Patrick Street. Even the link to his page doesn't reference the fact that this track is actually composed by Simon Jeffes as part of the Penguin Cafe Orchestra. I will change this to - by Simon Jeffes (performed by Patrick Street).Calindreams (talk) 13:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Racism
Who is the "many" that found the racism unacceptable? Very generalized statement that seems more of an opinion than a fact. I am with the other editor who stated either one likes or dislikes the movie.

Reaction section
Thius section seems slightly POV. How can 1 and a half stars be 'scathing'? And why would you compare Ebert's scre with the people who vote on his site? It says that the film's unconventional humour is largley what diveides opinion, which seems to infer that if you don't like it you don't get it. I'm sure for those who criticized the film it was for lots of reasons apart from it's 'unconventional humour'. I'll begin to edit it as best I canCalindreams (talk) 09:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Peluca
The original movie was called "peluca", which is an afro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.49.214 (talk) 01:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, peluca is Spanish for wig. 76.95.40.6 (talk) 03:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't it also refer to public hair? Stonemason89 (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Picture of Girl in the PE scene
I will state that there was a small error in the movie... In the PE scene when Napoleon hands Pedro a picture of a famous popstar, Pedro states that he "likes her bangs" but when the camera shows a shot of the picture, the woman has no bangs -- in fact, in the shot, there is nothing on her forehead. In fact, it is plain with no bangs. Noliandynamite (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought he said "I like her face"... Tezzrexx (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: References
Perhaps it's the wording of these specific references -


 * In October 2009 Michael Kafes displayed a re-enactment of the famous passionate, energetic dance routine, which wins a standing ovation from the school audience in New York at 'Swing 46' a Jazz and Supper club
 * Clinton Portis of the Washington Redskins dressed up as Napoleon Dynamite during 2005 and a costume phase.

(ie. what's a  'costume phase' ?) - but they dont seem very notable. Could someone please explain or clarify their significance? --K10wnsta (talk) 23:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

why no reference to Trisha or the actress Emily Dunn?
Actress Emily Dunn is not referenced in the article nor is her character Trisha, Napolean's original date for the dance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.186.2 (talk) 07:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)