Talk:Napoleonic Wars casualties

Might be a good idea to model it after the World War II casualties and World War I casualties entries. Tfine80 29 June 2005 03:38 (UTC)

Good idea. And how about population comparisons between Napoleonic and the World Wars as well? E.g. France lost 1m (3.7%) out of a population of 29.4m in the Napoleonic Wars, compared with 1.4m (3.4%) out of 41.4m in 1911, and 562k (1.35%) out of 41.5m in 1936 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties), and given that Napoleonic Wars casualty estimates are somewhat conservative, and if this follows for all nations, it could mean that the Napoleonic Wars actually wrought more devastation than WWI and possibly even WWII in terms of cost in human lives. Although Germany suffered some 17% in WWII (10m of 60m [?]). Admittedly the Napoleonic Wars were more protracted (12 years vs. 4 years vs. 5 years), but then the weaponry was far less advanced in the 1800's. This in turn demonstrates the efficiency of industrialised warfare in WWI and WWII, since almost as many people were killed in each respective conflict, in a third of the time or less. In addition, it shows the effect on the populations of the combatants involved. Relational perspective, in other words.

germany has 70m in 1939 (without austria) http://www.bpb.de/files/4629I6.pdf

Grant 02 March 2006 23.00 GMT

German dead
It's not correct to summarize the German dead under "Contries against the French Empire". A high percentage of German states have been for a long time (some also all time) allies of Napoleon and suffered a high number of dead soldiers. For example Confederation of the Rhine. Saxony for example lost a third of it's territory

after the war for that reason. Thatswhy the number of the French is maybe much to high because it includes many Germans or the number of dead Germans "against the French Empire" is much to high or even both. Also this list not shows the fact, that the French not fought alone the most time and had some more or less importend allies.

The Rheinbund has to do what Napoleon want to, as the Vichy-regime in France 1940-44.

What about Portugal?
According to Simao Jose da Luz Soriano's Historia da Guerra Civil....Guerra da Peninsula, Vol. 3 (Lisbon 1874)the total number of Portuguese dead and missing civilians came to a staggering 200,000. The French treatment of non combatants in the Iberian peninsula, particularly in Portugal, was nothing less than wholesale and indescriminate murder. Napoleon himself was angered by this shameful behavior which he rightly concluded as the reason why his forces encountered such fierce resistence among the general populace.

The Article
This article has great potential it would help to have pictures/paintings, redirections from your references to accurate websites or books and such.--LORDoliver † (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

311,806 British?
311,806 British dead or missing

I wonder how many of the 'British' soldiers mentioned here were in fact Irish? Inchiquin (talk) 06:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess, as usual, the majority of the British dead or missing were Irish, Scottish or Welsh... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.206.184.121 (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect the majority were English with significant Irish, Welsh etc. personnel, but at the time they were all sun=bjects of the British Empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.100.79 (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Definition of casualties
This page should either be renamed as "Napoleonic Wars fatalities" or data should be added for other casualties: injuries, displacements, incarcerations, etc. Casualty does not mean death. 68.164.39.34 (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Russian losses
Source? --68.209.227.3 (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Spanish losses
According to this demographic study, p.8 http://www.uclm.es/ab/humanidades/profesores/descarga/manuel_ortiz/crisisregimen.pdf, the number of Spanish deaths among 1809-1813, this means not counting 1808, neither 1814, goes to 586,281 people. This number is based on the excess of deaths in comparation to the period 1787-1807.--Bentaguayre (talk) 00:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Philo figures
Should we strip out the Tom Philo figures? It's already marked unreliable, and yet the numbers are given a lot of precedence in the current article, over and above more reliably cited figures... And he doesn't cover the same period as everyone else, either. I'll be bold and make an attempt to minimise them at least. Fangz (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)