Talk:Naraka (Jainism)

Conversion Sagropama to Years
I do have concerns about this. According to Jain texts, Sagaropama is (Ocean-measured Years) is innumerable and immeasurable). What is your basis of arriving at the years?--Indian Chronicles (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

This site Below gives the Length of a Palyopama at about 10^194 Years. Using this figure we can get a Figure of 10^210 Years for a Sagropoma. Since a Sagropoma is this much larger than a Palyopama. http://www.jaine.org/Science/General%20Science/article_210.php. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.168.32 (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But 10^194 Years is Sirsapahelika. Sirsapahelika is the highest measurable number in Jainism. Palyopama is countless. Pls see the article again. According to it, A hollow pit of 8 x 8 x 8 miles tightly filled with hair particles of seven day old newly born. [A single hair form the above cut into eight pieces seven times = 20,97,152 Particles]. 1 Particle emptied after every 100 years, the time taken to empty the whole pit = 1 Palyopama. (1 Palyopama = countless years.)--Indian Chronicles  (talk) 14:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay. Is there anyway to figure out how large a Palyopama is? I feel that this article would be much better if we could define the length of a Palyopama, because if it isn't defined, people have no idea how long the lengths really are, because the article only says that the lenghths are measured in billions of years but if a Palyopama is more than 10^194 years, is it possible to calculate how large a Palyopama is or could it just be noted that 1 Palyopama is larger than 10^194 years? I feel that it would benefit the article if a precise number for the Palyopama could be calculated based on the analogy of the hair in the pit. Thank you for your time and effort.99.104.168.32 (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You are right. If we could define palyopama (lit. pit measured years) in precise terms it would great. But unfortunately in Jain literature it is mentioned as countless or innumerable with an analogy of pit. For clarity's sake we can mention as a note that this number is higher than 10^194 years. But Thanks for starting the debate.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 04:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Assuming the volume of a babies hair at 1/100th of a mm^3, based on the analogy of the hair in the pit a Palyopama could be calculated to be between 10^31 and 10^32 years. The Proffesor (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I Added the source, and I also gave the stay of the Narka to over 10^210 Years. Since we know a Palyopama is over 10^194 Years and a Sagrapoma is 10 Quadrillion Palyopama, that means a Sagrapoma is more than 10^210 Years. Since 10^194 times 10 Quadrillion is 10^210 and a Palyopama i more than 10^194, it is therefore known that a Sagropama which is 10 Quadrillion times a Palyopama must be more than 10^210 Years. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this thanks.99.104.168.32 (talk) 07:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have added an explanation as a note which will give more clarity in the matter. I am sticking to the traditional words of Sagaropama as used in Jain texts and as used by scholars. I trust this will meet your approval.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)