Talk:Narcissistic personality disorder

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Interesting new study suggests grandiose narcs are psychopaths and vulnerable narcs hide low self-esteem
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886921001550

Here is an extract of the discussion which disproves claims linking to grandioe type to psychopaths.

"Here, we show a strong correlation between FLEX - a component of PRISN - and narcissism. This correlation is surprising as it is born of insecurities and is not better explained by socially desirable behavior. It suggests that narcissism is better understood as a compensatory adaptation to overcome and cover up negative self-worth, instead of genuine grandiosity and grandeur. The overall pattern of our results supports this interpretation, as guilt is evoked differentially by moral dilemmas – individuals scoring high on measures of psychopathy exhibit low guilt whereas insecure individuals exhibit high guilt."

Article on Psychology Today concerning the study:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mindful-self-express/202103/are-narcissists-actually-covering-insecurity

Psychology Today is pop psychology.

Merger discussion malignant narcissism
Like "Vulnerable narcissism", Malignant narcissism is a another subtype of NPD that is can be covered in the context of a discussion about all of the proposed substypes ( Narcissistic personality disorder ). There is not a lot in the clinical literature about malignant narcissism and the current article (15 years old and 1,500 edits) says very little about it. The article is mostly fluff. Wiki-psyc (talk) 13:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Wiki-psyc, I actually thought of adding "malignant narcissism" to the german wikipedia, as an individual article. There are not very many scientific articels about it, however as it is a combination of "normal" narcissism with aspects of additional personality disorders, such as the Antisocial personality disorder, but also Borderline personality disorder (as this article suggests: https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/492228) and Psychopathy or a Sadistic personality disorder (as suggested here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20856182/) I would advocate for improving the article instead of merging it. Llydia (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback! As you say, there is little in the literature on Malignant narcissism and even one of the pilot-studies you cite characterizes itself as an "exploratory study sought to develop..." Improving the article would be great but it just might be that Wikipedia is getting ahead of the science. There are 40 articles mentioning Malignant narcissism with virtually no content. | See list It's an impressive name that creates a vivid visual, but what is there to write about it in 2021? Wiki-psyc (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Shelve this for later. I don't think we can actually assess what should and shouldn't be a WP:SPINOFF because of current state of the NPD article. It's a mess. This article should at least be comprehensible to a reader before we continue this. --Xurizuri (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair statement. Wiki-psyc (talk) 03:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I would like to pitch in that very few articles discuss the *subjective* experience of dealing with a narcissist, and this one actually does. NPDs are destructive to everyone around them and for the layperson there is very little clear information on how narcissists cause harm to families and organizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenkstom (talk • contribs) 22:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Why are we citing a reddit user?
Even though there is a news article that references it, it doesn't seem to fit WP: Identifying reliable sources (medicine). Yoshimatu (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Remove it then WP:BOLD LinuxNCats (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Types
The article is very confusing in the discussion of types. Grandiose and exhibitionist narcissists are the same. Closet, vulnerable, and covert subtypes all refer to "vulnerable" narcissists, which is the current term researchers use. What is missing, which I will add is the new subtype: Communal narcissist. Dalancer (talk) 17:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

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The DSMV-TR Dimensional approach
Please take note of the addition of a dimensional approach (section III) to the categorical approach (Section II) in the DSMV-TR below

https://www.mredscircleoftrust.com/storage/app/media/DSM%205%20TR.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaving Neveland (talk • contribs) 12:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Role of shame and/or worthlessness in NPD needs to be clarified.
The role of self-esteem in NPD is highly contentious, but it's misleading to present NPD as being marked by feelings of worthlessness, self-loathing, or low self-esteem. It's diagnosed according to a set of symptoms which have nothing to do with these traits. The clinical definition should be emphasized above isolated studies and hypotheses, since these frequently contradict each other. 2603:7081:1603:A300:8448:8888:CC8F:BC90 (talk) 02:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for raising this point. I have clarified the bit which was flagged, but the Signs and Symptoms section does need to lead with the current diagnostic criteria. Contributions from a subject matter expert would be ideal. HussainHx (talk) 02:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Comparison with MPD is completely off
In the last topic of the history section, NPD is compared to BPD and MPD. The last paragraph discusses how NPD 'shares some commonality with the now discredited "multiple personality disorder" (MPD)...'. This discussion seems to be uncited and is also factually incorrect as MPD has not been discredited, it has been renamed Dissociative Identity Disorder, and DID is currently very popular on TikTok. I looked through the history of the article and it was added in this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Narcissistic_personality_disorder&oldid=1116919357. The article cited backs up the point about narcissistic traits not necessarily being on the increase but from what I can see makes no discussion of any relation between NPD and MPD. I am not a frequent editor so I don't want to just remove an entire paragraph without discussing it but thought this should be discussed at least. Qwerty11235813 (talk) 12:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)