Talk:Narcissus (plant)/Archive 1

requested move
Personally, I'm not sure the move is needed, but Stevertigo brought it to Requested Moves, so I figured it should be talked about here. There's bad links in Whatlinkshere from both of them (here and here), but Narcissus (disambiguation) makes a good case for moving both into their disambiguated versions, and making that the Narcissus page. What do other people think? -- nae'blis (talk) 04:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 12:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Daffodil into Narcissus (flower)
I am seriously proposing that the article Daffodil should be merged into this article. The name "daffodil" is the English word of the Latin "narcissus". Other plant articles in Wikipedia are under their Latin names, with the English version being redirected to it. Dieter Simon 23:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * While I don't see any particular need Daffodils not to be included under this article, I disagree that The name "daffodil" is the English word of the Latin "narcissus". The name daffodil is an English name for certain species known in England and northwestern Europe. While many people apply it now to all Narcissus, some species such as the rush leaved jonquils are rarely called daffodils.


 * Also, is Narcissus a Latin name or a botanic name? Imc 11:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * While I don't mind linking Daffodil to Narcissus if all can be accompanied, doing the reverse I would find disruptive. As IMC explains, Daffodil can only apply to a local group, but genera are worldwide. Even in English "Angel's-tears" is not a Daffodil, and many species may not have an English name at all. Vigilius (talk) 11:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This thread should be archived. The merger occurred some while ago. Rivertorch (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Daffodil mutant
Hello! I've got a picture of a mutant daffodil I found on the side of the road. I wonder if you'd like it on this page? It's whats called "agamous", as in, its got no reproductive organs, just petals and sepals. Its my own picture I took this morning. Zsingaya 07:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This picture is now available on the The ABC Model of Flower Development page. Zsingaya 08:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Scientific classification
I've been looking at this article and there is one thing you could do to improve it. On the scientific classification please put the species. If you do not understand me please look on this article na don the article look at bthe scientific classification on the side. Thanks.--Pendotigers 09:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Name?
The article says that the "narcissus" part of the species name was derived from the Greek character Narcissus. But, whe you click on the link, "The poisonous qualities of Daffodils" at the bottom of the page, you see this:

"The botanical name of the genus, Narcissus, is considered to be derived, not as is often said, from the name of the classical youth who met with his death through vainly trying to embrace his image reflected in a clear stream, but from the Greek word narkao (to benumb), on account of the narcotic properties which the plant possesses. Pliny describes it as Narce narcissum dictum, non a fabuloso puero, 'named Narcissus from Narce, not from the fabulous boy.'"

(http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/n/narcis01.html)

Might someone confirm/fix this? Thanks. WiiWillieWiki 00:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes someone please adjust the derivation for the name. If this is not the case as Wii has said, please explain WHY the plant would be named after a vain Greek myth boy.

Classifications of Narcissus divisions
I am proposing that the twelve divisions of Narcissus, as identified by the American Daffodil Society, by laid out on the page: Narcissus (flower). I feel that would be a great way to get this page headed toward completion and validation. I am new around here, so forgive me if I am wrong in my suggestions, or approach. MidiMacMan 19:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Help needed with identifying a daffodil
Over at "John Parkinson (botanist)", it is stated that English botanist John Parkinson (1567–1650) was the first gardener in England to grow the "great double yellow Spanish daffodil". Is there any way to try and identify the species of daffodil referred to so that a more accurate Wikilink can be provided? The article also features a 17th-century woodcut of a double daffodil from one of Parkinson's books, but it is not known whether it shows the Spanish daffodil referred to in the article. Do respond at "Talk:John Parkinson (botanist)". Thanks. &mdash; Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The article name Narcissus (flower)
Would Narcissus (plant) not be a better name? Imc (talk) 09:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I did a quick check of several comparable articles: it's Iris (plant), Periwinkle (plant), and Cosmos (plant) but then again it's Hyacinth (flower) and Pink (flower). Consistency might be a good thing. Why do you think the (plant) disambiguation is better for Narcissus? I can think of arguments for both sides if we look at it WP-wide, but in the case of this article, "flower" seems more intuitive than "plant." I mean, all flowers are plants, but relatively few plants produce showy flowers. Rivertorch (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Gallery
The gallery is overdone. There are 29 images in there making it one of the largest galleries I have seen. Of these 29 images, 5 are labelled "Narcissus pseudonarcissus", when there is really only a need for one, Image:Narzisse.jpg which is a featured picture. There appears to be 4 or 5 "White Jonquil" images, again there is really only a need for one. Multiple images of the same thing are not helping the reader but just decorating the article. Image:DSC05466.JPG and Image:Narcis 2.JPG should be removed as the first contains a watermark and the second is slightly out of focus. If the gallery must be there then it needs work, some of the images have no names and none of them have anything beyond a name. I think it would be better to take some of the images and put them into the article (currently it only has two which is unusual), with a link to the Commons. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree that the gallery is overdone, not necessarily because it has too many images per se but because of the redundancy and the lack of precise captioning. Ideally, we'd have one image of a flower from each of the first twelve horticultural divisions, plus perhaps several images of flowers from divisions 12 and 13, which vary widely in appearance. Rivertorch (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd go along with that. One picture per species sounds fine to me. I reinstated the gallery only because it was removed for a rather strange reason. To take out the whole gallery so that visitors are forced to search for the photos in the Commons, doesn't sound a very good reason to me. Yes, good idea, whittle it down to one per species or variety is perfectly alright. Dieter Simon (talk) 22:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed those that were obviously redundant (Jonquil from various positions) and some with no species name at all. I left any that claimed a distinct species, and a couple that showed unusual looking varities within the same species, and one that seemed useful as it showed the flower from behind and the leaves. Without proper descriptions on the image pages, it is difficult so say which variations are actually different species, so some may bneed checking by an expert.YobMod 11:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to different species of narcissus (botanical classification), we should also be concerned with narcissus of different divisions (horticultural classification). Rivertorch (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Jonquil
The sentence about the term "jonquil" being used only in North America is erroneous. Here is the definition of the word from the OED:

jonquil /ˈdʒʌŋkwɪl♫, ˈdʒɒn-/♫

► noun a narcissus with clusters of small fragrant yellow flowers and cylindrical leaves, native to southern Europe and NE Africa. • Narcissus jonquilla, family Liliaceae (or Amaryllidaceae). etymology: early 17th cent.: from modern Latin jonquilla or French jonquille, from Spanish junquillo, diminutive of junco, fromLatin juncus ‘rush, reed’. O0drogue0o (talk) 17:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Compound in Daffodils Targets Brain Cancer
Compound in Daffodils Targets Brain Cancer:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101115612.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.141.253 (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)