Talk:Narendra Modi Stadium/Archive 1

Article name
Change the name of the article to: 'Sardar Patel Gujarat Cricket Stadium' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.196.80.6 (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Photos
Narendra Modi Stadium Now that the stadium is close to completion, we need images of how the stadium looks like now, as well as an image during the construction phase. Any help with the images will be appreciated. Nikhil (talk) 08:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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The article lacks the images of the newly developed stadium. Images of the interior and exterior that can be uploaded under the fair use policy are welcome. Any visitor to the stadium that has clear photographs of the venue and owns the work is requested to respond. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NikhilArela (talk • contribs) 14:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Name as per WP:COMMONNAME
The common and popularly understood name of this stadium is "Motera Stadium", as demonstrated at the 2020 Namaste Trump event. Thus, in line with WP:COMMONNAME (see Prayagraj as an example), the name used will be Motera Stadium, but Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel Stadium will ALSO be mentioned. Please do not unnecessarily edit this without coming here first. --✘ anonymousвهii 17:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021
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Narendrabhai Damodardas Modi Stadium
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 08:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (3)
Change every word of motera stadium to Narendra Modi stadium also near images motera stadium is shown and comparison with other stadium of world should be added Vbhati2050 (talk) 08:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌ Up until recently, it was called "Motera Stadium"- so the History section should use the name at the time of the event. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (4)
Change stadium capacity from 1,32,000 to 110,000 www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-india-56165699?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKA 81.132.163.133 (talk) 09:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed - Architects of the stadium Populous also have the stadium capacity listed as 110,000 Motera Cricket Stadium
 * The Hindu also has the stadium capacity listed as 110,000 The Hindu - All about Motera stadium, the largest cricket stadium in the world 151.133.1.78 (talk) 10:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * See below; a variety of recent sources are reporting two different figures. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ See below discussion on it, will be changed/not changed based on the consensus there. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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2409:4050:2E4D:89D:F4C1:2E61:19C5:D980 (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC) It has reliance end as well.
 * Please outline exactly what edit you would like made with sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Capacity (110,000 or 132,000) ?
Up until recently, the variety of reliable sources stated a capacity of 110,000 CNN, Al Jazeera. There seem to be more now that state a capacity of 132,000 India TV News NDTV Times of India; did that change during the remodel? It'd be nice to see a strong source that unequivocally states something like "during the remodel, the capacity was increased from 110 to 132 thousand." Strangely, one of the sources that states the 132 number sources it to the GCA (Gujarat Cricket Association), yet the GCA's own website uses the 110 number here. A few other sources in disagreement: US News & World Report says 132, whereas Telegraph UK says 110.OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/motera-cricket-stadium-in-ahmedabad-renamed-narendra-modi-stadium/article33922104.ece

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/pms-vision-to-build-largest-stadium-in-ahmedabad-amit-shah-as-motera-stadium-renamed-narendra-modi-stadium-101614158978611-amp.html

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AO1FE

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-02-24/india-renames-worlds-largest-cricket-stadium-after-pm-modi?context=amp

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cricket/14150917/narendra-modi-stadium-capacity-india-england/amp/

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/india-renames-worlds-largest-cricket-stadium-after-pm-modi-2021-02-24-0?amp

https://gulfnews.com/amp/sport/cricket/india-worlds-biggest-cricket-stadium-in-ahmedabad-renamed-after-pm-narendra-modi-1.1614162883404

Various sources say its a 132000 capacity stadium. This includes Reuters. So the capacity is 132000. sunny.......... 21:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)
 * Various other sources (noted above) say 110. The question is where these sources are getting those numbers from. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 22:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Various sources say its a 110000 capacity stadium. This includes Cricinfo. So the capacity is 110000. .................. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 23:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/ground/57851.html

Cricinfo says the capacity is 132000 so its 132000. sunny.......... 04:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1700614

Here is the official press release by the Government of India. It says 132000. This should settle any doubts.

sunny.......... 04:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

er... no. https://twitter.com/PIB_India/status/1364233170921484294

The capacity can't change after it's been built DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

This is the official website of PIB and thats the official press release.

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1700614

Thats more authentic than any tweet.

You also tried to say that Cricinfo says its 110000 but even the Cricinfo website says that its 132000.

The announced capacity after building and opening of the stadium is 132000.

This is confirmed by Reuters Cricinfo and the official press release of govt of India on the PIB website.

sunny.......... 10:14, 25 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)


 * The Cricinfo article states 110,000. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-2020-21-how-the-sardar-patel-stadium-at-motera-was-built-1252822
 * The article speaks of them discussing the size. Their plan was for 110,000 - it can't suddenly change in the last two days and add another 22,000 seats.
 * The Cricinfo page on the stadium says 132,000, but I feel this is copied and has been part of a huge "chinese whispers" without good enough sourcing. https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/57851.html - The page even states "No responsibility is taken by Cricinfo for the accuracy of this information."
 * The GUJARAT CRICKET ASSOCIATION - The owners of the ground - state it is 110,000 - https://gujaratcricketassociation.com/about-gca/
 * There's what, a couple of sources saying 132,000? Which I would posit is for political influence (A press release and the release at the ground) - whilst much more have stated the more realistic 110,000 figure. You're clutching at straws here. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 13:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliable secondary sources are to be preferred over press releases or news articles based purely on such press releases. Spike &#39;em (talk) 15:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Reuters is not reliable?

You guys are clutching on straws bringing things like chinese whispers, political motive etc.

The official announced capacity of the ground on the opening day was 132000.

The Cricinfo article you quote is before opening and based on speculation rather than the official announcement.

sunny.......... 13:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)


 * The GUJARAT CRICKET ASSOCIATION - The owners of the ground - state it is 110,000 - https://gujaratcricketassociation.com/about-gca/ DiamondIIIXX (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

https://gujaratcricketassociation.com/narendra-modi-stadium/

The GCA website may not be updated, but even then this small info piece on the stadium says that the capacity is more than 1.1 lakhs. sunny.......... 16:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Be reasonable now. Numerous articles have been posted here that says the capacity is 132000. sunny.......... 19:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

The official press release says 132000. Cricinfo says 13200. Reuters says 132000. Stop changing it on the basis of your bias and a link that says "capacity is more than 1.1 lakh" sunny.......... 19:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)


 * Not every source says 132,000, so it's worth discussing. As reliable sources say 110,000 as well as 132,000, I think both should be listed i.e. have capacity in infobox as "110,000 or 132,000" with a note for the discrepency. It isn't up to us to decide which sources are "right", we cite what sources say, and the sources don't agree with each other. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Let both figures be listed. sunny.......... 09:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)


 * Given that a sizable number of RS vary from other RS, I think the case for an 'asterisk' on any single number cited would be appropriate. Or indeed, give both if the sources are in rough equipoise.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:52, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, very neat. When tons of latest sources mentions an updated figure, DiamondIIIXX clings to one OFFICIAL OWNER source that gives 110,000. Why turn a blind eye to the same OFFICIAL OWNER site that also says 132,000? The 132,000 source is also directly related because its the stadium profile. Webmasters tend to forget updating one page and not the other. The stadium page should be considered the primary source and there are numerous secondary sources backing the 132,000 figure (Here:, , ( - basically every news report post-24 Feb including GOI's press release). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.51.88.95 (talk) 15:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * And the cited source in lead here - "it is the largest cricket stadium in the world and the second largest stadium overall, with a seating capacity of 110,000 spectators.[8]", mentions 132,000 when its written 110,000 in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4072:983:E192:ED5C:6E73:16F5:C898 (talk) 15:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

https://gujaratcricketassociation.com/narendra-modi-stadium/

The official owner now says 1.3Lakh as well.

Why are we insisting on 110000? sunny.......... 09:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (8)
78.100.246.108 (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC) Former names- Motera Stadium


 * ✅ Joseph<b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

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The first paragraphs, photos, and the info box are not rendering correctly. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/UuOyQkl VanNate (talk) 12:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Resolved as of 16:05 UTC VanNate (talk) 16:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021
Replace "a seating capacity of 1,32,000 spectators" with "with a seating capacity of 132,000 spectators", per MOS:NUMERAL and MOS:COMMONALITY. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done! Best, DanCherek (talk) 22:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 109.255.211.6 (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi protect request
The repeated changes to capacity to 110,000 from 132000 despite posting several sources.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AO1FE

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1700614

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/57851.html sunny.......... 21:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)
 * Why are you creating a new section for this? There's already a section above discussing the fact that reliable sources are at odds about this; some reliable sources are saying 110, and some are saying 132. Please don't spread the topic all over the talk page; keep it in one place. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Concur, I suggest this be moved to the above section. But to be clear, what exactly is being requested here?  There's no template or other standardised from that makes it clear.  If a semi-protected edit is being requested, I don't understand by, as the requester is a signed-in user and could do it themself... except that's what the text currently says, so redundant anyway.  If it's a request to semi-protect...  then it already is, so again, not following.  Is full protection being sought?  (That'd of course be wildly excessive.)  109.255.211.6 (talk) 06:27, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Narendra Modi Stadium
Its previous name was Sardar Vallav Bhai Patel Stadium Shampa Paul (talk) 10:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is consensus that the previously made WP:BOLD move is indeed the WP:COMMONNAME, so it will remain in place. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Narendra Modi Stadium → Sardar Patel Stadium – Undiscussed move TheWikiholic (talk) 18:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 21:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request to revert an undiscussed move (permalink). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * True, but a WP:BOLD move, as multiple WP:RS show that Narendra Modi Stadium is the new (and correct) name for the stadium.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Narendra Modi stadium is the new official name of this stadium. It needs substantial amount of time to change an article name as per WP:COMMONAME.- TheWikiholic (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well Kings XI Punjab was moved to Punjab Kings pretty quickly, per WP:NAMECHANGES (disucssion).  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME does not say that it needs a substantial amount of time to change an article name. In fact, it says the opposite: If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * And is it indeed being used 'routinely' at this point? Googling the phrase throws sources using it in scarequotes, articles wondering aloud if such a namechange is a sign of dictatorial megalomania, and so forth.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * For information, it is a cricket stadium inside Sardar Patel Sports Enclave in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Move to Motera Stadium, per WP:COMMONNAME Crashed greek (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * OPPOSE Looking at the Google trends there is no clear name used, especially when you switch from 7 days to past day. So I don't see the point of switching to a name which isn't even that commonly used anymore, and isn't official: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&q=Narendra%20modi%20stadium,Motera%20stadium

Also, Narendra Modi Stadium refers to the new stadium built, not the previous one that was called motera stadium, which wasn't even in use for a while. The term Narendra Modi Stadium is also commonly referred to, even cricket websites have it officially as Narendra Modi Stadium: https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/ground/57851.html

BCCI: https://www.bcci.tv/venues/19/narendra-modi-stadium Hindian1947 (talk) 09:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose Narenda Modi stadium does seem to be the name used in sources now. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per my comments, above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:31, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:NAMECHANGES. And it has changed as far as this stadium is concerned, and the reliable sources seem to be overwhelmingly referring to it by its new name, so there's absolutely no reason for us to not do the same. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 20:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Almost all sources and trends refer to the stadium by its new name, so there’s no point in changing the name. Also the new name seems to be the common name as of now and not the old name. Agastya11

132,000 is the seating capacity. Please change it to 132,000 and protect it.
https://gujaratcricketassociation.com/narendra-modi-stadium/

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AO1FE

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/ground/57851.html

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1700614

Official owners of the ground. The government, te most reputed cricket website and the likes of Reuters all say 132000.

Request to change it and stop vandalism sunny.......... 09:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)


 * You know there's a discussion about it above, no need to have two discussions. Also, please learn what vandalism is- it does not apply here to a disputed number. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:35, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

How is it disputed? The owners of the stadium have made the number public. The government have made the number public. So many reputed publications have been cited. sunny.......... 18:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyji 2k (talk • contribs)

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Wrestling matches
Imagine how many spectators will be here at a big wrestling event. Nate-Dawg921 (talk) 21:15, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I don't see how this is useful for the article. Please see Talk page guidelines — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 22:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

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Not largest stadium in the world
The largest stadium in the world based on attendance is in Indianapolis, Indiana at the Indianapolis motor speedway a stadium that is for IndyCar racing, as well as NASCAR cup series racing 2603:6010:C30C:8D73:C559:D7DE:F0AA:B758 (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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Wrong info in lead?
The aren was "Sardar Patel stadium", so it's privious name should be this not 'Motera'. Tesla car owner (talk) 09:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Largest stadium in the world
Hi an editor wrote in this article that Rungrado 1st of May Stadium is the largest arena in the world and Modi arena is 2nd number. Which info is true, is Modi arena is largest stadium in the world or not, because people in Ind believe that Modi stadium is the largest stadium in the world by seating capacity? Tesla car owner (talk) 16:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tesla car ownerwhat counts is reliable sources, you’d need to convince people here that the current figure is wrong. Doug Weller  talk 17:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * NMS's seating capacity is 1,30000 as per Indian media, but I cant confirm or easily belive the capacity of N. Korean arena. Today 1st time I read that there bigger arena than NMS is present in the world. Can you confirm the capacity of NK arena? Tesla car owner (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I changed the info, I think NMS never was biggest stadium in the world, Olympics.com is reputed site, it'll not publish false info. Tesla car owner (talk) 08:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)