Talk:Narma (tribe)

Narma Starting off with the Narma, they are a clan of Paharia Rajputs, whose territory extends from Mirpur and Kotli in Azad Kashmir to Gujrat and Rawalpindi in Punjab. According to tribal traditions, they are Agnikula Rajputs descendant of Raja Karan. This Raja Karan was said to be from Ujjain or Kathiawar, although the Thathaal tradition is he was the ruler of Thanesar in Haryana. My post on the Nonari also explores this mysterious figure found among the traditions of many Punjab tribes. The Narma, therefore are Panwar Rajputs, who ruled Malwa and Ujjain, their famous kings names were Raja Bikramjeet and Raja Bahoj. During the invasions of Mahmood of Ghaznai the Narma were said to be living in the Haryana. Naru Khan 8th descent of Raja Karan accepted Islam and the tribe were named after him; Naru or Narma Rajputs. They were land owner of several villages within Haryana; the chief men of this tribe were known by the title Rai, and this title is still used by their descendants presently. Most Narma Rajputs have accepted Islam, although some remain Hindu. The Panwars are said to have thirty four branches, named after places, titles, language and person’s names like Omtawaar were known as the descendants of Omta, similarly the descendants of Naru became Naruma and then Narma. Naru and Narma There might be a common ancestory between Naru and Narma, they both claim their ancestor name was Naru, who accepted Islam and given new name Naru Khan during the invasion of Mahmood of Ghazna, and he lived in Haryana area. However, the Narma claim that they are of Panwar Rajput ancestry, while Naru origin stories make reference to Chandravanshi origin. Coming back to the Narma, their origin myth refers to a Rai Pahre Khan, seven generations from Naru Khan who came from Kaithal in Haryana to what is now Jhelum district and founded two villages Fatehpur and Puran. A descendent of Pahre Khan, Rai Jalal Khan relocated to Senyah. As a tribe, the Narma are distributed over a large territory with Gujrat in the east, Rawalpindi in the west, and Mirpur and Poonch in the north, with Panjan in Azad Kashmir being a centre of the tribe. Clans The Narmas in Gujrat say that they have nine clans which are as follows: 1. Sadrya 2. Adryal 3. Sambrhyal 4. Haudali 5. Jalali 6. Alimyana 7. Joyal 8. Umrali 9. Hassanabdalia. Narma Rajputs in Indian Occupied Kashmir In Indian occupied Kashmir, they are found mainly in villages near Naushehra in Rajauri District. There main villages include Jamola and Gurdal Paine. Narma Rajput in Azad Kashmir Important Narma villages in Azad Kashmir include Khoi Ratta, Narma, Panjan, Dhargutti, Palal Rajgan, Panjpir, Prayi, Charohi, Rasani, Sabazkot, Sanghal, Senyah, and Tain all in Kotli District. In Bagh District, their villages include Nindrai Siriawera, Dhoomkot. Kaffulgarh, Ghaniabad, Bees Bagla, Sarmundle, Mandri, Bhutti, Nikkikair, Awera, Dhundar, Cheran, Makhdomkot, Chattar, Adyala Paddar, Lober, and Patrata. While in Bhimber District, they are found in the villages of Haripur (Samani Tehsil), Jhangar (Bhimber Tehsil), Makri Bohani (Bhimber Tehsil), Broh (Bhimber Tehsil), Khamba (Bhimber Tehsil), Thandar (Bhimber Tehsil), Siyala (Bhimber Tehsil), Garhone (Bhimber Tehsil), and Chadhroon (Bhimber Tehsil). Narma Rajput in Punjab In Punjab, they are found in the districts of Gujrat, Jhelum and Rawalpindi. The villages of Puran and Fatehpur in Jhelum District are said to be their earliest settlements. In Rawalpindi, they are found in Jocha Mamdot, Sood Bhidana, Raman and Narmatokh Kangar villages.

By RAJA IRFAN AKRAM S/O RAJA MOHD AKRAM R/O GURDHAN PAIN RAJOURI INDIA 185131.

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The following criticism was added to the article on 15 April 2010 by

''Narma ancestor name was Naru Khan who accepted Islam and his descendants became Narma Rajputs like Minhas from Milanhans, Nagial from Nag, Mangral from Mangarpal, Thathal from Thatu, famous Queen of Kashmir Rani Narma she was from Malwa, other name like Nar Singh, Nar Chand, Narsingh Gudda. Many other tribes were named after persons and your objection of Maulana Abdullah Khan Deobandi of Kuffulghar he was a Narma Rajput not a Awan. If you have any objection about his ancestory you could look up in the book (Tarikh e Aqwam e Poonch) where it clearly states in the picture gallery that he was a Narma Rajput as stated by his family. Famous Awan writer Mobat Hussain Awan wrote in his book (Awan aur Awan Gothen page 193) that Narmas are not Awan, they are Rajput and further reference in Noshera (Jammu Kashmir) several Hindu Narma Rajputs live there, there is no Hindu Awans, so your objection is merely based on wrong information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.227.188 (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

AxelBoldt (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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The Narmas/Narwas have their shajra/Family tree recorded in the book A Glossary of Tribes and Castes Vol3 by H.A Rose. It can be read here''' Glossary of tribes castes vol3

Narmas are the brother tribe of thathal/thothal tribe who are found in Gujrat/Azad Kashmir and also near villages to Puran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.188.61 (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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If this tribe is notable, this article should have sources, and reliable sources, too. I have reverted all unsourced content, that has been tagged as unsourced for over a year. All content can be retrieved by going through the article history; and if done so, it must be verified with reliable sources or will be removed as for being in violation of WP:OR. Thank you, -- MST  ☆  R   (Chat Me!) 02:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)