Talk:Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4

What was this change/redirect for? I see many typos that did not exist. Also that boxart is not final and the data the same, unless you have a source. I'm going to revert this unless you provide a source for the changes.


 * REPLY: This page is more professionally done than the other one and it provides more information. The data table is also more accurate. There was no need for to pages about the same subject so I merged them and kept the better of the two. Typos (if any) can be corrected but this over all was a better page. Thus the other one was turned into a redirect. About the boxart; I see no problem in leaving it as it is until the officail boxart for the game is released. Thus, it will be changed. Thank you for your questions. --SwordKirby537
 * I see, but what about the sources? Where does it say it'll be out in Dec? You copied the image right off PlayAsia? Isn't that against copyright? I can even see the partial text on the box. Not only that, but how is it more professional? There are more typos, the Freeloader reference shouldn't even be in the page and you have put unconfirmed information here. --Zeno McDohl 01:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly on Play Asia it says it will be out in winter of 2005. If I'm not mistaken that would be December 2005, would it not? Yes I did copy that image from Play Asia but on the image's page I stated that. Plus, I am not claiming it as my own; therefore it dose not go aginst the copyright. The page is more professional because it was organized better than the other page was. The reason I stated the Freeloader information is because this game is extremely popular outside of Japan for being a Japan-only game. I was just explaining the system requirements for the game if you live in North America or Europe. Is that a problem? --SwordKirby537
 * I see no where on PlayAsia saying the release date. You should link to a Freeloader page, not provide it on the same page. That isn't how an encyclopedia is. --Zeno McDohl 04:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * A few people on GameFAQs were discussing its release date being December 2005. Although I could have sworn that it said that on Play Asia also. I guess I got my scources mixed up. Anyway, I'm sorry if the Freeloader information dosn't fit on the page. I was just trying to be helpful by explaining how to set it up. I guess I will have to post a link to a Freeloader page if explaining it isnt allowed. --SwordKirby537
 * Then why did you create a new page _after_ one already existed and then redirect the original page to the new one? You should merge the new page to the old page. I'm currently waiting for a 3rd party to give comments about this. --Zeno McDohl 20:52, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that another page existed. When I found out that someone made another page for this game I decided to merge the two pages but keep the title of this one. This page seems it would fit better with the other Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen pages because this title has the colon in it. All the pages for the other Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen games had the colons in them so it would make sense that this one would also. I don't see why you think this is such a big deal. --SwordKirby537
 * The boxart image clearly violates copyright policy, look at your user discussion page. --69.204.190.91 18:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have removed the boxart. I think PlayAsia made it theirself, so we have no need to put it up. --Zeno McDohl 16:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4
This page needs to be titled "Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4" until it is announced that it will be released in the U.S. under the title of "Naruto: Clash of Ninja 4"! There is no such thing as a Clash of Ninja 4 yet because there is no U.S. release even planned. Wikipedia is not a Crystal ball. Also, using the English title is not an excise because the correct translation would be "Great Ninja War". Who ever keeps reverting the name needs to stop! Its extremely annoying to correct.--SwordKirby537 23:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Says the editor who is ignorant of proper moving procedure. Do it correctly and you won't get revereted. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Quit acting arrogant. I wouldn't have to do this if you din't make the proper article titles in the first place. Its you that has screwed every thing up. I can't use the move tab because the page that it needs to be moved to already exists. Please tell me if there is a way around this so i can quit playing your little game.--SwordKirby537 05:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you know how to look up the answer. WP:MOVE. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 13:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Discuss before reverting
Before you revert something on this page, please discuss it here first. As you can tell from above, there have been some issues. --Zeno McDohl 17:50, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 69.243.246.164, you just reverted the series listing. What was the purpose? We do not need a series listing here, they are on Naruto (games). I will revert the change unless there's a good reason. --Zeno McDohl 01:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a simmilar thing on the Soul Calibur page. If you really think its such a big deal you should remove that also. Personaly I think its fine. I dont see why you think you have to watch this page like a hawk. Its not like anyone is gonna destroy it so leave it be. It will be fine.
 * I've already stated why it shouldn't be on the page, and just because another page has it doesn't mean it's correct. But because I don't want to have a revert war or anything, I won't edit it out anymore. --Zeno McDohl 00:11, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Whoever is reverting my change of "kyuubi level 2" to "ultimate kyuubi" (which is the real name used in the game's manual), could you please stop? --Kidd
 * Look down at the last comment I made. --Zeno McDohl 17:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Deletion
This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 07:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

GNT4 magazine scan
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7927/gntfirstscan4fi.jpg

I'm not sure what magazine this is from but I do beleive the logo is official. Can someone who can read Kanji go over this scan and see if it reveals any new information? --SwordKirby537 20:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say anything special I think, except that the game will be out in the winter of 2005--JadziaLover 21:42, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Winter 2005 eh? lol, thats what I put as the release date for the game about a month ago. I guess Wikipedia is a crystal ball. Anyway, enough joking. Do you think it would be ok to put the release date as Winter 2005 or just leave it as TBD for now? --SwordKirby537 22:48, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd say add it. It's a release date, albeit not a very precise one...--JadziaLover 22:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, I added it. Once an exact release date is announced you or I or someone else can change it. --SwordKirby537 23:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Rating
Is it safe to say that this game will recieve the same rating as the other games; "CERO: All ages"? We know that it most likely will but I wanted to make sure it was ok with you guys before I posted it. --SwordKirby537 01:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Put it under speculation for now. --Zeno McDohl 02:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Freeloader
The comment about how to play this on an american system has nothing to do with the game itself, and is covered elsewhere on wikipedia adequately. --InShaneee 22:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Zeno McDohl and I have covered this before and we both agreed on keeping it. --SwordKirby537 22:37, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I had shortened it to a link to Freeloader. I'm not against removing the ref. all together. --Zeno McDohl 23:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I'm going to go ahead and revert it back to how it was since this dosn't seem like much of an issue. --SwordKirby537 00:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work that way. We've got two people for it's removal, so it stays gone. --InShaneee 01:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You and who else? Zeno McDohl and I say it can stay, so from what I see, the majority say that it can be there, so I'm putting it back. --SwordKirby537 03:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 'The Majority'? Zeno says right above here that he's not against me removing it. I'm taking it down again, and leave it until you've got some consensus on your side. --InShaneee 05:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I was always against it. The game has nothing to do with Freeloader. Keep it off the page. --Zeno McDohl 23:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Contrary. In order to even play this game in North America and Europe you need Freeloader. Even if this game was only meant for Japanese audiences, this is an English encyclopedia. There is nothing wrong with mentioning freeloader on this page. For a fair arguement, we need more than just 3 people. I'll tell you what; if we can get a few more people in this arguement and the majority agrees with you guys, then I'll never mention it agin. Untill then, I will stand by my opinion fully. For now, I'll leave it how you want it, since there are currently more people agreeing with you. --SwordKirby537 02:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a how-to. The fact that gamecube games have regions is not only covered elsewhere, but I'd go so far as to consider it common knowledge, anyway. --InShaneee 05:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Not only that, you are also wrong, this is not just an English dictionary. As you stated on your user talk page "I'm still learning how to use Wikipedia" and "I don't underatand all of this professional lingo", so please try to stick to simple editing until you learn more in the future. --69.204.183.132 18:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well that was almost a month ago and I have been doing alot of heavy editing since then and I have learned alot in that time frame. When I said that, I basicaly meant that I had no knowledge of the move button or image catagorizing, since that was the issue we were discussing. So don't even think about telling me what I can and can't do. I will let this issue go, since Zeno finnaly gave me a good reason why the Freeloader shouldn't be on the page. Seriously, all I needed was a good reason backed up with facts. --SwordKirby537 22:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I don't do this right, I've never commented before. I'm wondering why a reference to a resource relevant to English-speaking people would be removed from this page. Surely a simple link at the end of the article, perhaps in the "See Also" section, would not be inappropriate. Since the article's in English, it seems reasonable to assume that the people reading the article might be interested in the existence of a resource which would allow them to play the game in question. I, for example, had never heard of FreeLoader until reading this discussion. I came to this article hoping to learn where I might find such a resource, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought to do so. A little note saying "to play Japanese region-coded games on a North American Gamecube, a special program is required, such as FreeLoader," with 'FreeLoader' being a link to a FreeLoader article, or a link to the Datel page. The truth is that it was actually fairly complicated to find out how/if I could play the game on my Gamecube, and would have been much moreso had I not read this discussion. In the interest of simplifying this search for other people, I suggest that the useful reference be returned to the Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4 article. Theoretically this would be useful data for all the Japanese game articles, but this happens to be the one I was looking for. Thank you. My apologies again for the block of text, I tried spacing it for readability, but it didn't seem to want to cooperate. --Earthan 03:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

New scans
Narutofan has posted some new images it seems.  If anyone can translate these, it'll help us provide more features or anything else we haven't listed yet. --Zeno McDohl 21:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

December 31, 2005 Release Date
Zeno, this is not the exact release date but the 4th quarter mark; meaning it will be release before that. Although the website you got this from claims it is the exact release date, it most likely isn't. Now, I notice how you put this in the speculation section but wouln't it be better to change it to "The game will be released before December 31, 2005" and put it in the facts section (or keep it in speculation if you feel that is necessary)? I noticed you seemed confused about this so I just wanted to help clear things up. Now, just incase you disagree with me on this, I wont change it. I will let you change it yourself after you read this if you agree with me; since we've had quite a few editing conflicts in the past. --SwordKirby537 20:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is why it is under speculation and not facts. Because I didn't think it was real. --Zeno McDohl 21:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Scan confirming new characters
This scan confirms Kabuto, Kimimaro, and Kisame will be playable. 

Speculation
I dunno who just removed it, but I agree with whoever did it. The section itself promotes false interpretation and rumors, and has caused a lot of problems with message board communities concerning what's going to be in the game (especially the additional five characters comment). -- DigitechX [GameFAQs] DigiX
 * Look up speculation in a dictionary sometime. "a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence". It doesn't promote anything. It's not facts. --Zeno McDohl 12:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Right, because obviously 'your' opinion is above all else's? It promotes rumors and ignorant fanboyism. Causes nothing but problems on message board communities. --DigiX
 * My opinion? All of the speculation is not mine. I'll say it again. It doesn't promote anything. It's speculation. As you can tell here speculation is fine on Wikipedia. --Zeno McDohl 02:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Not a good example to use. Speculation on an ongoing series which still has many unanswered questions versus a bunch of groundless rumors that are for an upcoming video game which has answers that are grounded. Yeah, give me a legitimate reason or I'm deleting it. --DigiX
 * A legitimate reason besides the fact that it belongs there is that you're going to cause a revert war. One IP already removed it, and then another IP reverted it back. --Zeno McDohl 16:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I was me who put the specualtion section back when it was removed. I agree 100% with Zeno McDohl on this. If people happen to take speculations as facts then its their own ignorance to blame. --SwordKirby537 00:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Release date
My copy shipped out on the 17th from PlayAsia, but other sites still say the 21st, which I think is the official release date in stores. What should we make the release date?

Ultimate Kyuubi
Also, someone changed Kyubi Naruto from Level 2 to Ultimate. That isn't "Ultimate" Kyubi, there are "higher" forms. --Zeno McDohl 15:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's called Ultimate Kyuubi in the manual. If that is the name Kishimoto has decided or not is kinda irrelevant since that IS the character's name. Most likely this is indeed called Ultimate Kyuubi by Kishimoto as well, refering to the whole "chakra takes form of a fox around him"-form. There are however different levels to this ultimate form, but it is indeed the ultimate form, albeit the lowest incarnation of it. -KiddDaBeauty
 * Yeah, I figured it was something like that. I only reverted it once, then let it go after that anyways. --Zeno McDohl 12:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Who's the idiot who can't read japanese and yet insists that I read the character name wrong by changing the name of Ultimate Kyuubi Naruto again? -KiddDaBeauty
 * Seems like 68.103.80.44 is doing it. --Zeno McDohl 01:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Though I personaly feel that the name "Ultimate Kyuubi" is an inappropriate title for this incarnation, if it is reffered to that in the game or instruction booklet, then its what it should be called on this page. Though, in actuality, the name "One-Tail Kyuubi Nauto" feels more accurate, since we know from the manga, this game's incarnation is not ultimate Kyuubi. --SwordKirby537 05:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Typo or Japanese name?
Tsunade can now do her generative jutsu at any given time Shouldn't the above be regenerative? 66.63.101.231 22:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

In America?
Was this game along with the 2nd, and 3rd only released in Japan? Are they in America? Because it says no where that it is only in Japan so far. Because only the first game has came out in America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizarre099 (talk • contribs)
 * They will probably come to the US sometime in the future. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 01:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Team Specials: Keep?
Do we really need a messy list of team specials for all of the 3 man cells? Maybe if we removed the list and then added a paragraph (or two if needed) talking about the addition of them instead, it might look better. Any objections? -- Sasuk e  -kun  27  01:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mostly cruft. Axe it and give a short descritpion of the purpose. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs)

Clash of Ninja 4
The title of the article can be Naruto: Clash of Ninja 4 if typed as the url, but searching wiki doesn't redirect here. Can someone fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.155.164 (talk) 01:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Cursed Seals
Someone erased the fact that the sound ninja are only playable in CS2 form. I think it's important to the list of characters, and so readded it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.91.155.164 (talk) 06:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Reaction
Does anyone know how this did in Japan? If so, it could be included... --Putmalk 22:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Even though I assume the game is doing very popular, Wikipedia is here to present information, not popularity. Regardless it did good or not, it's reception should not be included.--76.108.234.53 00:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't too uncommon to see things such as reviews and ratings in video game articles. See Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and Halo: Combat Evolved, for example. // Decaimiento Poético  00:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's different though, since Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4 has only been released in Japan. Sites such as IGN haven't give much Japanese-only game ratings and receptions yet, so no one can really know for sure how this game did in Japan.--76.108.234.53 00:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There's always the handy web search (like Google), but I can certainly see your point. // Decaimiento Poético  01:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

English CoN 3?
I've heard rumors that this game is gona come out as number clash of ninja 3 in the U.S, are those rumors true?
 * I'm not sure if it's been officially announced, so as of now the rumours are most likely fake. // Decaimiento Poético  02:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)