Talk:Nat & Alex Wolff discography

Editing this page
I just stumbled onto this page for the first time today and it looks very strange to me! This does not have the look of an encyclopedic article at all. I do not know if this was vandalism or how the page was originally created. I have fixed the page to look a little more professional, but if does not look right or correct to someone, please feel free to chnage it as you see fit. But this article needs a ton of work if it is not to be nominated for deletion. Please help the article! Josborne2382 05:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 08:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Resolved Josborne2382 04:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits on the article
This is a portion of an message I posted on AnnieTigerChucky's talk page:

Thank you for you most recent contribution to Wikipedia! We appreciate that you have the desire to want to make edits to make Wikipedia a great encyclopedia. However, the most recent edits you made to List of The Naked Brothers Band songs were not all entirely constructive, so for now they have been reverted. Also, when you want to make major edits to an article like you did, please discuss it on the Talk page so all editors can get an idea and understanding of why you made such big edits. For the mean time I have reverted most of the recent edits you have made until they can be discussed on the talk page. Here are a few questions I have for you...


 * Why did you delete the production information from the infobox? It is an established and accepted album template used all over Wikipedia.
 * Nat Wolff is NOT the producer of the album. Producers finance an album and handle things like marketing and production.  Being 12, it is very unlikely that he could do any of that.  The producers I listed on the article (Michael Wolff and Michael A. Levine) are the actual producers on the album as listed on the album.  Nat did write the songs so adding him as writer would have been better.
 * Why did you remove the Production information from the main article? Again, it is an established and accepted style used all over Wikipedia.
 * Why did you add the two extra songs to the album? They are not included on either the original version or the enhanced version.  If you wanted to add the songs (since they are from the tv show) you could have added them under "additional songs."  I titled that section just for that reason to list movies songs and songs from the series that were not released on the album.
 * The song Hardcore Wrestlers is not Hardcore Wrestlers with inner feelings. The actual song name is Hardcore Wrestlers.  Alternatively, it can be listed as Hardcore Wrestlers (with inner feelings).

Please discuss these here on the Talk page. Thanks! Josborne2382 05:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

AnnieTigerChucky responded to me on my Talk page instead of here, so I copied that response along with my response.
 * According to the CD album that came with The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie when the dvd first came out the song was titled "Hardcore Wrestlers with Inner Feelings," I am 100% shore on that. I know Nat Wolff is not the producer of the new debut album I wrote "Producer (Music Score)" meaning he contributed the music score and Michael Wolff and Michael A. Levigne are The Music Supervisors of the show. I fixed up the song list by adding, because for some reason they were missing, check out the album on The iTunes store it has it on the album "Long Distance" and "Catch Up With The End." I fixed it up on the aritical, because it did not look neat, so I made it look better, I don't know why you reverted it back origanally. --AnnieTigerChucky 04:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I apologize if I have upset you in any way, I am just trying to better the article any way possible. I am going to address each one of your concerns one by one...
 * "According to the CD album that came with The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie when the dvd first came out the song was titled "Hardcore Wrestlers with Inner Feelings," I am 100% shore on that."
 * On this one we'll have to agree to disagree. There is no definitive answer on this one so why don't we compromise?  I've seen it written in many places as Hardcore Wrestlers (with inner feelings) why don't we go with that?
 * I know Nat Wolff is not the producer of the new debut album I wrote "Producer (Music Score)" meaning he contributed the music score and Michael Wolff and Michael A. Levigne are The Music Supervisors of the show.
 * First of all, this is not the show, it is an album, and different rules apply. Even though Michael Wolff and Michael A. Levigne are the Music Supervisors of the show that doesn't make them "music supervisors" of the album.  Usually there are no "music supervisors" of an album, only producers.  According to the liner notes of the album and on the CDUniverse website and JR.com along with on many other reputable sites.  Also, Matt is listed as writer, not as a producer of any kind.  A Producer (even as you put it of the music score) means something completely different.  Nat Wolff is the writer and that is not an arguable fact.
 * I fixed up the song list by adding, because for some reason they were missing, check out the album on The iTunes store it has it on the album "Long Distance" and "Catch Up With The End."
 * This one you are completely right about, and I apologize for reverting this one. I will fix it in the wikitable.
 * I fixed it up on the aritical, because it did not look neat, so I made it look better, I don't know why you reverted it back origanally.
 * As I explained in my initial message, I reverted things back because you changed an established and accepted template for the infobox. What I put on is used all over wikipedia.  See any established article (Elton John for example) and you will see that the infobox I created is the same.  Plus you took out a lot of the production information which is important to the article.  I am all for cleaning up article that looks weird, but when you take out (or change) important information with out putting it elsewhere you make the article less factual.
 * Finally, remember that this is an actual album and it is significantly different from the tv show and movie. The way things are done on a tv show is not how they are done on an album.  Michael Wolff and Michael A. Levigne may be music supervisors on the show, but they are not "music supervisors" of the album.  They produced the album and they deserve the title as such.  I am sorry if this caused you any trouble, I just wish you would have put it on the talk page of the article first so other editors could understand the changes.  I am moving our responses to the talk page as well so other editors can see it.  Thanks!  Josborne2382 18:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hopefully next time she will respond here so changes that affect the whole article can be discussed. Thanks!  Josborne2382 18:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

But for the additonal songs - you put "If Thats Not Love" and "Catch Up With The End", that's on the album already can you delete it of additanal songs and make it say additanol songs for the The Naked Brothers Band: Film and delete additonal songs for The Naked Brothers Band (TV series). End "Catch Up With The End" is listed "Catch up With The End" can you fix the capitalization. I know we have discussed this already but woulden't Nat Wolff be considered "Music Composer", "Composer", or "Composer (Music Score)". For The Production Information why can't that be listed in the info box? Thanx again!

How do you make an Info Box anyway and whenever I try to add or change some stuff on their it just make what ever I changed not show. I have expiernced problems like that in the past, thanx! AnnieTigerChucky 02:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for making the cleanup edits you proposed. I had been very busy with work and was unable to get back on until today.  I am almost sure that Nat's only credit would be writer, but I will do a little research into that and I will let you know what I find.  As far as making an info box, please see the article on making an infobox by clicking on the word. If you need more help, let me know and I can walk you through it.  Thanks!  Josborne2382 20:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this article should be moved
The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie should be expanded and The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) does not have enough info. This article should be moved on The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) and the additional songs should be on The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie. Please respond as soon as someone gets the chance. --AnnieTigerChucky (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I went to look at The_Naked_Brothers_Band:_The_Movie and you have been doing a great job with it! Kudos to you and Sandy for doing a great job with expanding it!  As far as your questions go, I'm not sure the articles should be merged, as it might be a disservice to both articles.  The movie article looks great and I am not sure how much more expansion that article could have as it is very informative as it is.  The only things I could see to be added would be more production information such as:
 * Shoot Locations
 * Awards won (if any)
 * Critical acclaim (if any)
 * Any other actors/actress considered for roles


 * I think you get the idea. Also, the synopsis of the movie could be expanded just a little more with a little more of the exposition of the story and the sub-plots.  I would love to do all of this, but I have only seen the movie once and am working on researching for other articles right now.  As far as combining the article, I don 't think it should be as each subject is worthy of it's own article.  You are right that the tv series article certainly needs to be expanded!  On Friday, (unless it gets done before then -- I am looking forward to a day off!) I plan on rewriting and expanding the plot of the tv show, adding wikiboxes to both articles (organizing the cast and production staff) and completing my research on the Nat/producer issue as well.  I have been working on other articles lately and almost forgot about this one!  Thanks for bringing it back to my attention and I look forward to working together to (hopefully) bring these articles up to good status or even featured status!  Oh, and I will copy this and put it on the talk page as well.  Have a great Thanksgiving tomorrow (if you celebrate it)!   Josborne2382 (talk) 01:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This page needs a major clean up. Right now it's a total mess. The page should be redone to match discographies of other artists. I made a sample of it here. It lists their only album and all the tracks on it, and any other songs that they band has preformed on the show or in the movie that didn't make it on to the CD are listed under Singles. I also removed the picture from the top of the page in my version as I doubt we can justify a fair-use image of them on this page. The page should also be renamed to The Naked Brothers Band discography to keep in line with other artists discography pages. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC) Also, I had to remove the CD cover from my sample since you can't have a fairuse image in userspace. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Malevious, I will try to make this peace of idk. to a real artile asap. --Tokuma (talk) 12:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Naked-bros-band-cast.jpg
Image:Naked-bros-band-cast.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 00:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be more like a discography/soundtrack?
Doesn't wiki have formats for discography/album/song articles? It seems odd that a band (even a ficticious one) would have all of it's song/album info lumped into one massive article. -- TRTX T / C 20:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Absoloutley Redoi nkulous 24.56.20.41 (talk) 20:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)