Talk:Natalie Clifford Barney/Archives/2015

Paganism and fascism - no such link for Barney?
The article mentions briefly that Barney was occupied with paganism. It surprises me that, in the section where her attitude towardsd fascism, her paganism is not at least discussed. Paganism was appearently a reason for some to support fascism. Hence, for others, including other artists, their links to paganism has been used against them when their relationship towards fascism have been investigated. Barney would also not be the sole such person to have "helped a jew" or did other things that "milden" the picture. And she would also not be the single person about which it has been claimed that she did not knew, that she was the victim of propaganda. I don't know if it is necesasry to mention names of any such artists - I will do if needed. Apparently, her interest in the old Greeks was what made her interested in paganism. And - eventually - perhaps positive towards fascism.

So hereby, I ask that her paganism is discussed in the section which deals with her attitude towards fascism.


 * I'm not seeing what you're seeing. In fact, it appears that Barney stood against fascism.
 * However, the lead paragraphs do say that she supported "paganism" but this is only brought up again once more in the article -- related to a single dialogue. I would suggest that either the article should say more about her alleged support for paganism or this reference should be dropped from the opening paragraphs. Mr. Harman (talk) 03:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Old comments
Same as Natalie Barney, please unite the two pages. 24.201.116.26 01:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I summarily note that it does currently redirect. 02:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, it is said that lesbianism “was common in the literary and artistic circles of the day.” In what forms, I find myself wondering, did the contact take place? JamesEG 02:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Olga Rudge was not a "lifelong" partner to Ezra Pound as mentioned here. Pound was long married to Dorothy Shakespear.


 * The relationship between Rudge and Pound has been clarified, she is now his "longtime mistress" rather than "lifelong companion." Porlob 00:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Photo
Does anyone know of a different photo of Natalie Barney that can be verified as out of copyright? It seems like a shame for someone so full of joie de vivre to be represented by the only picture I have ever seen in which she looks unhappy.  &mdash;Cel ithemis  03:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

GA passed

 * 1. Well written? Pass
 * 2. Factually accurate? Pass
 * 3. Broad in coverage? Pass
 * 4. Neutral point of view? Pass
 * 5. Article stability? Pass
 * 6. Images? Pass

I can truly this exceeds GA requirements as it is a body of information and could lead to a review on such a subject. I knew nothing of her but knew of her contemporaries and after such an intense piece of work, this should be FACed as it is nice to read and to get a whole new look at this woman. If I may, the only thing I might suggest is removing the less than infrequent adjectives that could give a pov feeling to like less than 10 lines. Lincher 02:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for passing this as a GA and for your comments. I've gone through and trimmed some adjectives, mostly WP:Peacock-ish terms applied to people who visited the salon.  I hope this fixes the POV issues; it definitely makes the article tighter.  &mdash;Cel  ithemis  09:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Historical marker in Dayton, Ohio
Should this be mentioned?  APK  that's not my name  03:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

"author and poet"
Isn't a poet an author, then? Peter jackson (talk) 16:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting this here I had decided it would be better to just do this myself and inform you but found you'd already done so. Nil Einne (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Writer is more fitting, anyway. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ...playwright, poet and novelist is even more fitting. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * (EC x2) While this isn't an area I'm that familiar with (although I believe I recall a discussion somewhere about some other instance) I believe calling someone an author usually implies they wrote a published literary work, excluding poetry. While technically you can argue a poet, is an author, as is a scriptwriter (whether for TV, computer games etc), someone who has written a journal article, a newspaper writer and columinist even you and I and every other wikipedia editor, or heck even anyone who has written anything or heck arguably even created anything can be consider an author, it would be rather odd to describe someone as an author unqualified and solely for most of these things. And I presume this applies to poetry as well. In other words, by calling her an author and poet, we are stating that she has written both literary works and poetry Nil Einne (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Author and poet was ok but I do think ...playwright, poet and novelist is more helpful to readers. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, yes, we're all authors, but most of us aren't notable authors. I should perhaps add, by the way, that I'd never heard of this lady before coming across the phrase in the featured article. I have no personal opinions on the matter. I just thought it an odd use of language. Peter jackson (talk) 10:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Idiom like that can seem odd when one thinks about the meanings behind each word. Thanks for bringing it up. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I concur your wording is better. P.S. I modified the wording above slightly to help clarify it in case it's ever referred to again Nil Einne (talk) 01:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Eva Palmer-Sikelianos
Natalie's earliest relationship and probably most important friend was Eva. And yet there is no mention of her in this article, notably under the title of "Major Relationships". This is probably something that should be remedied and I will myself unless there are any reasonable objections. Thanks. Zamdrist (talk) 04:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)