Talk:Natalie Morales (journalist)

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Discussion
I have moved the following sentences from the main article to the talk page. If the speculation can be substantiated, then it may belong in the article. Lbbzman 13:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Morales will likely take over for Ann Curry full time on the newsdesk at the end of 2005. Morales may take over for Katie Couric as co-host of the Today show sometime in the future.

Admin rollback of content change
An edit war has emerged over the career start date of the subject, specifically whether it was 2003 or 2006. I am dismayed to observe there has been no attempt to discuss the matter on the talk page. I have restored the content to its state prior to this edit war.

All parties are advised to discuss the matter on this page before making any further changes, and especially before engaging in an edit war. Please also read the WP:3RR policy in case you are not familiar with it. Manning (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Career Start date
Natalie Started as a Correspondent and Sub anchor, But she didn't Permanently join until Late 2005-Early 2006. Here is her Biography on Today Show Website: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080436/http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080436/ JoMontNW (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Surname
Please change her surname at the beginning of the article from Morales to Morales-Rhodes. Citation: http://www.today.com/video/today/49118142#49118142 at the 0:52 mark.

69.140.2.13 (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)4/23/13
 * Yes check.svg Done thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:51, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Children
Someone put that she had 3 kids and put Bobby (2014), can someone change that please? She only has 2 and neither are named Bobby

184.9.91.82 (talk) 18:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

✅ - the edit was unsourced and named a child supposedly born in 2014 in an edit made in 2013. Arjayay (talk) 18:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Newer Photo of Natalie Morales
Hi since I am not sure how to and having problems could someone please update the Image of Natalie Morales with this Photo? this is form september of this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Newer_Photo_of_NBC_Natalie_Morales.jpg Morningtv13 (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ The file is a clear copyright violation of an image found at Getty Images here. It has been flagged for deletion.  Dwpaul  Talk   04:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay I understand. I do think a new photo of Natalie should be posted. Morningtv13 (talk) 05:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Career Timeline
Why can't this page have a Career Timeline on it? Many other wiki Pages on Journalists have therm. Morningtv13 (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. Merely because another article or group of articles have a particular characteristic doesn't mean it should be reproduced here (and the argument you are using will usually fail immediately).  A timeline is mostly appropriate when there is insufficient information to populate a description (in prose) of someone's career.  In this case, everything that appears in your timeline is already described in the Career section of the article, making a separate timeline redundant and excessive.  Its value to the article is certainly great not enough to justify your edit warring over it (and I know this has been explained to you before, as this is not new behavior for you).  You would have been well advised to have started this conversation here after the first or second revert rather than persistently repeating the edit.  Dwpaul   Talk   21:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's completely redundant. --Neil N  talk to me 02:46, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Please can someone remove it, it's redundant, and the user who's just added it has a COI and has been reported to WP:AN3 for edit warring. Joseph2302 (talk) 02:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed it before I posted here. --Neil N  talk to me 03:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

2006 or 2008
the edit you are making is not supported by the source. Why are you making that change? Jytdog (talk) 04:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 1 one external link on Natalie Morales. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20130916174805/http://www.hudsonreporter.com:80/view/full_stories_home/2404672/article-Having-it-all-Anchor-and-Hoboken-resident-Natalie-Morales-reflects-on-motherhood--juggling-family-and-career--and-the-birth-of-her-son to http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full_stories_home/2404672/article-Having-it-all-Anchor-and-Hoboken-resident-Natalie-Morales-reflects-on-motherhood--juggling-family-and-career--and-the-birth-of-her-son

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Requested move 27 April 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure)  Winged Blades Godric 12:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Natalie Morales → Natalie Morales (journalist) – There is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC between Natalie Morales and Natalie Morales (actress). The actress gets more pageviews and the journalist does not appear especially significant. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 01:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I would like to see the difference in number of page views broken down by month (or at least by year) since 2008 when the actress' article was created. I'm not impressed with page views as an indicator of notability unless the difference is overwhelming. For example, change the time frame and we get |Natalie_Morales this; quite a different picture. As Mark Twain said, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics". Regarding your comment that "the journalist does not appear especially significant", I disagree, and point out that the comment is very much a matter of opinion. Sundayclose (talk) 15:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * To me, that link just shows the journalist and the actress were roughly equal for nearly a year, then the journalist briefly had a pageviews spike for a month or so, and then it went back to little difference in pageviews. Hardly the whopping difference that WP:PRIMARYTOPIC requires. Also, since the journalist and actress don't have such significant pageview differences, I think it's hard to tell whether some of the journalist's pageviews are meant for the actress. The significance thing is my opinion, sure, but it's also a facet of determining a primary topic, and neither of these people appear especially signiciant to me. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, over a period of years there is little if any difference in page views; if anything the overall pattern is slightly in favor of the journalist. We can twist statistics easily to fit our preferred interpretation. Bottom line: page views are not a good criterion for establishing notability here. Other standards must be used. It's a matter of opinion as to which is more notable, but I think your assessment that "the journalist does not appear especially significant" is flat wrong, and I think those familiar with the field of journalism would agree with me. Those who are fans of the actress, of course, might agree with you. Again, it's a matter of opinion, not page views. Sundayclose (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - They seem to be of equal notability, even if the journalist is slightly more so, it's not to the degree necessary to make her the unambiguous primary topic. The actress is well covered in the press. It's not about "those familiar with the field of journalism" vs "those who are fans of the actress" but about WP's policies, and these are both high profile women with the same name, neither of which is heads and tails above the other to be the PT. JesseRafe (talk) 18:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Too little in it.  WP:2DABS applies.  The current situation is less confusing than changing things.  Wait for the third Natalie_Morales biography and then make a DAB page at the base name.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Neutral on making the basename a 2DAB, which is apparently what is proposed. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Support per WP:TWODABS in particular If there are only two topics to which a given title might refer, but per the criteria at Is there a primary topic? there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term. The monthly view given by as linked by Sundayclose does not appear to show that either is the primary topic. Why there was a spike it was short term and then both fell back to the same level. And even looking at the views over time, the difference appears to be less than a factor of 2, |Natalie_Morales 63% vs 37%. PaleAqua  (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you weakly supporting a DAB page with two entries? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:31, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No, supporting a redirect at the base page with hatnote at the target page. PaleAqua  (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. They both look to be C-grade media personalities and thus roughly equal. I don't see the anchorperson as being head and shoulders above the actress in terms of overall or long-term encyclopedic importance at this time. Herostratus (talk) 05:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Is the proposal to swap articles on the base name, or to create a DAB page?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:25, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Dab page. Moving Natalie Morales → Natalie Morales (journalist) leaves "Natalie Morales" as redirect to the new name. I assume that would then be made into a dab page, otherwise there's no real point to the move. Herostratus (talk) 09:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:TWODABS – they are of equal notability these days. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:25, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support To someone outside the U.S. the only Natalie Morales of any importance is the actress. I had no clue that there was an American Journalist with the same name till this Wiki page which I found while searching for the actress.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.28.106 (talk) 00:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)  — 86.163.28.106 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Support move. No primary topic.  ONR  (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Neither of these is a clear primary topic. kennethaw88 • talk 03:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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see Reliable_sources/Noticeboard Jytdog (talk) 17:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)