Talk:Nathan Marcuvitz

Orphan
If someone looks up a review of the Waveguide Handbook there may be context to provide links.Rgdboer (talk) 02:54, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

This article is based on an obituary written by Arthur Oliner, a colleague of my father at Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute and an IEEE fellow. See Arthur Oliner The article is factually accurate to the best of my knowledge. Minor personal facts, links, and formatting were added by me. I would appreciate it if the introductory warnings casting doubt on this article are removed.

Andrew Marcuvitz --Amarcuvitz (talk) 04:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I am returning the tags to the article for the following reasons:
 * The Conflict of interest tag is there because you have written an article/obituary about your father, and the article needs to be reviewed to remove or adjust any text that is not written from a neutral point of view. It is often the case when editors have a conflict of interest, that they tend to write in a manner that promotes the subject, which is counter to the purposes of this project. Conflict of interest editing is strongly discouraged here for that reason.
 * The Peacock tag has been returned because the article still contains overly-complementary text that does not impart any real information and only serves to inflate the importance of the subject. Text like "...it describes, in a masterful summary..." and "...it therefore exerted a monumental impact on the field..." is filled with undue praise, especially since there are no references that back up the statements made.
 * The Unreferenced tag is being returned because, well, the article is unreferenced. Wikipedia relies on verifiable information that can be confirmed through referencing reliable sources. That way, we don't have to rest our hopes of accuracy on the statement of a relative of the subject who states that the article is "accurate to the best of my knowledge".
 * The fact that this article is based on an obituary published somewhere else leads me to believe that there could be some issues involving copyright infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text. I'm going to take a closer look, but I'd also appreciate some assistance in removing copyrighted text from this article. Thanks, Steamroller Assault (talk) 09:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Response to reposting of tags by SteamRoler Assualt
To be clear, this article is based on an obituary in the form of a private email communication to our family by Art Oliner who is a recognized figure in the field of electrophysics and a colleague of my father's.  He was unable to attend the funeral and, with an apology, contributed the his summary of my father's career in the form of an obituary. It is not copyrighted and is being used with the knowledge of the author and for its intended purpose. This was NOT written my me, they are not my words, I have not embellished it. Please do a Wikipedia search for Arthur A. Oliner. All I did is format it for the Wikipedia, assemble a few addition factual details like dates, the photo, and family info.


 * 1) Conflict of Interest  -  A well respected and recognized electrophysicist wrote this, NOT I.
 * 2) Peacock - These are the words of Art Oliner.
 * 3) Unreferenced - I will edit to attribute the "peacock" language to Oliner.

--Amarcuvitz (talk) 23:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Copyrighted Material
What you flag as copyrighted material was sent to the IEEE as an obituary by me! The contents of this article are based on the non-copyrighted material authored by A. A. Oliner and are not derived from the actual material the IEEE chose to publish.

Email from IEEE
From: A.Bogdanowicz@ieee.org [mailto:A.Bogdanowicz@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:26 AM To: Andrew Marcuvitz Subject: RE: Obituary suggestion for Nathan Marcuvitz, professor emeritus Polytechnic Institute of NY

Dear Andrew, Thank you for passing this along, I appreciate it. Take care, Ania

Anna (Ania) Bogdanowicz Assistant Editor, "The Institute" IEEE 445 Hoes Lane Piscataway, NJ 08855 USA Tel: 732-562-3982 Fax: 732-562-1746 Visit The Institute Online at: www.ieee.org/theinstitute

IEEE's core purpose: To foster technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity. From: 	"Andrew Marcuvitz" 

To: 	

Date: 	02/21/2010 02:33 PM Subject: 	RE: Obituary suggestion for Nathan Marcuvitz, professor emeritus Polytechnic Institute of NY

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Dear Ania, Thanks. Below is a narrative with more perspective authored by Art Oliner, his colleague and an IEEE member. Dr. Nathan Marcuvitz stands out clearly as the leading figure in the field of electromagnetic waves for the period of at least two decades following World War II. He was widely viewed by his colleagues as the premier electromagnetics scholar of his generation. Electromagnetic waves achieved practical fruition in the development of microwave technology and the creation of the microwave industry, with applications to radar, communications, electronic warfare, industrial and consumer electronics, and so on. Rapid progress in the development of the microwave field was made possible by the availability of accurate network descriptions of the various complicated structures employed in microwave systems. The central figure in this crucial period of the development of such network descriptions was Dr. Nathan Marcuvitz. ... ''

Advice in the hopes to build a proper Wikipedia article
Hi. This discourse is an excellent example of why conflict of interest editing is so thoroughly discouraged on Wikipedia. As you can see, it can be very difficult (and frustrating) to write about a subject in which you have a vested interest. Here's some advice:
 * First, a great page to look at is WP:Your first article. It gives an excellent breakdown on what is expected regarding subjects written about on Wikipedia.
 * And before we go any further, we need to go over some very important information regarding copyright. Wikipedia text MUST be available to be freely redistributed and built upon by CC-BY-SA and GNU (see here for info). The text that was removed was published by the IEEE, which clearly states on its homepage: © Copyright 2011 IEEE – All Rights Reserved. This can sometimes be confusing to folks that have written published material, because even though they wrote the stuff, the copyright is owned by someone else. You MUST understand that the text that was removed was a word-for-word reprint of text that has been previously published [here], under full copyright, regardless of the statements of the original author. However, all is not lost. Wikipedia has procedures for donating copyrighted material. See here if that's what you want to do.
 * Regarding your sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That is, a compendium of previously published information. We rely on the referencing of reliable sources (i.e. news articles, peer reviewed journals, or any published information that has reliable editorial oversight) to build articles. Private emails, regardless of the pedigree of those who wrote them, do not count as a reliable source for the purposes of this project. And once this text has been published, as it was here, we use this text as a source of information, and not as a source of text, as I hope was explained enough in the previous point. But, I'm going to go a little further and show how we can write an article here using this text:
 * It is improper to write statements like "Dr. Nathan Marcuvitz stands out clearly as the leading figure in the field of electromagnetic waves for the period of at least two decades following World War II" for a few reasons. Firstly, as stated above, it is copyrighted text. Secondly, it is an exceptional claim, and therefore requires exceptional sources to back it. The statement within the article is unreferenced. WP:Your first article, which I linked above, give information on how to fix this. But, I'll let you in on a way to write that info here. You can write (and reference) the following statement: In an obituary for Marcuvitz, longtime colleague Arthur A. Oliner wrote "Dr. Marcuvitz stands out clearly as the leading figure in the field of electromagnetic waves for the period of at least two decades following World War II." Do you see how this now avoids all the issues of WP:COPYVIO and WP:PEACOCK? I hope you do.

I'm not sure what else to present to you. I hope this information is sufficient, but if you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask. As this text justifies, I am removing the copyrighted text that you have returned to the article, and am strongly requesting that you do not revert the edit, but rather work to build a better, neutrally-written article. And once again, since we have clearly established a strong conflict of interest in your editing, you need to know that you shouldn't worry so much. Soon enough, someone who is not related to the subject will eventually contribute neutral material to this article. Steamroller Assault (talk) 01:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Have cleared copyright with IEEE
Thanks for taking the time to explain all this to me. Following what I understand to be Wikipedia guidelines, the IEEE has gladly agreed send the CONSENT form per the procedure at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENT. I will then incorporate the entire IEEE article with attribution to the published IEEE piece as the Biography section of this article. I hope this will directly meet the requirements you generously took the time to explain to me. I hope you understand why I feel it is important for my father to be remembered with as much detail as is available. The article by a recognized figure in the field and a close colleague of my father's does this best and contributes, in my opinion, to providing encyclopedic knowledge that is factually useful and verifiable. I took as a model for this article other Wikipedia articles of my father's late colleagues. --Amarcuvitz (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

After a little more investigation, it appears that original Wiki article that I published based on the Oliner authored private communication was, in fact, the first publication of the material and, so as far as I understand, I must be the copyright holder. The various IEEE pieces that I can find are more developed versions of the original material that I suspect were directly contributed to and published by the IEEE later in the year by Oliner. Because the article in your illustrative reference above is a bit to detailed, I think, for the Wikipedia it is my intent to just restore the page to its prior state, sans flags, and add attribution to Oliner and a general reference to the IEEE article. In any case the IEEE IP person has agreed to email consent to the Wikipedia. --Amarcuvitz (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of problems with your plan. Firstly you are not the owner of the copyright, since as you stated, the material was not written by yourself. Secondly, as I stated earlier, Wikipedia is a compendium of previously published information. There are very specific guidelines here disallowing the contribution of original research or thought. If we are to take your argument at face value, that the information within this article is sourced to a private email communication, a simple restoration to the article's previous state simply will not do. Really the best option here is for you to use available reliable sources as your basis of information, and to write a neutral, well-cited, encyclopedic piece that does not violate copyright. Actually, and even better option is for you to wait for someone not affiliated with Marcuvitz to contribute to this article, but I feel that we may be beyond the point of convincing you of the dangers of conflict of interest editing. Since the IEEE has apparently already begun the process of donating their copyrighted material, it seems feasible to base an article entirely upon that text. However, you are correct in the belief that the IEEE text is far too detailed for an encyclopedia. It is also far too complementary to the subject, as it is an obituary. Great care must be taken in using this material to avoid the appearance of non-neutrality. Steamroller Assault (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

(Email from copyright holder)

From: j.hansson@ieee.org [mailto:j.hansson@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:08 AM To: permissions-commons@wikimedia.org Cc: Andrew Marcuvitz Subject: Re: Nathan Marcuvitz Bio consent for Wikipedia publication.

To Permissions - Wikipedia Staff:

In response to Andrew Marcuvitz'sletter below,please accept this permission on his behalf to reprint portions of Arthur A. Oliner's "Transitions. Dr. Nathan Marcuvitz" and portions of his other IEEE copyrighted papers in Wikipedia. Our only requirement, in this case, is that the IEEE copyrighted material is credited appropriately, with the following details filled in:

© [year of original publication] IEEE. Reprinted, with permission, from [author name(s), paper title, IEEE publication title, and month/year of publication].

Sincerely,

Jacqueline Hansson, Coordinator IEEE Intellectual Property Rights Office 445 Hoes Lane Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331 USA +1 732 562 3828 (phone) +1 732 562 1746(fax) e-mail: j.hansson@ieee.org IEEE Fostering technological innovation and excellence for the benefit of humanity.

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Amarcuvitz (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

In response to your objections:
I intend to fix this article as follows: I have located the original author of the biography section, Arthur Oliner. He is a recognized authority in my father's field. His relationship to my father is purely professional. He will re-edit the article and remove the tags. He will cite ©2010 IEEE. Portions reprinted, with permission, from A. Oliner, "Transitions. Dr. Nathan Marcuvitz", IEEE Microwave Magazine, Dec. 2010, pg. 120, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=05590341, his article that is a more developed piece summarizing my father's career and from which the biography section at issue is based. Also, the Biography section will have the added a citation, "Portions of this section have been excerpted from a piece by longtime colleague and IEEE Fellow, Arthur A. Oliner later published in (reference to IEEE article)." Amarcuvitz (talk) 16:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)