Talk:Nation of Israel

Hugely questionable redirect
The initial (2007) creator of the stub, Mrg3105, has long quit Wiki, but, who transformed it into a redirect not long after that, is still editing - hi!

Nation is a very difficult concept, and as far as I know, it is never being used for Iron Age communities. People maaaybe, but certainly not nation. Mrg3105 was explicitly translating from the Hebrew "am Yisrael", "people of Israel", lit. meaning "descendants of Jacob/Israel". A tribal & religious concept, far from the modern concept of a "nation". The focus of the French nation on the citizens, and of the English use of the term on the state, only complicates things on a platform such as this, used in the entire world, by non-native-speakers at least as much as by native-speakers.

One can very well argue that the term be redirected to Israelis, since there is indeed a modern "nation of Israel", i.e. the state & citizenry of that state.

Before we get lost in all that, I'd prefer to see this redirect removed. Or, indeed, redirected to Israel (disambiguation), where all the options are on offer. Arminden (talk) 18:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be fine with a redirect to Israel (disambiguation) to let the readers decide for themselves which version of the "nation of Israel" they are looking for. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)