Talk:National Army Museum

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Fair use rationale for Image:National army museum logo.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:National army museum logo.jpg
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Museum redevelopment and reopening
Hello fellow Wikipedians

Now that the museum has reopened after a lengthy redevelopment, some of the information in this article is out of date, especially the gallery information.

I'm happy to point you in the direction of information and sources, but due to COI issues I'm unable to directly edit myself.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks - NAM17 (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Please feel free to post the key proposed additions here with independent citations. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * To expand on what Dormskirk said, edit requests are intended to work as thus: editors with a conflict of interest can propose specific edits/sentences, which are then reviewed by unbiased Wikipedia editors for neutrality, sufficient citations to reliable sources, copyright and close paraphrasing checks, and compliance with other policies. The onus is on the edit requestor to provide a workable draft. Since the edit request queue has a backlog of over entries, requests that provide specific changes or additions will receive priority over general requests for updates. As you have not provided any specific sentences you wish to have added to the article, I am afraid there's not much I can currently do to help you. Altamel (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Introduction section changes
I propose that the introduction is updated to reflect the redevelopment and reopening of the museum. Perhaps under for the second paragraph it could read as follows:

"Having reopened in March 2017 following a major £ 23.75 million re-development project including £ 11.5m from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF), it houses five dynamic galleries that explore the bridge between the British Army and society from the English Civil War up to modern day. Designed with architects BDP and exhibition design agency Event, the bright new Museum maximises access and engagement with the Collection, providing a 21st century visitor experience."

Sources can be found here:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/attention-forward-march-to-a-light-filled-museum-of-army-life-6mkzvk3bg

http://www.kcwtoday.co.uk/2017/03/national-army-museum-re-opens-three-years/

http://building-projects.co.uk/news/national-army-museum-refreshed-by-bdp/

NAM17 (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Done, although I have toned it down a bit to remove the advertising. Dormskirk (talk) 16:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. NAM17 (talk) 09:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Gallery section text updates
Hi. Now that the gallery information is out of date, I've supplied the following text so the page can be updated. I'm not sure if the old gallery text is worth keeping or not.

Solider gallery

An insight into life as a serving soldier. The Soldier gallery recalls personal experiences from joining up to coming home through inspiring objects that explore the physical and emotional experience of soldiering throughout the army’s history.

The gallery follows the life of a soldier from joining the army to training and daily life, and the reality of crime and punishment, to exploring both combat and non-combat roles. Visitors can engage with a series of tests to find out if they could become a soldier and can be drilled in marching. Objects on display within the gallery include Crimean Tom, a cat found during the Crimean War and brought back to Britain as a pet; the Welsh flag which formed part of the memorial of a soldier who was wounded in Afghanistan in 2009 and later died in hospital; and James McGuire’s Victoria Cross, which he received for gallantry during the Indian Mutiny but lost when he was convicted of stealing his uncle’s cow!

Army gallery

The Army gallery charts the army as an institution. Exploring the army’s origins in the chaos of the British Civil Wars and examining its role in the political development of the country and its impact on global history, the gallery also analyses the army’s relevance through technological and social change.

Visitors can explore how the army has adapted and evolved in the face of political and popular policy, changing circumstance and innovation to remain effective and achieve its objectives. The international story of the British Army is told through paintings including portraits of Oliver Cromwell and Khudadad Khan VC (the first Indian Solder to win the Victoria Cross) as well as the first official representation of black soldiers in the army on the Regimental Colour of the West Indian Regiment.

Battle gallery

Explore what battle really feels like. From the 17th century to the present day, victory to defeat, the Battle gallery shows the British Army fulfilling its most challenging task - conflict - through multimedia interpretations, interactives, visual and sensory experiences.

Visitors can experience some of these technological developments through interactives such as driving a tank or drumming a battle command. The Battle of Waterloo is brought to life with a new multimedia interpretation of the Siborne Model that enables visitors to investigate both the model and the famous battle.

Society gallery

Looking at the army’s impact on today’s customs, values and choices. The Society gallery examines the army’s influence on the world we live in today from music (Jimi Hendrix by Gered Mankowitz) to medicine, toys (Action Man) to technology through to fashion and food. It examines moments when the army has been loved and loathed, as well as the differing roles of the British soldier ranging from aggressor, support for natural disasters as well as protector of our national security.

Looking at the army in fashion (Burberry Trench Coat), fiction (War Horse) and journalism (Kate Adie’s Flak Jacket, helmet, identity discs and press pass), and at its impact on medicine, technology and benevolence, the army is revealed as recognisable and distant, loved and loathed. The gallery also examines moments when communities have encountered British soldiers in circumstances of conflict, natural disaster and national security.

Insight gallery

Examining the impact of the British Army globally. With no other army having seen service in as many countries, the Insight gallery examines the impact of the British Army on a world stage, its interaction with different cultures and its influence on these cultures and theirs on the army.

Intended as a regularly changing exhibition, the gallery’s opening displays look at the army’s connection with Germany, Scotland, the Punjab, Ghana and Sudan. Communities from these areas have been involved in the creation of the gallery, sharing thoughts on their relationship with Britain, the army and the objects within the Museum’s collection, such as a Nazi Car Pennant and a Chakra, or Fortress, Turban.

Sources

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/art/what-to-see/national-army-museums-reinvention-thought-provoking-triumph/

https://www.nam.ac.uk/press/national-army-museum-open-question

http://advisor.museumsandheritage.com/features/national-army-museum-reopens-following-three-year-23m-development/

http://londonist.com/london/museums-and-galleries/a-first-look-at-the-new-national-army-museum

Feel free to edit for NPOV reasons


 * Hi - Most of this is just copied from https://www.nam.ac.uk/press/national-army-museum-open-question which cannot be used for two reasons (i) breach of copyright and (ii) we need the material independently sourced. But I have removed the old out of date material. Dormskirk (talk) 22:06, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Change of Image
Hi

I've uploaded a new image of the exterior of the building, so that the image of the old museum can be updated for a new one.



Thanks NAM17 (talk) 09:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Website URL Change
Hi. The old website address is still on display and needs changing. The new one is: https://www.nam.ac.uk/

Thanks


 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Logo removal
Hi. The logo on the page is out of date. Could this be taken down?

Thanks NAM17 (talk) 10:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * done. Dormskirk (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Dormskirk Thanks for all you help. NAM17 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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NPOV re debates over museum presentation and staffing
I have reversed recent edits to restore NPOV. The passage I deleted ran: '[NAM director] Maciejewski has explicitly rolled back on decolonisation and other attempts in the 2017 redisplay to deal with controversial aspects of the army's history, despite concerns raised earlier in his tenure about the lack of ethnic diversity in the Museum's staff and a mishandled staff restructure.' Sources cited were: https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/2021/05/concerns-raised-over-national-army-museum-restructure/ And: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/14/national-army-museum-resists-decolonisation-british-history/ Criticisms of the museum approach are certainly worth including, especially to counterbalance the Roberts commentary. But it is not objective to assert that the restructure was 'mishandled'; a more appropriate summary would attribute critiques in quotations to individual sources rather than editorialising. The Museums Association article also does not mention concerns over ethnic diversity, as the edit claimed; instead it alludes to gender diversity. Valid to include reporting on the NAM director's public comments regarding historical interpretation, but again it is not objective to simply assert that the the museum does not address controversial aspects of army history, particularly when the director has said otherwise (MA article: 'There is also a wide-ranging public programme that tackles difficult and complex chapters in the history of the army including controversial episodes such as the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Amritsar Massacre in 1919 and the uprising of 1857 in India.') A better intervention would quote and summarise a range of POV to inform readers of the differing views; happy to participate in a discussion here about how to achieve this. RogerSheaffe (talk) 10:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)