Talk:National Basketball Association

Geo Coordinates for Little Caesars Arena
The coordinates given are apparently those of the old Palace at Auburn Hills. The correct coordinates are 42.341111, -83.055 per https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Little_Caesars_Arena&params=42_20_28_N_83_3_18_W_type:landmark_region:US-MI Lotterdata (talk) 02:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Good eye. Apparently when the other parts of the Pistons' entry were updated to account for the move to Little Caesars, they didn't update the coordinates.
 * Which gets me thinking. Why do we have the coordinates in the first place? oknazevad (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The corresponding tables for MLB and NFL have them too. I found them useful for a project that finds hypothetical divisions that minimize the total intradivision distances. I had other sources for each league but wanted to check against one that was (mostly) more up-to-date. Lotterdata (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, listing coordinates is nothing more than WP:NOTCATALOG. In addition, most times the corporate headquarters of the team is in a completely different place than their main arena. – sbaio 17:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A good point. I don't think they're meant to serve as coordinates for the teams, but in lieu of listing addresses for the arenas. A few years back there was a couple of editors insisting on adding coordinates to everything despite the lack of meaningful coordinates on some topics (like trying to have one coordinate point for a transcontinental highway), so it may be a holdover from that. But I still think they're of limited use and anyone wanting the exact location of an arena can click the link to the arena article. I don't think losing them here would be a detriment to article quality. oknazevad (talk) 19:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree, I feel a bit useless info. Just tacked on to a table. If someone was curious, they could easily get the same info by clicking the arena page and seeing the location in the infobox.
 * Or is there a way to 'hide' the LAT/LONG behind the globe icon so the coords are neatly placed off to the side and now taking up so much visual space? Like a 'globe' icon inside the Location column after the city name? Moonraker0022 (talk) 16:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been wondering this myself too. For nearly every other league, the columns are used to list Head Coach. Who comes to this page looking for arena coordinates over head coaches? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 04:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Looming NBA Free agency clarificatoin.
The annual edit/revert season is among us and with free agency starting at 6:00pm EST tonight, I thought I'd come hear to clear up the logistics for angsty editors (like myself...).

Tonight, and over the next week, we should see many very reliable, yet not official, reports of players "planning to" and "have agreed to" free agency deals. This will of course also happen with trades usually being broken by Adrian Wojnarowski and Shams Charania. These reports are very reliable, and the wording is very key in determining the likelihood of the scenario. While it is very likely that the moves stated clearly and confidently by these high level reporters are much more likely to come to fruition than not, we have seen scenarios where deals have fallen through due to medical concerns, not making a specific deadline, or even just a change of decision during moratorium.

With this prefaced, if we have a hard time updating the lead and info-box of players during this time, I think it is important to note this information in the Professional Career sections of a players timeline while specifically mentioning that it was "widely reported" or something along those lines. I feel that until is officially announced, the timeline should be updated with the new team and information while the info-box and lead could remain the same. RichieConant34 (talk) 15:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Broken Link
In the short section "Controversies and Criticism", the link to Havervold, Kale's article "The Darkest Moments in the History of the NBA" is broken. However, that article has been archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20191013163753/https://www.sportsbreak.com/nba/the-darkest-moments-in-the-history-of-the-nba/ Please change the reference to include the archive link. It takes a while to load. DavidGries (talk) 11:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Coordinates versus Coaches
Why are the coordinates of the arena considered an important piece of information on the list of teams? Wouldn't a listing of current Head Coaches make more sense and be more in line with how other sports are formatted? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that there is no reason to list coordinates. I guess it would be best if this was asked at WT:NBA since more editors will probably see it. – sbaio 15:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 28 February 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved the subtopic articles. There is consensus that National Basketball Association should remain as it is, as indiciated in MOS:ACROTITLE. While there are comments to rerun the other articles separately, there is a consensus to move the other articles listed in here, per WP:CONCISE and WP:SHORTFORM. – robertsky (talk) 12:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

– Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Unanimously all sources call the league "NBA".  Scarlet Violet  (talk • contribs) 12:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * National Basketball Association → NBA
 * List of National Basketball Association annual assists leaders → List of NBA annual assists leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association annual blocks leaders → List of NBA annual blocks leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career 3-point scoring leaders → List of NBA career 3-point scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career blocks leaders → List of NBA career blocks leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career free throw percentage leaders → List of NBA career free throw percentage leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career free throw scoring leaders → List of NBA career free throw scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career minutes played leaders → List of NBA career minutes played leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff 3-point scoring leaders → List of NBA career playoff 3-point scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff assists leaders → List of NBA career playoff assists leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff blocks leaders → List of NBA career playoff blocks leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff free throw scoring leaders → List of NBA career playoff free throw scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff minutes leaders → List of NBA career playoff minutes leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff rebounding leaders → List of NBA career playoff rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff scoring leaders → List of NBA career playoff scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff steals leaders → List of NBA career playoff steals leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff triple-double leaders → List of NBA career playoff triple-double leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff turnovers leaders → List of NBA career playoff turnovers leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career rebounding leaders → List of NBA career rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders → List of NBA career scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career steals leaders → List of NBA career steals leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career triple-double leaders → List of NBA career triple-double leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career turnovers leaders → List of NBA career turnovers leaders
 * List of defunct National Basketball Association teams → List of defunct NBA teams
 * List of National Basketball Association annual field goal percentage leaders → List of NBA annual field goal percentage leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association annual free throw percentage leaders → List of NBA annual free throw percentage leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association awards → List of NBA awards
 * List of current National Basketball Association head coaches → List of current NBA head coaches
 * List of National Basketball Association career 3-point field goal percentage leaders → List of NBA career 3-point field goal percentage leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association career playoff games played leaders → List of NBA career playoff games played leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association head coaches with 400 games coached → List of NBA head coaches with 400 games coached
 * List of National Basketball Association mascots → List of NBA mascots
 * List of National Basketball Association seasons → List of NBA seasons
 * List of National Basketball Association single-game playoff scoring leaders → List of NBA single-game playoff scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association team presidents → List of NBA team presidents
 * List of second-generation National Basketball Association players → List of second-generation NBA players
 * List of National Basketball Association annual minutes played leaders → List of NBA annual minutes played leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association longest losing streaks → List of NBA longest losing streaks
 * List of National Basketball Association longest winning streaks → List of NBA longest winning streaks
 * List of National Basketball Association single-season rebounding leaders → List of NBA single-season rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association single-season scoring leaders → List of NBA single-season scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association rookie single-season rebounding leaders → List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association rookie single-season scoring leaders → List of NBA rookie single-season scoring leaders
 * List of oldest and youngest National Basketball Association players → List of oldest and youngest NBA players
 * List of tallest players in National Basketball Association history → List of tallest players in NBA history
 * List of National Basketball Association annual rebounding leaders → List of NBA annual rebounding leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association retired numbers → List of NBA retired numbers
 * List of National Basketball Association rivalries → List of NBA rivalries
 * List of National Basketball Association annual scoring leaders → List of NBA annual scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association seasons played leaders → List of NBA seasons played leaders
 * List of shortest players in National Basketball Association history → List of shortest players in NBA history
 * List of National Basketball Association annual statistical leaders → List of NBA annual statistical leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association annual steals leaders → List of NBA annual steals leaders
 * Superteams in the National Basketball Association → Superteams in the NBA
 * List of National Basketball Association annual 3-point scoring leaders → List of NBA annual 3-point scoring leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association annual 3-point field goal percentage leaders → List of NBA annual 3-point field goal percentage leaders
 * List of National Basketball Association undrafted players → List of NBA undrafted players
 * List of National Basketball Association arenas → List of NBA arenas
 * Strong oppose for the league's article itself, weak oppose for the others. Despite sources almost always using the initials for North American sports leagues, that does not necessarily make the initials the common name.  O.N.R.  (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose since that is the standard for organizations and that is why redirects are created for easily recognizable abbreviations of such organizations. In addition, the nominator is making false claim in its nomination, because certainly not "all sources" use NBA. Even the league itself uses "National Basketball Association" in its press releases. – sbaio 13:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose moving the main National Basketball Association article. Historical consensus for that page and the other main North American sports league articles has been to strictly follow MOS:ACROTITLE and, and thus avoid those abbreviations. As Sbaio implied above, these leagues and some media sources may still use the full names. And these abbreviations may not necessarily be recognizable outside the United States and Canada. As for the other detailed articles, I am neutral and they could be considered seperately as to whether they could be abbreviated like 2023–24 NBA season, because those more detailed page titles give additional specific context. Zzyzx11 (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ScarletViolet: Consider striking National Basketball Association from the list, given MOS:ACROTITLE. The rest might be less controversial.—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * +1 to this suggestion. 162 etc. (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with Bagumba's suggestion to keep National Basketball Association the same. But we can shorten for the rest. As the creator of List of National Basketball Association career 3-point field goal percentage leaders and List of National Basketball Association team presidents, I think it would look better with the shortened "List of NBA team presidents". When reading the titles and trying to determine the contents of these articles, reading the full name (National Basketball Association) takes up too much space and distracts from what we are attempting to decipher. My guess is most people type in the abbreviated "NBA" in search engines anyways. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment At this point, some !voters have worked around it by itemizing which pages they disagree on moving, while supporting the rest. —Bagumba (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support for all but the main page (National Basketball Association) per above. Note that List of NBA team owners, NBA high school draftees, Eligibility for the NBA draft and several others are ALREADY abbreviated. There should be a standard form, whether long form or short form. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ScarletViolet, FYI you did not include List of National Basketball Association general managers and many other NBA articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ScarletViolet, if consensus supported the moves, we should require the same for WNBA-related articles. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, even the NFL, MLB, NHL, etc.  Scarlet Violet  (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose moving main National Basketball Association page, Support moving the others. Rikster2 (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose National Basketball Association → NBA. No opinion on the rest, but consider withdrawing and starting a new RM for them. Srnec (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose moving the names of any of these articles. Catfurball (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Aside from the page National Basketball Association itself, why? —Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Next best option. which should not be controversial, is creating redirects similar to NBA → National Basketball Association. Some of them do not have the concise redirect. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's consistent with R from initialism —Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all except standalone National Basketball Association The main National Basketball Association page's existing name is consistent with MOS:ACROTITLE and its Central Intelligence Agency example (...in view of arguments that the full name is used in professional and academic publications). The full "National Basketball Association" expansion can be seen on The New York Times, for example. For the others, where NBA is part of a longer descriptive title, the WP:CONCISE policy seems more applicable. The desciptive titles aren't ambiguous, as they are basketball specific.  There are other longstanding examples such as NBA All-Star Game, NBA Finals, and NBA draft, where the meaning is clear, and the primary topic of NBA is anyways the basketball league.—Bagumba (talk) 04:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all but National Basketball Association – The abbreviation is used far more extensively; many news articles from sites without overly strict style guidelines don't even mention the full name of the league at all.  Sounder Bruce  06:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all except National Basketball Association. -- Zoo  Blazer   06:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Basketball has been notified of this discussion. -- Zoo  Blazer   06:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Sports has been notified of this discussion. -- Zoo  Blazer   06:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose main article per Britannica, unsure on others.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Support all – the same case with FIFA. Those who oppose, what do non-English speaking people call it? You never see English speakers refer FIFA as Fédération internationale de football association, so why should NBA?
 * SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is English Wikipedia. It's out of scope what non-English speakers call the National Basketball Association. —Bagumba (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. The acronym "NBA" is globally associated with the "National Basketball Associaton", so I don't see a problem with that, as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. Mazewaxie  ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all but NBA (neutral on that one) for the sake of concision. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 18:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all but the first, per many other rationales above. Dicklyon (talk) 23:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all but the first, in agreement with Dicklyon & others on this. GoodDay (talk) 23:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Leave the main article, move the others per just about everyone else. oknazevad (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all except the first, don't want to be left out in case there's a dinner. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support all but the first, and at the dinner I want the prize for being the first to mention WP:SHORTFORM and the examples therein. (Bagumba mentioned CIA, but not WP:SHORTFORM.)
 * Central Intelligence Agency, but CIA activities in Vietnam and List of CIA station chiefs, not Central Intelligence Agency activities in Vietnam or List of Central Intelligence Agency station chiefs
 * Federal Bureau of Investigation, but FBI files on Elvis Presley and FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, not Federal Bureau of Investigation files on Elvis Presley and Federal Bureau of Investigation Ten Most Wanted Fugitives
 * —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support all except the first, per nominator and for reasons listed by others above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strongly Oppose All —What about the National Hockey League, Major League Baseball, & the National Football League? They don't use Acronyms.
 * PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There are countless examples of acronyms used in NHL/NFL/NBA -> NHL Entry Draft, NBA draft, 2022 NFL draft. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Completely unnecessary and adds needless ambiguity. Abbreviations are usually best avoided for article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @NecrothespNecrothesp what if it's wrong?
 * PS: my keyboard is bugging out. PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wrong=Long PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What if it is? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm... Maybe PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is the opposition assuming the readers are 2 years old and learning world sports culture for the first time? If so, it does not take a rocket scientist to put two and two together... or perhaps these newcomers should avoid these one-off pages and start out at the main articles then to learn the basics first before diving into these more esoteric topics. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2024
When discussing the NBA it should be edited to reflect that it's referring to a men's only league. The rhetoric does not clarify that clearly while reading it. It's barbaric to assume it refers to men only.

It should also reflect the history of gender exclusivity and the development of the women's league as women's rights improved 2604:3D08:B77D:C300:F182:1B9C:238:BAEE (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "Men's" added back to lead in line with prior discussion at WT:NBA. All the rest is POV-pushing and will not be added. oknazevad (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The NBA does not enforce a men's only policy. For example, Luisa Harris was selected in the 1977 NBA draft.&mdash;Myasuda (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ann Meyers tried out for the NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 15:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Oknazevad: Can you link to the prior discussion? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Trying to find it in the WT:NBA archives. I remember the discussion, and the big thrust was that the 70s examples are irrelevant as they are from decades before the establishment of the WNBA. The NBA is de facto a men's league. It's a plain fact. oknazevad (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Characterizing the NBA as a men's league is simply wrong, regardless of any prior discussion. It gives the erroneous impression that women are forbidden from playing in the NBA. If there was a woman with Chamberlain or Jordan type skills, the league would have no problem with her sitting on any team's roster. There are age restrictions regarding draftees, but no gender based rules regarding who can be admitted to the league. It's not the MNBA -- just the NBA.&mdash;Myasuda (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)