Talk:National Garden of American Heroes/Archive 1

Edit warring by IP 69.116.73.107
With this edit, IP user has engaged in edit warring. I have warned him at his user talk page. NedFausa (talk) 22:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's going to be disagreement over how people are categorized. There are currently 3 votes for a single list above. I propose keeping the single list on the article until there's a consensus to subdivide names in any way. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Subdivided list
For anyone who might find it useful, I am posting the subdivided January 18, 2021, list here. Names marked with § were included in the July 3, 2020, executive order. NedFausa (talk) 03:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Founding Fathers (11)

 * John Adams §
 * Samuel Adams
 * Charles Carroll
 * Benjamin Franklin §
 * Alexander Hamilton §
 * Patrick Henry
 * John Jay
 * Thomas Jefferson §
 * James Madison §
 * Caesar Rodney
 * George Washington §

Presidents (13)

 * Grover Cleveland
 * Calvin Coolidge
 * Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * Ulysses S. Grant
 * Andrew Jackson
 * John F. Kennedy
 * Abraham Lincoln §
 * William McKinley
 * Ronald Reagan §
 * Franklin D. Roosevelt
 * Theodore Roosevelt
 * William Howard Taft
 * Harry S. Truman

First ladies (2)

 * Dolley Madison §
 * Eleanor Roosevelt

Supreme Court justices (5)

 * Ruth Bader Ginsburg
 * Robert H. Jackson
 * Thurgood Marshall
 * Antonin Scalia §
 * William Rehnquist

Congress (7)

 * Henry Clay §
 * Barry Goldwater
 * Sam Houston
 * Daniel Inouye
 * Barbara Jordan
 * Jeannette Rankin
 * Margaret Chase Smith

Ambassadors (2)

 * Jeane Kirkpatrick
 * Clare Boothe Luce

Native American leaders (4)

 * Sitting Bull
 * Red Cloud
 * Chief Joseph
 * Tecumseh

Activists (19)

 * Susan B. Anthony §
 * Frederick Douglass §
 * Nellie Gray
 * Russell Kirk
 * Martin Luther King Jr. §
 * Sojourner Truth
 * Harriet Tubman §
 * C. T. Vivian
 * Booker T. Washington §
 * Ida B. Wells-Barnett

Athletes (11)

 * Muhammad Ali
 * Herb Brooks
 * Kobe Bryant
 * Vince Lombardi
 * Jesse Owens
 * Jackie Robinson §
 * Babe Ruth
 * Jim Thorpe
 * Cy Young

Arts (61)

 * Ansel Adams
 * Irving Berlin
 * Frank Capra
 * Julia Child
 * William F. "Buffalo Bill" Cody
 * Carl Gorman
 * Bob Hope
 * Elia Kazan
 * Edward R. Murrow
 * Charles Willson Peale
 * John Russell Pope
 * Henry Hobson Richardson
 * Norman Rockwell
 * John Singer Sargent
 * Gilbert Stuart
 * Maria Tallchief
 * Alex Trebek
 * Thomas Ustick Walter
 * Frank Lloyd Wright

Actors (8)

 * Lauren Bacall
 * Ingrid Bergman
 * Humphrey Bogart
 * Charlton Heston
 * Annie Oakley
 * Jimmy Stewart
 * Shirley Temple
 * John Wayne

Authors (18)

 * Mark Twain
 * James Fenimore Cooper
 * Emily Dickinson
 * Theodor Seuss Geisel
 * Ernest Hemingway
 * Julia Ward Howe
 * Francis Scott Key
 * Harper Lee
 * Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
 * Herman Melville
 * Edgar Allan Poe
 * Harriet Beecher Stowe §
 * Henry David Thoreau
 * Phillis Wheatley
 * Walt Whitman
 * Laura Ingalls Wilder

Musicians (13)

 * Louis Armstrong
 * Johnny Cash
 * Ray Charles
 * Nat King Cole
 * Miles Davis
 * Duke Ellington
 * Aretha Franklin
 * Woody Guthrie
 * Billie Holiday
 * Whitney Houston
 * Elvis Presley
 * Frank Sinatra
 * Bessie Smith

Military (33)

 * Roy Benavidez
 * Joshua Chamberlain §
 * Gordon Chung-Hoon
 * Benjamin O. Davis Jr.
 * Joseph H. De Castro
 * Jimmy Doolittle
 * Desmond Doss
 * William "Wild Bill" Donovan
 * David Farragut
 * Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette
 * Gabby Gabreski
 * Bernardo de Gálvez
 * Nathanael Greene
 * Nathan Hale
 * William Halsey Jr.
 * Ira Hayes
 * Hans Christian Heg
 * Henry Knox
 * Tadeusz Kościuszko
 * Douglas MacArthur §
 * George Marshall
 * William "Billy" Mitchell
 * Audie Murphy §
 * George S. Patton Jr. §
 * Oliver Hazard Perry
 * John J. Pershing
 * Walter Reed
 * Hyman Rickover
 * Matthew Ridgway
 * Norman Schwarzkopf
 * Robert Gould Shaw
 * Maxwell Taylor

Religion (17)

 * Four Chaplains (George L. Fox, Alexander D. Goode, Clark V. Poling, John P. Washington)
 * John Carroll
 * Dorothy Day
 * Katharine Drexel
 * Jonathan Edwards
 * Billy Graham §
 * Roger Williams
 * Thomas Merton
 * John Neumann
 * Fulton Sheen
 * Junípero Serra
 * Elizabeth Ann Seton
 * Kateri Tekakwitha
 * Augustus Tolton

Science (26)

 * John James Audubon
 * Alexander Graham Bell
 * Norman Borlaug
 * George Washington Carver
 * Thomas Edison
 * Albert Einstein
 * Milton Friedman
 * Grace Hopper
 * Edwin Hubble
 * Mary Jackson
 * Katherine Johnson
 * William Mayo
 * Maria Mitchell
 * Samuel Morse
 * Jonas Salk
 * Nikola Tesla
 * Dorothy Vaughan
 * Wright brothers §

Astronauts

 * Neil Armstrong
 * John Glenn
 * Christa McAuliffe §
 * Sally Ride
 * Alan Shepard

Other historical figures (33)

 * Hannah Arendt
 * Crispus Attucks
 * Clara Barton §
 * Todd Beamer
 * Daniel Boone §
 * William Bradford
 * Andrew Carnegie
 * Whittaker Chambers
 * Johnny "Appleseed" Chapman
 * William Clark
 * Samuel Colt
 * Christopher Columbus
 * Davy Crockett §
 * Herbert Henry Dow
 * Peter Drucker
 * Amelia Earhart §
 * Mary Fields
 * Henry Ford
 * Johns Hopkins
 * Steve Jobs
 * Pierre Charles L'Enfant
 * Meriwether Lewis
 * Louise McManus
 * George P. Mitchell
 * John Muir
 * William Penn
 * Paul Revere
 * Betsy Ross §
 * Sacagawea
 * Anne Sullivan
 * Sam Walton
 * John Winthrop
 * Lorenzo de Zavala

Do you mind if I archive this section? Of course, the markup will be kept for future reference, but this way the table of contents won't be stretched because of all the subsection headings? Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Please archive. Thanks. NedFausa (talk) 16:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Undivided list
For anyone who might find it useful, and until it can be added to Trump's executive orders at Wikisource (which I don't know how to do), I am posting the undivided January 18, 2021, list here, sorted alphabetically by surname and wikilinked for convenience. Names marked with § were included in the July 3, 2020, executive order. NedFausa (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ansel Adams
 * Samuel Adams
 * John Adams §
 * Muhammad Ali
 * Luis Walter Alvarez
 * Susan B. Anthony §
 * Hannah Arendt
 * Louis Armstrong
 * Neil Armstrong
 * Crispus Attucks
 * John James Audubon
 * Lauren Bacall
 * Clara Barton §
 * Todd Beamer
 * Alexander Graham Bell
 * Roy Benavidez
 * Ingrid Bergman
 * Irving Berlin
 * Humphrey Bogart
 * Daniel Boone §
 * Norman Borlaug
 * William Bradford
 * Herb Brooks
 * Kobe Bryant
 * William F. Buckley Jr.
 * Sitting Bull
 * Frank Capra
 * Andrew Carnegie
 * Charles Carroll
 * John Carroll
 * George Washington Carver
 * Johnny Cash
 * Joseph H. De Castro
 * Joshua Chamberlain §
 * Whittaker Chambers
 * Johnny "Appleseed" Chapman
 * Ray Charles
 * Julia Child
 * Gordon Chung-Hoon
 * William Clark
 * Henry Clay §
 * Roberto Clemente
 * Grover Cleveland
 * Red Cloud
 * William F. "Buffalo Bill" Cody
 * Nat King Cole
 * Samuel Colt
 * Christopher Columbus
 * Calvin Coolidge
 * James Fenimore Cooper
 * Davy Crockett §
 * Benjamin O. Davis Jr.
 * Miles Davis
 * Dorothy Day
 * Emily Dickinson
 * Walt Disney
 * William Donovan
 * Jimmy Doolittle
 * Desmond Doss
 * Frederick Douglass §
 * Herbert Henry Dow
 * Katharine Drexel
 * Peter Drucker
 * Amelia Earhart §
 * Thomas Edison
 * Jonathan Edwards
 * Albert Einstein
 * Dwight D. Eisenhower
 * Duke Ellington
 * Ralph Waldo Emerson
 * Medgar Evers
 * David Farragut
 * Mary Fields
 * Henry Ford
 * George L. Fox
 * Aretha Franklin
 * Benjamin Franklin §
 * Milton Friedman
 * Robert Frost
 * Gabby Gabreski
 * Bernardo de Gálvez
 * Lou Gehrig
 * Theodor Seuss Geisel
 * Cass Gilbert
 * Ruth Bader Ginsburg
 * John Glenn
 * Barry Goldwater
 * Samuel Gompers
 * Alexander D. Goode
 * R. C. Gorman
 * Billy Graham §
 * Ulysses S. Grant
 * Nellie Gray
 * Nathanael Greene
 * Woody Guthrie
 * Nathan Hale
 * William Halsey Jr.
 * Alexander Hamilton §
 * Ira Hayes
 * Hans Christian Heg
 * Ernest Hemingway
 * Patrick Henry
 * Charlton Heston
 * Alfred Hitchcock
 * Billie Holiday
 * Bob Hope
 * Johns Hopkins
 * Grace Hopper
 * Sam Houston
 * Whitney Houston
 * Julia Ward Howe
 * Edwin Hubble
 * Daniel Inouye
 * Andrew Jackson
 * Robert H. Jackson
 * Mary Jackson
 * John Jay
 * Thomas Jefferson §
 * Steve Jobs
 * Katherine Johnson
 * Barbara Jordan
 * Chief Joseph
 * Elia Kazan
 * Helen Keller
 * John F. Kennedy
 * Francis Scott Key
 * Martin Luther King Jr. §
 * Coretta Scott King
 * Russell Kirk
 * Jeane Kirkpatrick
 * Henry Knox
 * Tadeusz Kościuszko
 * Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette
 * Harper Lee
 * Pierre Charles L'Enfant
 * Meriwether Lewis
 * Abraham Lincoln §
 * Vince Lombardi
 * Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
 * Clare Boothe Luce
 * Douglas MacArthur §
 * Dolley Madison §
 * James Madison §
 * George Marshall
 * Thurgood Marshall
 * William James Mayo
 * Christa McAuliffe §
 * William McKinley
 * Louise McManus
 * Herman Melville
 * Thomas Merton
 * Billy Mitchell
 * George P. Mitchell
 * Maria Mitchell
 * Samuel Morse
 * Lucretia Mott
 * John Muir
 * Audie Murphy §
 * Edward R. Murrow
 * John Neumann
 * John von Neumann
 * Annie Oakley
 * Jesse Owens
 * Rosa Parks
 * George S. Patton Jr. §
 * Charles Willson Peale
 * William Penn
 * Oliver Hazard Perry
 * John J. Pershing
 * Edgar Allan Poe
 * Clark V. Poling
 * John Russell Pope
 * Elvis Presley
 * Jeannette Rankin
 * Ronald Reagan §
 * Walter Reed
 * William Rehnquist
 * Paul Revere
 * Henry Hobson Richardson
 * Hyman Rickover
 * Sally Ride
 * Matthew Ridgway
 * Jackie Robinson §
 * Norman Rockwell
 * Caesar Rodney
 * Eleanor Roosevelt
 * Franklin D. Roosevelt
 * Theodore Roosevelt
 * Betsy Ross §
 * Babe Ruth
 * Sacagawea
 * Jonas Salk
 * John Singer Sargent
 * Antonin Scalia §
 * Norman Schwarzkopf
 * Junípero Serra
 * Elizabeth Ann Seton
 * Robert Gould Shaw
 * Fulton Sheen
 * Alan Shepard
 * Frank Sinatra
 * Bessie Smith
 * Margaret Chase Smith
 * Elizabeth Cady Stanton
 * Jimmy Stewart
 * Harriet Beecher Stowe §
 * Gilbert Stuart
 * Anne Sullivan
 * William Howard Taft
 * Maria Tallchief
 * Maxwell Taylor
 * Tecumseh
 * Kateri Tekakwitha
 * Shirley Temple
 * Nikola Tesla
 * Jefferson Thomas
 * Henry David Thoreau
 * Jim Thorpe
 * Augustus Tolton
 * Alex Trebek
 * Harry S. Truman
 * Sojourner Truth
 * Harriet Tubman §
 * Mark Twain
 * Dorothy Vaughan
 * C. T. Vivian
 * Thomas Ustick Walter
 * Sam Walton
 * John P. Washington
 * Booker T. Washington §
 * George Washington §
 * John Wayne
 * Ida B. Wells-Barnett
 * Phillis Wheatley
 * Walt Whitman
 * Laura Ingalls Wilder
 * Roger Williams
 * John Winthrop
 * Frank Lloyd Wright
 * Orville Wright §
 * Wilbur Wright §
 * Alvin C. York
 * Cy Young
 * Lorenzo de Zavala


 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

With this edit the preceding undivided January 18, 2021, list was incorporated in its entirety into the article space, rendering this section of the talk page superfluous. NedFausa (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Overlapping categories
Taft was both president and Supreme Court Chief Justice. Davy Crockett was a congressman. Jim Thorpe was a Native American. Not sure if any should be double-listed or redesignated. 24.198.138.81 (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Right, this is the problem with arbitrary/subjective categories. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What a trivial objection. Taft is primarily known for having been president. Davy Crockett is not remembered mainly as a congressman. Jim Thorpe's heroics were as an athlete, not as a Native American. NedFausa (talk) 20:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , No, this is important. I imagine soon enough we'll start seeing sources with commentary on the total number of women, the total number of African Americans, total number of former presidents, etc. These will allow us to add claims about specific groups of people. See National_Statuary_Hall_Collection. We don't need to subdivide the group just because. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 21:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)