Talk:National Indoor Football League

Standards for Defunct/Failed Expansion Teams
Regardless of what you guys try to do. The NIFL will continue to play. Three new attorneys are on board now. In fact, three good attorneys that will expose who ever that tries to demean the league in a manner that warrants retaliation from a legal perspective. I'm sorry you guys want the league to dissapear. The league has also hired a new PR firm that has the experience to reach the media as you guys have been doing in a negative way. The league is under new management. You can not penalize others for the mistakes that you believe others made. It's sad that the NIFL in the past did not tell its side of the story. This league under new management and the new owners who are willing to make this league capable of what everyone knows and believe to be a league with a lot of promise are excited about 2008 NIFL playing season whether you guys who are writting these negative stories like it or not. Question: What standard should exist for teams in this area? I wonder if teams that were declared as expansion but then quickly disappeared (i.e. Topeka Top Guns: announced then disappeared a month later) should be listed. I feel as though a team should at least have existed beyond being merely an idea or a proposal. One should have at least have set up some operations beyond an exploratory committee. Otherwise, this article could get extremely long (as many others could) if someone started searching archive.org for old listings of teams.Mateinsixtynine 03:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Answer: Because, as the sub-header points out, some of the teams were Failed Expansion Teams. In other words, an attempt was made to expand into a city, and the attempt failed.Phydeaux72 11:00, 07 March 2007

Recent Edits
'''There is someone that is trying to delete every "negative" yet true fact on this wikipedia page. C. Shriver, stop trying to distort the facts. Your league is dead. We know you're on the run from the law. Before long you're going to be in jail. How do I know this? Because Cleveland Gary is covering your back for you and not telling anyone where you really are. You can run for now, but not forever. Your creditors, the players, and the law are looking for you and will be expecting some answers when you show up. You're a despicable human being.'''

The NIFL is currently playing. It is not defunct. There has not been any official announcement of the NIFL folding. Looking forward to the 2007 NIFL Championship game.

Wyoming at San Diego is a huge NIFL game. Winner will be on track to face either Fayetteville or Greensboro in the 2007 NIFL Championship. NIFL is not defunct yet.'

This game you speak of Wyoming at San Diego Never took place in the playoffs. There was only one game that took place in the playoffs and that was Wyoming at Fayetteville. And that was not for the NIFL Championship that was a game to get closure on a pathetic display of a season that the NIFL put together. The NIFL cancelled nearly 80% of their games last year. They didn't pay players on their league owned teams and didn't even have equipment for most of them. They let down their players coaches and fans in a big way. Carolyn.. You know this to be true there is newspaper article after newspaper article about it. There are players coaches owners and venues that will back it up as well. What do you have to say about that. Don't bother deleting this cause it will be back again the next day after you do. From GoCavs1 if you want my information to prosecute me call the Laytons they know how to get ahold of me!

This is a talk page, not the main article. Do not delete comments here. Also, if you write a comment here, please add in four ~ at the end to sign the comment. Mateinsixtynine 12:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Only factual information should be posted here. There has not been any official press release of the NIFL folding. Who will win the 2007 NIFL Championship? I'm going with San Diego.

'''Someone has deleted information here in the past. The NIFL will never officially admit failure, therefore one does not need an official press release to classify this league as defunct. Someone (probably Shriver) deleted my previous comments here stating that there are INFACT NO TEAMS LEFT IN THE NIFL. Every team that started this year in the NIFL that hasn't yet folded (aka has non-NIFL ownership) has stated that they've cut all ties to the NIFL and are now playing as independents. This has been well documented in the press. There are no teams left in the NIFL. How do you suggest that the league is still around? --OneBetter 16:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)'''

If anyone puts an insulting or slanderous remark about any person even in this discussion, they need to post their name and contact information. If they are not prepared to legally pursue their slanderous remarks, then they are obviously maliacious lies. Put your contact information and prepare for legal action if you are trying to post lies or just put no information. I am Carolyn Shiver and am the person who can and does know the truth about me. If you feel there is something wrong with me, be ethical enough to say who you are and be prepared to defend yourself in a court room if you are in the wrong. Your ability to type is all you are exhibiting thus far. I do not have the time to keep correcting your edits and lies so please be kind enough to stop.

Edit warring
I confess to knowing virtually nothing about indoor football, but I can see a pointless edit war when I see one. I don't seem to see the "it's defunct" claims really being backed up, certainly not the mutterings like "serious concerns of fraud on the part of the NIFL"...

Please discuss the article here and come to a compromise, rather than warring pointlessly on the article itself. Shimgray | talk | 21:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a compromise won't happen. One person (Carolyn Shiver) has too much interest in making all negative stuff about the league gets removed (which the current version has). If you need proof, just look at the history in both the regular page and talk pages, and you'll see IP addresses pointing to cable modems in one city removing large chunks out of both pages. In the old revision (check history), in the opening paragraph, there is a link to a press release from a team saying all the teams are done with the league. I think the "defunct" claims could go either way, personally. Nevertheless, I do think the sections on 2006 season, 2007 season, and team listings (current and teams disappeared this past season) should be in the article. Mateinsixtynine 08:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but simply reverting to put long rambling badly-sourced comments back in is just not appropriate. If you feel this material should be included, please work on it from scratch; be clear, concise, cite sources *alongside specific remarks*, and refrain from speculation. and then we'll see what the result looks like. Saying "oh, the other side won't compromise" is by no means a license to just stick your version back in! Shimgray | talk | 16:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The new stuff seems a lot more reasoned. One thing that's confusing me - the May 2007 stuff is described as "the ten remaining teams", but the linked URL just talks about them as ten teams. Do we have a source defining them as the only active ones left?


 * Of the 10 teams, 9 were under independent ownership and 1 (Atlanta) was in the process of being sold. The rest were owned by the league.  The 14 other teams could continue playing games (San Antonio did play one), except due to lack of money and lack of home field to play games for most, they were folded at that point.  These teams were created primarily to ensure opponents for the 7 non-league owned teams in the league but not having to travel long distances for games.  But in a nutshell, most of the other teams were still operating until that point.  Mateinsixtynine 19:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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 SAN DIEGO WILL HOST THE 2007 NIFL INDOOR BOWL

Please see http://www.fayettevilleguard.com/. I have tickets for the indoor bowl that say Fayetteville on them. Also, the "Goodbye NIFL party" will be in Fayetteville as well. I guess that means the NIFL is leaving. Asdfate 21:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The NIFL has been poorly run for most of its history, but, this year, it has basically become the indoor football version of the new ABA. All you have to do is look at the schedule page at the official website: http://www.niflfootball.com/content/scores. The last three weeks of the "season" have hardly any games played, and they haven't played a game in a month. As stated above, there have been various articles about the teams leaving the NIFL because of the poor running of the league:

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/07/07/sports/pro/4cd3c33df7424e698725731100012723.txt

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=267323

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070623-9999-1s23shockwav.html

http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2007/07/03/sports/pro/367f9b7cfd1b17d28725730d000cbd9c.txt

http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2007/06/13/sports/sportstop_story/33d026bbb5099351872572f80083ca17.txt

So, while it isn't "dead" because the heads of the league are keeping it "alive", it is all but dead from a playability standpoint, at least until a solid group of teams and owners are announced for a 2008 season. Dletter 15:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Some more information to back up the claims:

OSC's results page, showing pretty clearly that the league hasn't been able to play most of its scheduled games: http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/schedule/?l_id=75

OSC article about the "renegade" championship game: http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3506364

Source
After two of the breakaway teams (Fayetteville Guard and Wyoming Cavalry) played a non-sanctioned "championship" game in July 2007, the Guard indicated on their website that they were planning to join the AIFA for 2008.

A reliable source for this is desirable. Thank you. ——  Eagle 101 Need help? 05:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The reliable source took itself down - I would have pointed you to the Guard website, but it's not there right now. When it comes back, I'll move the text back.  Until then... no source, no edit. :) -- Robster2001 00:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:COI
As many people who follow the league on the message boards know, | this posting was made on another site attempting to raise $5 million for this league and owners. Since the person has been involved in editing this page, I'm adding in a COI tag for those who don't follow the message boards or this league to note. Mateinsixtynine 06:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hooray for another protection
Right now, there's two sections that our "anonymous" keeps deleting. Aside from one person not liking them, there's no reason for them to be deleted, although I do see a reference should be added to one (the other already has a reference). If the anonymous editor would like to explain why they should be deleted, I'll be listening. Mateinsixtynine 07:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please post link where the NIFL officially folded in 2007. Without the official word from the "league", the 2007 NIFL season was completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.199.164 (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay: Playoffs:  None held.
 * July 2007: 13 Games Scheduled, 1 Games Played, 1 Game with replacement opponent
 * June 2007: 65 Games Scheduled, 8 Games Played, 2 Games with replacement opponents
 * May 12-31 2007: 43 Games Scheduled, 5 Games Played, 2 Games with replacement opponents


 * Not exactly a completed season there. Mateinsixtynine 09:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

You did not answer the question. Please provide the official link from the NIFL office stating that the league folded. If you can't, the 2007 NIFL season was completed.


 * The NIFL office can say whatever they want. Propaganda isn't the same as facts. Dletter (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

There is no necessary terms that says the NIFL has to declare itself dead for it to be dead. The league started their season last year on March 17th...nine days til the anniversary of the start of last season, and there has been no news, either from the league or from independent sources, indicating a 2008 season. There are a few headlines on the NIFL's website that mention 2008, but the articles datelines are from over a year ago, save an article from May 4th, 2007 stating: "Sixteen NIFL Teams will play 2008 season". At what point of a lack of news can this league be declared belly up? -69.29.230.106 (talk) 04:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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