Talk:National Liberal Party (Romania)

PNL leadership timeline
Good day! I made this thread on the talk page in order to ask for guidance regarding the PNL leadership timeline which is exposed vertically to the right just underneath the leadership section. In the meantime, because I wasn't able to update this timeline, I've imported another one from, if I'm not mistaken, the corresponding article on the Italian Wikipedia. Now, I'm wondering whether it is possible to access the old one in order for it to be updated with the correct presidency span, since it looks rather messy right now, with multiple former presidents over-imposed onto one another. Therefore, is there any user here who could help me out? If so, I see no point in keeping two distinct presidency timelines, hence we should just stick to the vertical one once it is fully updated to the present day. I'm very much looking forward to any proposed solutions.

--Rosenborg BK Fan (talk) 09:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The one you added looks better. IMHO we can delete the other. I don't think there's any way to avoid overlapping names due to its scale.Anonimu (talk) 13:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

--Rosenborg BK Fan (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC) Can someone please fix the error which is currently showing up for the second leadership timeline. I for one can't seem to find a proper workaround. Thank you very much in advance!

English refs
This is English-language wikipedia. Please improve the article verifiability by adding more English-language sources. `'Míkka 18:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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"the neutrality of the state in moral and religious issues"?
How can anyone claim that such a religionist party,filled among others with the Christian-Orthodox legionnaires who once infested the former Communist Party,supports the neutrality of the state in moral and religious issues ? During the former Tariceanu government PNL proved to be one of the most religionist fascist parties in Europe. Didn't Tariceanu government erase the Evolutionist Theory from Romanian public schools ? Didn't Romania become the only European country where Evolutionism was banned in public schools under Tariceanu's government ? Didn't the Minister of Education refuse to take away the legionnaire Christian-Orthodox icons from public schools ? Didn't PNL oppose the decriminalization of prostitution ? Didn't Norica Nicolai declare that prostitution is a sin and her party is enforcing the Christian morality ? How can a party that takes away Evolutionism from schools,puts Orthodox icons and Orthodox sermons in public schools,puts prostitutes in jail because they are sinners,force non religious students to abandon the public schools and remain without education and diplomas,how can such a religionist party be described as supporting the neutrality of the state in moral and religious issues? Azdfg (talk) 16:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The lede
The National Liberal Party (Romanian: Partidul Național Liberal, PNL) is a liberal[8] political party in Romania. I know that liberal has different connotations in different parts of the world, but this is very confusing for North American readers, for whom the word liberal means something different entirely (i.e., left-leaning). Could we please choose a different word that will be understandable to the maximum number of people?

This isn't about my country vs. your country; this is about making the article the most comprehensible to the most people. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, no one's edited this talk page in 5.5 years, so I'm just going to change it. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is an English language wikipedia, not American English wikipedia. European liberal parties are described as liberal on Wikipedia, 'despite' being on the centre-right, and rightly so as that is factually and technically accurate. Also, the cited source states that the PNL is a liberal party without the conservative- prefix, and we should not misrepresent the content of referenced sources. I agree that the PNL is mostly a conservative-liberal party, and have doubled-up the Nordsieck reference into the opening sentence of the article.--Autospark (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Autospark, you are wrong. Change liberal to conservative because all EPP parties are either conservative or christian democratic and PNL is NOT a leftist party. Dude, this is English language Wikipedia, not Romanian.
 * Liberalism is only viewed as a left-wing ideology in the United States. Wikipedia is not Americentric. All that matters is that the PNL identifies itself as liberal. Charles Essie (talk) 23:50, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

PNL
PNL is now a member of EPP. So PNL is a CONSERVATIVE political party, not a liberal one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.97.205.218 (talk) 15:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Identifying as Liberal does not mean that others cannot make an objective assessment otherwise based on implementation. Party politics themselves are in a state of flux in Romania, look at the number of mergers and demergers going on, so this is a question that can be asked of other parties as well. If the PNL should be described only as 'Liberal' then what is the new Alliance of Liberals and Democrats party? Endrū Hejs (talk) 22:55, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Conservatism
Ludovic Orban's faction has recently become national-conservative and social conservative. Rares Bogdan also insisted on the social conservative values of the PNL. So, I think that these 2 ideologies should be added, at least in the "factions" area. Here are some sources: National conservatism: Social conservatism: RAMSES$44932 (talk) 08:43, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

National liberalism
The PNL is also national-liberal party. It says even in its name. Despite the fact that in recent years it focused more on economic liberalism, PNL still identifies with being national-liberal and with a vague nationalistic sentiment RAMSES$44932 (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Cuts needed
We currently have 15 paragraphs for 1990-2020 and 13 paragraphs for the past year. Given that this year has not been particularly eventful by the standards of Romanian politics, WP:UNDUE clearly comes into play. The article is supposed to provide a general overview of the party’s history, not chart daily and often trivial ins and outs. — Biruitorul Talk 19:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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Conservative party, not liberal
Source that describe that the party used to be liberal, but, since the fusion with the PDL and the association with the EPP, the party is conservative and "liberal" only in the name: https://romania.europalibera.org/a/ciuc%C4%83-candidat-unic-congres-onl/31793366.html

Other source that describes the party as conservative https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/romanias-new-conservative-socialist-government-sworn-in/ RAMSES$44932 (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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Recent editing of questionable nature
This page, along with the Social Democratic Party and the National Coalition for Romania pages have in recent months been heavily edited by users who seem to only add "information", of a rather controversial nature, stating that this coalition and the parties composing it are essentially turning Romania into a dictatorship, but without much concrete elements to back such a heavy claim except for some dubious sources wich redirect to one or two obscure news websites who clearly position themselves in the opposition. Also, now even a facebook post of an individual journalist was added as a "reliable source" for backing that claim of Romania being "an authoritarian regime". That doesn't seems enough to me to warrant such edits. Snarcky1996 (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)