Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Stephenson County, Illinois

County Courthouse
The Stephenson County Courthouse that was listed on the NRHP isn't standing any longer, in fact it was replaced decades ago. The Register just missed it, Illinois' IHPA, the state preservation office, does not list it in its NRHP properties for Stephenson County. I am going to remove it if no one protests.--IvoShandor (talk) 04:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed. Consensus by silence. However, the evidence I cited above is suffcient. I can provide links above if needed but the photographic evidence compiled at Category:Soldiers' Monument (Freeport, Illinois) shows the location of the old courthouse and illustrates that it is no longer there. The current courthouse was built in the mid-1970s and per NRHP rules would be ineligible for listing, so there's no chance that is the building the NPS listing is referring to. The old courthouse was quite beautiful, I have seen photos, but it is, alas, gone forever. --IvoShandor (talk) 07:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition, I am almost 100% positive the Chris Jensen Round Barn is no longer standing. If it is it is NOT at the location the NRHP lists. I used the location map included with the nomination materials in my search for it. I found every single other listed round barn in Stephenson County but could not find the Jensen Round Barn. There's a chance it's overgrown, or part of it is standing in its location. If anyone has any information to confirm my first-hand (original) research please note it here. For now I am going to leave it listed. The IHPA informed me that they are trying to alleviate some of the problems in the HAARGIS database which lists on the NRHP properties with links to their nomination materials, so maybe when those changes go online the updated list will reflect its loss. If it was delisted, the NPS would have documentation of that somewhere.--IvoShandor (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just noticing this now. Actually deleting a NRHP listing from an NRHP list-article due to demolition of the building goes against practice that has evolved in wikipedia.  There are indeed many cases, and I assume you are correct here too, where an NRHP-listed building or structure has been demolished and "should have been delisted" by the National Register.  But, these are still listed on the National Register.  So, I believe it is proper to show them as listed, but note they are demolished.
 * Further, what has evolved is a process of noting NRHP information issues at wp:NRIS info issues, including notes like you just provided above. The idea is to report the issues to the National Register in batches, so that the National Register will correct its records.  In these cases, they would probably consult with state-level officials and begin a process of formal delisting.  I know you haven't been active in the NRHP wikiproject so I imagine you are not aware of these newer practices.
 * Anyhow, I think the right thing to do here is to show the listings, but state in the comments that the places have been demolished and/or give any other infromation. I could try later also to copy your notes above over to the NRIS info issues page and to further clean up in this way.  Certainly it is great that you are working with IHPA and encouraging them, by that, to update their database and hopefully the national database.  Hope this is helpful. doncram (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, further, if/when the places are formally delisted, practice is usually now to include a delisted places section at the bottom of the NRHP list-article, reflecting that the place was an NRHP but has been delisted. This is fairly common in NRHP list-articles now (for one example, see National Register of Historic Places listings in Missouri, Counties D–I).  There are past discussions about this in archives of wt:NRHP. doncram (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then include them in their own section but it is misleading, and incorrect to include them among listed properties. How, praytell, can a building that no longer exists be listed? The NRHP database errors should not be repeated here, that makes utterly no sense. I can see, as usual, accuracy is not as much as a concern as toting the official NPS line. Do you work for them or something, good christ, you are insufferable.--IvoShandor (talk) 10:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was restored to the list by another editor. No, I don't work for the NPS, i am a volunteer editor as are most participants in WikiProject NRHP. doncram (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)