Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington, D.C.

Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington, D.C./archive 1

Former NRHP listings, DR listing status, and other issues
The article should have a table listing any former NRHP listings in D.C. Following is a list of places, noted by APK at wt:NRHP, that have DR listing status. If DR means the sites are former NRHP-listed site, then they should be included in such a former table. If DR means the site was not listed, perhaps because of owner objection, then they should not be listed in the article, IMO.

Editing slightly from APK's post at wt:NRHP, APK noted that the Elkman infobox generator reports DR abbreviation when describing the following nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com listings: Also, APK thought the Postal Square Building (former City Post Office) and GPO were NRHPs. doncram (talk) 21:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Rawlins Park, #77001626
 * British ambassador's residence, #73002307
 * Western Union Telegraph Company Tenley Site, #04000449
 * Mitchell Park (different from the Anthony Holmead Archaeological Site listing), #86002184
 * Mary E. Surratt House, #04000118
 * Owl's Nest, #01001365
 * Codman Carriage House and Stable, #96000733
 * USS Barry (DD-933), #90000332
 * Fort Lesley J. McNair, #78003527
 * Senator Theater, #91000462
 * Zink building, partially demolished ; ;
 * Piney Branch Quarry Site, #82005168
 * Oh, i thought APK's post at wt:NRHP was a few days old, i didn't notice it was new, or i wouldn't have copied the info over to here. There are some general aspects of the questions that are relevant in the general wt:NRHP, tho some seems very specific to this list, too. doncram (talk) 21:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The White House and United States Capitol aren't on the list. Is that intentional?  APK  How you durrin?  23:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Research issues and boundary increases to edit
Moved out from the article, the following are research issues and/or boundary increases (that should be edited into the location and date columns, and should be edited into the individual NRHP articles). I'm moving them out just to keep them recorded, while i myself am taking a break from this list-article. Feel free to address and strike out, or just leave them recorded. doncram (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Capitol Hill Historic District (Boundary Increase) boundary increase to revise location in table and to edit into article
 * 2) Engine Company 29, not in table, is this new entry or non NRHP? It is NRHP-listed. ✅ 9 years later. --Doncram (talk) 20:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) Civil War Fort Sites (Boundary Increase), boundary increase to record into location in table and into article (to be created)
 * 4) Washington Navy Yard (Boundary Increase), boundary increase to recored into table location description and its article
 * 5) Springland Springhouse-Springland (Boundary Increase) boundary incresase to record in table loc desc and in article
 * 6) Fourteenth Street Historic District (Boundary Increase), boundary increase to add info into loc in table and to develop in article, to be created.
 * 7) Sixteenth Street Historic District (Boundary Increase)  boundary increase to develop in 2 places
 * 8) Chapel Hall, Gallaudet College.  Not in table, is this sep listed?  See Gallaudet College Historic District
 * 9) Dupont Circle Historic District (Boundary Increase).  Boundary increase for editing in 2 places
 * 10) Old Engine Company No. 26.  This is different than Engine Co. No. 25, in table?


 * I don't know who posted this message, but I'd like to know about Engine Company 29 myself. I see three images in the WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Images without refnum, for that firehouse and even if there's just the redlink I'd like to be able to put NRHP tags on the images. -User:DanTD (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The list was by me back in 2009. It only took nine years to address one of the items, i.e. to create an article for Engine Company 29 and to add it to one of the NRHP list-articles.  User:DanTD, can you possibly find your way again to those images?  Searching in Commons just now, I find a "Hope Hose Company No. 6 and Fellowship Engine Company No. 29" but that is in Philadelphia, instead.
 * I don't know if the other items have been addressed properly. Searching in Elkman's NRIS interface just now on "chapel" in DC, I don't see a separate listing for anything at Gallaudet, though. --Doncram (talk) 20:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

split and followups
I split the big table into 4 quadrants to separate articles, and started a Washington Mall / National Mall section to keep in the main article. That brought file size from 140,399 bytes down to about 16,000. The NW quadrant article has 102,087 bytes on its own. Surely there are some missclassifications and some individual rows will need to be moved from one article / quadrant to another. Hopefully this is a good start for the split. doncram (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There are a bunch of row moves needed, from the Other catch-all area in the list-article here to National Mall area table or to the quadrant tables in separate articles. Correct destinations must be obvious to some who know what are the quadrants and where these places are. What exactly are the quadrants, is it a matter of dividing at exactly the Capitol building on N, S, E, W lines radiating?  Or do you take lines from there to the N, E, S cornerpoints of the District, which might not be exactly the same?  I'd like it if someone else would move rows as needed.  For example, isn't the Jefferson Memorial considered to be in the National Mall area?  If so, its row could be moved from the "Other"-type table.  I could move that one but I think it would be easier for someone else to move others. doncram (talk) 17:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're correct, Doncram. Boundary lines for the quadrants radiate due east, west, north and south of the Capitol. I think most addresses probably have the quadrant in the street address. For sites that don't have a street address or that don't have the quadrant identified in the address in NRIS database, one must check a map to see the quadrant in which they're located. For example, the Arden Building is on Connecticut Ave NW. The Jefferson Memorial is relatively close to the Mall, but not directly on it as are the Lincoln Memorial, Washington Monument, the Capitol Building, the Vietnam Memorial and a number of the Smithsonian museums. As to whether the Jefferson should be listed among sites that are in the "National Mall area", it's a little subjective, but I would vote yes.


 * By the way, kudos on table-izing DC. It was long overdue. I was going to make it my next project after I completed Virginia, but when I saw that you were already working on it, I decided to turn to North Carolina. --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it wasn't just me, if u meant me. It looks like User:Marcbela got it into table form, and APK added pics and otherwise brought up to this Feb 20 version.  But I did some more development, before fading away with hopes that others would take over again.  It was kind of fun to work here with a whole lot of people watching.  The only similar experience i've had is with List of RHPs in OR, still not completed, where there was a lot of knowledge reflected in the old-style list, different than the NRIS-based tables.  Oregon has the additional complication of a state list, which differs from the NRIS tables (errors on both sides).  Sheds light on inaccuracy of NRIS.  Many new listings, announced in the National Register weekly listings, don't appear in NRIS, seemingly just being data entry omissions. doncram (talk) 22:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then, kudos all around. --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

address change
i copied and pasted this from the Saint E's talk page. i also added the reference to the end of the address in the table on the article page. it is reference #5:

hey everyone. not sure if anyone else knows this, but the mailing address to the hospital has changed. it used to be 2700 Dr Martin Luther King Jr Av SE. the new address (for both sides, east and west) for both sides of the campus is now 1100 Alabama Avenue SE. due to the massive construction and the adding of DHS to the campus, the main entrance and address has changed. i dont have a picture of the main entrance, but the next time im in the area ill snag one and put it on there. Im changing the address, and putting a link to the reference behind the address. The only reference to this that i could find online is actually already listed as a reference in the article. it is here: (from the DC Dept of mental health website on St E's Hospital)- http://dmh.dc.gov/dmh/cwp/view,a,3,q,516064.asp

look at the bottom of that page. you will see the new address there. if i find any more references ill add them on the page as well. the reason why im writing this is so that everyone knows why i made the change, and so a revert war doesnt erupt about a trivial fact. feel free to reply with any questions, ill be happy to answer it if i can.

they are in the process of shutting down the east sides main entrance from king avenue, so the new "main" entrance is on the alabama av side of the east campus. im also in the process of changing the address on the list of historic and national registered places pages on wikipedia, because a couple more have the old address listed, and i will copy and paste this talk section to those pages as well to avoid any confusion. have a nice day! thank you all for your time.

note: the address changed about 6 months ago. there are very few references available online that reflect the change. im currently looking for more. MACKDIESEL5 (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * i also changed the address of Engine 17 to the correct address. The correct address is 1227 Monroe St NE. I added a reference to this as well. see the article page. have a nice day! MACKDIESEL5 (talk) 23:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikimania in DC
A year from now Wikimania will bring Wikipedians from all over the US and all over the world to DC. It would be a nice present for the visitors to have a fully illustrated and red-link-free List of RHPS in DC ready for them. There are now about 88 sites not illustrated and about 220 red links. This is too much for 1 editor to fix easily, but if 4 or 5 editors get to work on it now, it should be a piece of cake. All the sites should have their nomination forms on NRHP Focus. 88 photos might normally take 5-6 full-day photo trips (since I'm in Philly, I can only commit to 2 or 3 days), but if local residents made a habit of carrying their cameras and a list of needed photos, the missing photos could be greatly reduced.

Probably the first thing to do, is to re-split the divisions of this table. 388 in the NW table is at least two times too much. It makes the table slow to load and to edit and difficult to find info in. I'll suggest that we re-split along the following lines:
 * 1 table for the mall, downtown (say south of K Street), and the citywide sites (the Statuary of the Revolution, Civil War, etc.) - this would be most of the tourist area stuff.
 * Divide the rest of the NW quadrant into "East of Rock Creek" and "West of Rock Creek"
 * Do away with the unknown division - most of them already have quadrants noted in the entry!
 * Leave the rest as is - or perhaps put the 20 SW sites into the Mall-Downtown list.

I'd guess that the 2 NW lists and the Mall-Downtown list would each have 100-150 sites, so it would be a fairly even way of dividing the NW.

Probably the key to getting these lists ready for Wikimania is to have enough editors working on it to make it fun, rather than a chore. I'll contact 10-12 editors who should have some interest and expertise in this area. If 4-5 participate then it should be easy. Comments or commitments to help, listed below, would be very welcomed.

Smallbones (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, will start the red link filling. Slowking4 : 7@1|x 17:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can help as well. I know the District fairly well, and the Metro system, so I would be interested in taking some of the pictures. Farragutful (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Fantastic. I'll see if the new divisions are as easy as I think they will be!   Smallbones (talk) 21:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * i started in with American Revolution Statuary, and Civil War Monuments in Washington, DC which are kind of listy, but show the public art articles already done.
 * i used Civil War Defenses of Washington for "Civil War Fort Sites", since it was already there, and the NHP has multiple penciled in titles.
 * used Columbus Fountain for "Union Station Plaza and Columbus Fountain" the hopeful sign is that some of the red links may merely be title confusion. Slowking4 : 7@1|x 23:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * hmm there is also a Columbus Circle (Washington, D.C.) Slowking4 : 7@1|x 15:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Railroad Retirement Board Building and Social Security Administration Building (Washington, DC) appear to be the same Wilbur J. Cohen Federal Building. one city block; north entrance and south entrance. given the precedent of National Portrait Gallery (United States), Smithsonian American Art Museum will keep separate. Slowking4 : 7@1|x 15:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * redirected Uline Ice Company Plant and Arena Complex to Washington Coliseum Slowking4 : 7@1|x 22:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * East Potomac Park, West Potomac Park, and Potomac Park, but not East and West Potomac Parks. will keep separate. Slowking4 : 7@1|x 16:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

New split for list
I've posted the new list National Register of Historic Places listings in western Washington, D.C. which is a list of all sites in the NW Quadrant, west of Rock Creek (including Theodore Roosevelt Island where it may not be immediately obvious that it is west of Rock Creek). There are 101 sites listed there, with 4 duplicates (which extend east of Rock Creek).

NO- I'm not done yet - although this could just be split off of the 388 site NW Quadrent list. It's not as easy as I thought completing the split. There are bad coords, that horrible "Other" list and the multi-location listings. Plus I'm not entirely sure that all the sites made it through the last split. In any case, today I will complete the National Register of Historic Places listings in central Washington, D.C., which is the NW Quadrant south of M street and east of Rock Creek, plus the mall, as well as  National Register of Historic Places listings in the upper NW Quadrant of Washington, D. C., which is everything in the NW Quadrant north of M Street and east of Rock Creek. The central list has about 145 sites, the "upper NW Quadrant" list (can anybody think of a better name?) - which is further along - has 151 sites with at least 5 duplicates extending into other districts. Once everything is up, it will still take some work to verify that everything is where it's supposed to be. Any help with the verification would be appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the basic setup is there - but it needs a lot of checking. In particular I'm missing 1 site!  All I can do tonight is put in a footnote "The disparity in the figures is being addressed" and get to work on it tomorrow.  Smallbones (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

unsnapped list
unillustrated sites according to the old split Smallbones (talk) 05:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that there is an NPS DC "itinerary" with about 100 sites listed, articles written by NPS staffers, and some very small photos, generally marked NPS. Start at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/travel/wash/sitelist.htm
 * Smallbones (talk) 02:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Missing listings
The following properties don't seem to be on any of the lists. They may have slipped through the cracks during the Great List Subdivision:


 * Dumbarton Bridge - Q St. over Rock Creek Park, NW.	73002080	1973-07-16
 * Engine Company 29 - 4811 MacArthur Blvd. NW	07000534	2007-06-06
 * Lincoln Memorial - West Potomac Park	66000030	1966-10-15

Oops, forgot to sign. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 19:09, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Duplicates
The table at the top of the article claims there are 11 duplicates (i.e. properties included in two different sublists) but does not explain what those duplicates are in detail. It is common practice in all NRHP state lists which have duplicates among the counties to identify in a ref tag which properties are duplicated and on which lists they are duplicated. Does anyone have this information? I'd rather not search through all 500+ listings manually to find the duplicates. Thanks!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 02:01, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * American Revolution Statuary, Civil War Monuments in Washington, DC, Civil War Defenses of Washington, Capitol Hill Historic District ... slowkingFarmbrough's revenge ⇔ †@1₭ 03:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * ..Well that's 4. But what about the rest?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 05:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I figured out what you're talking about. Those sites extend into more than two counties, so each one accounts for multiple duplications. American Revolution Statuary is a collection of statues extending into 3 different sub-lists: Western D.C., Central D.C., and the upper NW Quadrant (So 2 duplications). Civil War Monuments in Washington, DC is collection of monuments included in the SE Quadrant, NE Quadrant, NW Quadrant, and Central D.C lists (So 3 duplications). Capitol Hill Historic District is included in the SE Quadrant, NE Quadrant, and Central D.C. lists (So 2 duplications). Strangely, I only see Civil War Defenses of Washington in the Central D.C. list as "Civil War Fort Sites". That doesn't give me any duplicates. Adding up the others, I get a total of 7 duplicates, not 11. Where are the other 4?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I just went through every list and checked all the sites. This wasn't a completely thorough check, mind you... I mainly focused on districts, which are more likely to extend into other lists. In my search, I found East Corner Boundary Marker of the Original District of Columbia in both the SE Quadrant and NE Quadrant. That's 1 more for a total of 8 duplicates. Massachusetts Avenue Historic District is listed in Western D.C. and the Upper NW Quadrant. That makes the total 9. Mount Vernon Square Historic District is in Central D.C. and the Upper NW Quadrant. That's 10. Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway Historic District, in both Upper NW and Western D.C.... and that's 11.


 * But wait, there's more! Rock Creek Park Historic District is in Upper NW and Western D.C. as well. Boulder Bridge and Ross Drive Bridge is in Upper NW and Western D.C. too! So instead of 11 duplicates, I actually count 13. What gives?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 19:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * i'm afraid you may have nominated yourself as the expert. (keep in mind the list splits are not by counties, not even by ward, but more arbitrary). if no one has a master (in user space), then it will be hard to be definitive; the list will change over time. user:smallbones might have more info. i'm afraid i've moved on. slowkingFarmbrough's revenge ⇔ †@1₭ 19:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I did a more thorough check and didn't find anymore. I've just added a reference to the page and changed the total number.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 22:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Confusion with 1st para
'''This is a list of properties and districts in the District of Columbia on the National Register of Historic Places. There are more than 500 listings, including 74 National Historic Landmarks of the United States and another 13 places otherwise designated as historic sites of national importance by Congress or the President. '''

Is including 74 National Historic Landmarks of the United States and another 13 places otherwise designated as historic sites of national importance  each by Congress or the President or is only the 13 places?

And if the 74 are not designated by Congress/President then under what authorization has it been done?LimeyCinema1960 (talk) 21:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)