Talk:National Union of Freedom Fighters

Internet Archive
2A00, mind explaining why adding Internet Archive in an archive.org citation clutters the references section? I don't see that— the references look just neat— and it is rightfully placed as the citation links to archive.org, aka Internet Archive. It's not the original publisher, that's why I put it in the via parameter.  Gerald WL  15:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not a publisher at all. The template documentatin says "It may be used when the content deliverer presents the source in a format other than the original ... when the URL provided does not make clear the identity of the deliverer, where no URL or DOI is available (EBSCO), or if the deliverer requests attribution.". It's not in a different format, the url makes to deliverer clear, there's a URL and an ISBN available. It's not needed at all, it's just a courtesy link for readers to access the material if they want to. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:A514:75C1:53AC:5581 (talk) 16:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying "publisher" in a literal term, like a website. Content deliverer basically. The documentation you quoted stressed "may", which means it just hints at an instance when via can be used. Before your quotation, it stated, "via is not a replacement for publisher, but provides additional detail." I think IA qualifies this. Take the example of Template:Cite journal, where Project MUSE is used as an example, despite there being a URL.  Gerald WL  17:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Journals are different from books. All IA does is provide an image of the exact same book you would get in a library. It doesn't help readers understand the subject knowing the book is "via" anything. The important points are the bibliographic details of which book/which edition. The link to an online version is a courtesy to make readers' lives easier if they want to check up on it. If anything, the lack of a "via" field is a benefit to readers to declutter the citation. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:A514:75C1:53AC:5581 (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)