Talk:National University of Colombia

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Camilo Torres was a professor, not an alumno, of Universidad Nacional of Colombia

Opinion based claims
"It is considered the best university in the country and leads the way in education in Colombia" is written in passive voice and does not represent a verifiable fact. it would be best to write " it has been ranked 1st in the country, according to xxx newspaper" or "it appears ranked xxx according to the study published by yyy" if such information exists. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carlosj (talk • contribs).


 * Exactly. I removed that phrase. Per WP:NPOV a published reliable source must be provided. --Canaima 16:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Misleading information
I tried to revert the last two changes by Ricarrillo but i can't. Anywhere, i erased that because is lie. 201.228.95.10 21:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Coat
We need an image of the coat, it used to be one but was erased. I don´t know much about copyright or trademark, but I think it falls under fair use. See here for the actual coat.Canaima 23:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked Logos an upload an appropriate image of the seal.Canaima 01:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Protest
I removed the articles at the beginning of the "Protest" section, because they are not related directly to the National University. I remember these news when they appeared, and the universities mentioned in that report didn't include the university. Moreover, I read again the articles, and the name of the university is, again, not included there. -- Sergioroa 07:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, those isn't proper references; actually they didn't mention the university. This section should be rewritten (indeed, the whole article) to provide more context and a better account of the subject. Canaima 21:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * there are other things more important to name of the University, they do not damage the name of the most representative and important University of Colombia --Rubashkyn 01:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that there are other things more important that the protests, and those thing should be given priority if one has to choose what he will write on. However, that said, I believe that the riots are a part of the Nacional and should be mentioned. I do not think that they would damage the name of the Nacional. Why do you think so? Protests show that the students are passionate and expressive. Many people find that inspiring. Others don't; but in an encyclopedia article you can't choose what to include based on how people will react. You have to report the facts and let them draw their own conclusions. It would also be important to mention that not all of the students participate or support the riots (although I don't know how we could cite that). That said, I don't think we need to upload any pictures of the encapuchados- that might scare people a little bit :)PGScooter (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Rewrite of the article should follow the structure described at WikiProject Universities. The article of Rajshahi University could serve as guide. Also, a reference to the Spanish Wikipedia is not appropriate, it must be to a primary source (published). --Canaima 17:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added some sections, and tried to organize the article to follow the rules of the WikiProject Universities. I believe some sections should be removed, but I'll leave them until a consensus is reached. The sections are: Location and Gallery. Pictures should always be in thumb, without size specified. I suggest to organize properly the campus section with information about all the regional campus. Remember that if a new article for a regional campus is created, it must follow the rules e.g. National University of Colombia, Medellin or National University of Colombia, Manizales, and so on. The article in general has too little information. I suggest use the Spanish one as reference, but trying to follow the project rules. Andremun (talk) 19:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. The sections Location and Gallery should be removed, Commons is a better place for the last. If you could start the articles for the satellite campuses, that would be great. Finally, I think there is a potential problem with the logo, it might be a trademark of the university, I haven't found info at the UN's website. --Canaima (talk) 20:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Logo Discussion: The logo might be used under fair rationale.  I think all logos are indeed trademarks for each organization, but in this case, it complies with the use to identify the organization.  I'll start organizing the campus section, including the leads in the principal page (this one) and maybe starting the others.  I might have to get some basic information, and maybe I might need an example of a Satellite campus article. Andremun (talk) 04:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, it may be used under a fair use rationale, but then it couldn't be hosted on Commons per this policy. So the discussion should be on whether it is acceptable for that image to be in Commons, but I suppose it's fine to use it, even if most other articles on universities follow this guideline. Maybe you could use University of California, Riverside as an example--Canaima (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to add that this logos are made so the institutional image can be used in related documents. I think this can be applied in this case.  Besides, why should the university make available its logos so it can be downloaded from its web page, if not to be used to represent the university? Andremun (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * My main concern is a similar image was deleted in the past and the current might be challenged again, but I have no problem with it. I'm wondering now if it wouldn't be more appropriate to use the black and white version, because it's more common. --Canaima (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Campus Merge
The presentation made in this article about the campus is quite poor, and the article associated is to short for a single one. The main page could be greatly improved in this two merge, rather than having two poor ones. Andremun (talk) 05:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Neutral. I agree, the info is quite poor, but the other article has a very serious redaction problem, so merging it as is would degrade this article. Also maybe it is notable enough to have a separate article. --Canaima (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of rewriting the article to use it as a section, and not pass it verbatim. I agree that it is notable enough, but until more information is available the article is far from a decent one.  Also, I think it should be renamed.  I suggest pass the information (rewritten) to the main article, and from the existent information, create a lead for the campus article, also include a campus infobox.  Also it should be convenient to search for a featured article as reference for the campus article. Andremun (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's great you're thinking about rewriting the article; what name do you propose? I couldn't find a featured article, but maybe Campus of Michigan State University, which is a good article could be helpful. --Canaima (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit wars
I've noticed that there is a minor edit war with the sentence "the university is the largest and most important higher education institution of the country". I've also noticed that the dispute seems to come from an University of the Andes, Colombia editor. I agree that maybe "most important" should be dropped unless a verifiable source is added. For both editors that are removing/adding this sentence, get over it. The National University is still the most active research university in the country (several verifiable sources an prove that, while Los Andes claim is only based on the QS ranking). Nevertheless, I agree that Los Andes is a fine university, and credit must be given when due. Regards - Andremun (talk) 13:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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Not neutral and not verifiable proposition
In the introduction, the phrase "The National University of Colombia is widely known as the best Colombian university" is a not verifiable proposition; an opinion. It shouldn't be part of a serious text about the university.