Talk:National accounts

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Proposal to Merge with National Income and Product Accounts
There is a much more complete page called National Income and Product Accounts on the same topic. This page should be merged into that one, or possibly just redirected. --Rinconsoleao 14:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

National Income and Product Accounts is more complete as to its subject, but national (or social) accounts is a more general term that includes NIPA, as the Ruggles reference indicates. See also JEL classification codes. The difference is picked up in part there by the distinction between "Measurement and Data on National Income and Product Accounts" and "Wealth." The first are flows, the second is a stock (as in Stock and flow). There is no reason to blur this analytical distinction or to swallow Wealth into NIPA, which merger would do. The present article needs continued improvement, but merger might make this less likely. --Thomasmeeks 19:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * A little follow-up. Merger necessarily necessarily be similar to the title of this article, since "national accounts" is more comprehensive than National Income and Product Accounts (Ruggles, 1987), including all these:
 * national balance sheet as to assets on one side and liabilities and wealth on the other
 * accounts associated with international capital flows and foreign transactions
 * Flow of Funds
 * input-output tables
 * At least these are mentioned in the current article. They would be overshadowed in a mergeed article with NIPA.  That is an argument against marger.  There is, IMO, no necessity for merger and a significant argument against it.  Why let each continue to gtow, without allowing the other to obscure it?
 * I see that the merger proposal has been withdrawn from the NIPA article.
 * --Thomasmeeks 11:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Strongly disagree with this proposed merger, National account refers to the general concept while National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA) is a specific application in a certain country.
 * I strongly agree with the opinion of User:Thomasmeeks above
 * —-— .:Seth Nimbosa:.  (talk • contribs) 06:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The Merger template for the article was removed after Talk discussion and prolonged opportunity for discussion & request for comment of proponent for merger. --Thomasmeeks 16:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

"National account" returned to plural "National accounts"
No explanation was given for the earlier change of article name in July 2007, but the singular "account" is inconsistent with standard usage, for example the UN citation in the present article "National Accounts Statistics" and the plural usage of the term in the Ruggles article, also mentioned in the present article. --Thomasmeeks 13:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Overview of National Accounts be merged into this article. This article needs to be an overview level article that covers what national economic accounting is, and how different countries use different sets of national accounts. It should be relatively light weight - leave intricate discussions of how the accounting is performed to more detailed pages (GDP details, Input/Output accounting, social accounting, theory, what countries use what systems, etc to other more focused articles). This article needs to absorb material from Overview of National Accounts and then trim everything here a bit - sending those details to the more in-depth subsidiary articles. (talk) 05:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Overview of National Accounts was redirected to System of National Accounts. FYI.

wbm1058 (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Original redirect was incorrect. Corrected to point to this article.Rick (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:System of National Accounts. wbm1058 (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * System of National Accounts (SNA) is more specific that this overview article. SNA provides some solid guidance of how national accounts should be set up, however its up to each country to adopt, in whole, or in part. Several major countries do NOT follow SNA and instead have their own set of accounts. Countries that generally use SNA have significant variations. Therefore SNA cannot be the "top level / global" article on national accounts.Rick (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Onel5969 deleted all content of the former Overview of National Accounts article noting ''Nothing in this article is cited. New information, with citations should be added to target article.''. This is the proper target article. Material from the old article see [] needs to be adapted and included in this article, with citations. End of merger discussion. Rick (talk) 22:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

This article needs to be global and overview in scope
Several major countries use different sets of National Accounts. Ideally each major country's current system "architecture" should be over-viewed here with a section and a descriptive paragraph or two.

At the top of each of those sections should be a hat note to the main article. Example:

Examples of sections that should be in this article:
 * System of National Accounts - specific article on the former UN System of National Accounts, widely adopted by many nations
 * European System of Accounts - mostly SNA but some adaptations
 * European System of Accounts 2010 - []]
 * National Income and Product Accounts - USA
 * France - unique system, documented where?
 * China - see [], moving towards SNA?

Quite a bit of material from a former parallel article is missing here. See [[[]. Citations are needed.

Should also have a section on Global Economic Accounting and perhaps an entire dedicated article. This covers global input/output, comparability across nations, etc.

Might also consider merging or better delineating content here and in Measures of national income and output Rick (talk) 19:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

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