Talk:National and regional identity in Spain

Nonsense
This article has no sense! How can you include Murcia into Andalucia, or talk about ambiguos provinces? Whoever has entered this article has no idea about Spain, or wants to give a false image of it. Please erase this confusing article asap! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.217.103.246 (talk • contribs)
 * I agree that at least the first map should be removed, but maybe we should make a poll.
 * Regarding that map it is stated: "Identity ambiguous regions and provinces (written in italics) have been quite randomly assigned." Those identities are explained below, and since all of them have similarities in their cultures to adjacent regions' well-established cultures...
 * Here we've got the first offended Spaniard

The maps are incorrect


 * This is one of the worst articles I´ve read in Wikipedia. I tried to edit, but half way through I just decided to vote for the direct REMOVAL of the whole article. It´s fool of POV, incorrect data, awful grammar, and ridiculous assertions. I will like to see a good article about this subject, most of the regional articles about Spain have a good quality but this one is a ludicrous propaganda pamphlet.N.

Terrible article. I vote for removal and star over. Incorrect data and complete ignorance of politics in regional Spain. I am from León, and the so-called nationalist flag showed is just the plain simple flag of the city, the one we use everyday. There is a nationalist flag, but not that one... More research, please.

Maps
I think that maybe that map can be improved, because it absolutely ignores Murcia, Valencia and Extremadura, regions where there are important regional identitary sentiments.


 * Yes, you're right, but as long as Valencian, Murcian an Extremaduran people consider themselves primarily Spanish, they belong to Spain thanks to their relation with the historical Kingdom of Castile, not by themselves.
 * I also find conflictive to set a Valencian nation apart from Catalonia, since their language it's the same.
 * I think that the third map is more accurate, but clearly unacceptable.
 * The second map is probably the only one acceptable (except the fourth one that is an actual fact), but in that one the status of Asturias inside Leon can be debatable too.


 * In the first map Castile has exactly the wedge shape of the spread over the peninsula of the Castilian language.

___The "detailed map of languages" included at the end as an external link (http://www.proel.org/lenguas2.html) is very inaccurate: the range of catalan in valencia is totally incorrect. the official division accepted by the Generalitat Valenciana and unvariable in all other maps (for example in the wiki section on catalan language it is correct). to be specific, catalan is spoken in morella, vilafranca, font de la figuera and el carxe. in the map, the line is about 5mm too far to the right! equally, it is not spoken in segorbe, but on the map its is thrown in. change it!

thanks, from valencia

Zamora
Zamora should be included too in the identity ambiguous provinces, since most of the people there think of themselves as Castilians and not Leonese.

"Regionalism"
I'm not sure if I should include Party of La Rioja (it got 7,31% of votes in May 2003, municipality elections) as a regionalist movement, since the controversial "regionalism" movement (often underlings of PP) does not actually represent a regionalist movement further than having an autonomous community.

XV century??
In Spain only exist two important nationality movements, Catalan nationality movement an Basque nationality movement. The others movements are minoritary (-25% population in Galician) and the others nationalities movements are minoritary (-10%population). In Spain 75% of people consideres only Spanish. This article shows the situation of Spain in the XV and XVI century. Best wishes from Spain