Talk:National forest (United States)

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6th paragraph
The 6th paragraph is extremely confusing. Can anyone explain it? It is poorly written. Listroiderbobtalk'tribs▆ 01:32, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ The version at issue in this comment can be seen here NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:26, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Possible Sources
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-with-the-most-national-forests.html List of states with most national forests

https://bestmapsever.com/pages/united-states-national-forests-national-grasslands-list National forests with year of establishment and state location

https://www.thoughtco.com/complete-list-of-american-national-forests-1343075 Names of national forests in each state

Added these references as they pertain to where the National Forests are. JBecker370 (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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Two issues
1. Under Geography: "Some 87 percent of national forest land lies west of the Mississippi River in the mountain ranges of the Western United States" This is a bit ambiguous. Is it 87% west of the Mississippi, or 87% specifically in western mountains? There are national forests west of the Mississippi which are not in mountains (such as the four in East Texas and the Samuel R. McKelvie in the Nebraska Sandhills), as well as some in mountains which are west of the Mississippi but not in the "Western United States" as usually meant (such as the Ozark-St. Francis, Ouachita, and Mark Twain, which are in the Ozark and/or Ouachita Mountains area of Missouri/Arkansas/Oklahoma).

2. In the timeline under 1922: "which changed the national forest service from a conservation organization to one that focuses on the logging industry.[4]" This is cited to a Sierra Club source, but is still possibly POV if stated in authorial voice as a fact (rather than as a claim by the Sierra Club or other environmental advocates). My understanding is that the Forest Service tries to balance both roles (as well as other land uses such as recreation). Vultur~enwiki (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * To 2, it wasn't until the Multiple-Use Sustained-Yield Act of 1960 that it began to explicitly balance both roles, so I don't think the wording for 1922 is inappropriate. To 1, I just calculated that 12.1% of NF land is east of the Rocky Mountains. Updating both in the article, thanks! Reywas92Talk 05:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

1. OK, I can see that. That seems fair for that time period.

The timeline wording overall still feels faintly POV to me (for example, the entry for 1973 makes it kind of sound like the Endangered Species Act was specifically directed against the logging industry) but I am not sure what exactly it could be changed to.

2. Thank you, that's much clearer. The newer wording also seems clearer that the 12% in Alaska is included in the 87% in the Western US. Vultur~enwiki (talk) 15:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)