Talk:National parliaments of the European Union

Judiciary equivalent?
I propose an analogous article National supreme courts of the European Union. This book, Les Juridictions des États membres de l'Union européenne, is a useful monograph on the topic. – Kaihsu (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

EU Senate
I propose an article about an EU Senat and what constitutes a Senatorial system, and how the current EU system deviates from such system - and in the long run how a senatorial system would embark the Union onto a path of democratic division of powers.

An EU-Senate would be constituted by the equal representations from each national parliament, the role which EU COSAC has today. With an EU Senate, the national parliaments would thus vote (with equal votes due to national equality, that is, due to national soverignty) as a second equal co-legislative chamber and thus replacing the current system with the councils of ministers.

This would introduce Europe to the concept of Division of Powers, as a development of the (in Europe much used) system of parliamentarism. In a system with Division of Powers, government ministers, kings or presidents are not allowed to legislate as this task is solely the domain of parliament. The German system of a Bundesrat, as well as the EU system with a legislative council of governments would in the light of Division of Powers be deemed undemocratic as government ministers in those system are leaving their executive domain and entering the legislative domain of the higher union level. This is considered democratically blasphemic in a system with Division of Powers.

With division of powers, the executive branches (the governments) in the member states as well as the EU commision would constitute a vertical group, the executive branch of government. This branch would lead governmental agencies and bodies on European or national levels. It does not mean that the Commision would be more of a "government" or that the EU more likely would proclaim an independent national state. The changes would of course be on the Union level. Each parliament still legislates on the national level in their own domain. No further power needs to be transferred to the Union level due to the replacement of the Council of Ministers with a Senate.

The second vertical group would, in a system of Division of Powers be the legislative branches: the European parliament, The COSAC/SENATE, and the national parliaments and assemblies would be the only ones with power to legislate.

The third governmental power, the judicial system would be the third vertical governmental branch employed with interpreting the law and issuing judicial descisions, without interference of politicians from governments or legislators.

A system with the division of powers differs from parliamentarism in this: in parliamentarism, the political parties appoints judges and legislators, the latters who then appoints government officials among themselves.

A system with a Senate means that the different populations in the Union are represented through the EU parliament, whilst the soverign states which constitutes the Union are represented through the Senate.

A system with a Senate, with national parliaments taking over the role of the council of ministers, does not mean a further transition of powers from the national levels to the union level and it does not constitute the EU to become a federal superpower. Those are differnt things. A Senate and division of powers only turns the EU more democratic as it involves the national parliaments and excludes the executive branches from doing legislative work.

Recall that the sovereign state of Germany, the Bundesrepublik Deutschland, has a system similar to the current EU system with the Bundesrat acting as the EU council of ministers, which has not stopped the Germans from living in a soverign state. In other words, the Division of Powers is in itself not a way to soverignize and create an EU nation. It merely divides the powers of government into executive, legislative and judicial branches regardless of whether "government" pertains to a country or an organisation such as the EU. 83.177.143.51 (talk) 17:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


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