Talk:National sport/Archive 1

Another classification - "Native Sports" ?
There isn't anywhere in wikipedia where there is a list of sports that originated in a country. These would by default be important to the culture of a country. For example, in Australia, the native sports are Two-up, Australian rules football and Australian handball. These are all important to Australian culture, even though they are neither universally popular across the nation or recognised as a national sport. Obviously a lot of sports would have originated from places like England or Ireland though, so that list might be quite large, but useful nonetheless. Do you think this is the article to put it ? --Rulesfan (talk) 00:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think this article is the right place for it but it certainly a good idea for a list some where else Gnevin (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely, a list of sports by country of origin. Of course, this would be impossible to determine for some sports, so only including those with a clear, reliably sourced, single country of origin might be a good idea. There's also the general problem that comes with this necessarily being a list by historical country, but I think that can be solved. -- Jao (talk) 12:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Two-up? Australian Handball??? Please tell me your pulling the proverbial. The-Pope (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Link to Another Article
I remember there's another article that lists all national sports by country in the world. I couldn't find it, so I ask please someone to add a link to this article.82.154.82.37 (talk) 11:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It used to be here, but it looks like it was hosed in an attempt at encyclopædic integrity. I’m really disappointed. I found it a really useful and interesting article. —Wiki Wikardo 01:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I really don´t understand why that happened. It was one of the most usefull and interesting articles in Wikipedia. Can any Wikipedian explain better why the article was removed ? Thanks.82.154.83.34 (talk) 00:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Because we can't say something is the national sport of a country unless a reliable source says so. The current list is what people have found reliable sources for. Please add others if you should happen to find more. (By the way, the former list was moved to "List of sports by popularity by country", which was deleted in August for these reasons.) -- Jao (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

South Korea
I've read from TIME Magazine (unsure of exact issue) that Starcraft is "South Korea's unofficial dominant national sport". --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs 10:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * South Korea has an Official national sport. So we would need some strong refs to add starcraft and to make a note in the article some where Gnevin (talk) 11:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd also find it difficult to believe that is said without tongue firmly in cheek. - fchd (talk) 14:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Brazil
Can someone verify the source on capoeira being the official national sport of Brazil since 1972? While googling for support I found a source which seems to contradict this: "The Angoleiros' efforts to separate Capoeira Angola defeated the attempts of the authorities and the social elite in the 1970s to unify capoeira as the Brazilians' national sport." (Google book search citing The Hidden History of Capoeira by Maya Talmon-Chvaicer. /Dcastor (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Bahamas
The national sport of Bahamas is stated to be sloop sailing since 1993. All online mentions I can find of a national sport for Bahamas claim cricket. Is the given source (a book, which I can't check) reliable? (Some sources contradicting sloop sailing as national sport: Waterfront, Press release from the government of the Bahamas, and another government press release.) /Dcastor (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * yes government sources do disagree with there being a push to make it that national sport Gnevin (talk) 17:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

South Korea
The source for taekwondo being the national sport of South Korea does not support the claim. It supports that taekwondo was supposed to be given the status, but doesn't state if or when it actually happened. Any better sources available? /Dcastor (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you ask User:Jnestorius as s/he added all these refs as far as I know Gnevin (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll put a note on the user's talk page. /Dcastor (talk) 17:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Bahamas, Brazil, Korea
In response to Dcastor, the relevant cites are available on Google books. I agree that the Korean cite is vague; and on review, the Brazil one is too: "a national sport" is not necessarily "the national sport". The Bahamas cite stands up on its own, but the counter sources suggest that either the authors made an error, or that whatever official action was taken in 1993 has either lapsed or been forgotten.
 * Bahamas: "Sloop sailing was officially declared the national sport of the Bahamas in 1993"
 * Brazil: "In 1972, capoeira was officially proclaimed a Brazilian national sport"

More generally, in non-democratic countries, the dictator of the hour can declare whatever he likes, and even if it's not specifically repealed once he's ousted, whatever legal status it had might be de facto dismissed. Since Korea and Brazil were non-democratic in 1971/2, that may be relevant in those cases, and perhaps some of the others.

Thanks for running a skeptical eye over these; I'm all for removing poorly-cited claims, and have done so here. If anyone has better information they can be re-added. In cases where one source says X and another says Y, the ideal source is one that says "some sources incorrectly say X whereas in fact Y". jnestorius(talk) 17:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. I was raising the issue while rewriting the Swedish article on this subject and checking the iw links found a huge variation between projects. /Dcastor (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Israel's National Sport is Bulldozing
Is this in reference to their foreign policy, primarily in the Gaza Strip?Dave clark86 (talk) 11:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

National sport of spain bullfighting?
Is bullfighting even a sport? It's even banned in some autonomous communities (canary islands) and it will probably be banned in catalonia in the near future. Football (soccer) is more of a national sport in Spain. Im going to change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.39.120.107 (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

National pastime
Why? —Wiki Wikardo 03:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Your version was a bit redundant because of the following sentence. This might be better. Equazcion  ( talk ) 03:33, 25 Mar 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, totally; I knew it sounded shitty, but I decided that was somebody else’s problem. The thing is, “national pastime” refers specifically to baseball… not any national sport of any country, and I don’t think that’s ever been reflected in the edits.
 * But, yes, someone needs to make it less clunky. —Wiki Wikardo 04:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the term is used for other countries' sports too. A cursory Google search shows lots of results for "Canada national pastime". I haven't looked into how many are reliable, and don't have the time at the moment, but there's someplace to start. Equazcion  ( talk ) 04:46, 25 Mar 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell it’s not a uniquely American phrase… but then it doesn’t refer to sport. Ghits from .uk referring not to baseball include: Internet piracy (France); shopping (UK); talk[ing], and largely moan[ing] about British weather; the UK Lottery; drinking mate; clock-watching; commiting hoaxes; hating the Bolton Wanderers; taking offence; staying in bed and rutting like a wild thing… you get the idea. Nothing about football, rugby, curling, tiddly-winks, etc. There do appear to be some valid hits on .ca for `national pastime', but I can’t tell how much of that is derived by analogy to their southern neighbours—and ice hockey is hardly a “pastime” in the same way that knitting or tea and cricket or watercolour is. —Wiki Wikardo 05:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I reworded it again to hopefully address this. Let me know what you think. Equazcion  ( talk ) 11:28, 25 Mar 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh. No offense, but that’s even more of a clunker. I’m not saying it’s an easy fix, though; if it were, I would have dealt with it myself. I’m reverting to the previous version; although I’m not sure if it conjures baseball in Canadian use, it refers to hockey often enough I’d say it’s a North American phrase with some currency. Maybe I’ll have time to take my crack at it sometime soon. —Wiki Wikardo 02:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Iran
Varzesh-e Pahlavani (wrestling) is the de- facto national Sport of Iran (however football today is most popular today). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.251.113.62 (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

POV-De Facto Sports
I just added the POV template because I think it's impossible to classify a sport as national sport if there's no clear consensus of what a national sport is (which I cannot imagine there is). A link to an article about some Dutch speed skaters trying to get Americans geared up for speed skating is not a good reference demonstrating that speed skating is the national sport of the Netherlands. Other sports which could classify as the Netherland's national sport might be football (by far the most popular sport) or korfbal (an indigenous sport and very popular in previous decades). I guess something similar is going on with other countries. Therefore I suggest the complete removal of this part of the article. -195.240.170.18 (talk) 10:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

P.S. when we call something the "National Sport #1" (Volksport nummer één) we usually do not refer to a sport, but we cynically refer to a somewhat negative characteristic of Dutch people.

American Football
Isn't American Football considered one of the flagship sports in the US given the media attention it gets and its ubiquitous reference in popular culture there (especially with the Super Bowl)? --210.5.176.105 (talk) 14:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * According to Condi it’s “a kind of national pastime.” —Wiki Wikardo 04:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/weekinreview/01curtis.html
 * In terms of TV ratings, popularity of the sport at all levels from youth to professional, gambling dollars, and any other metric, baseball may be the national pastime, but gridiron is America's national obsession.75.54.121.203 (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would put both. I feel like baseball is declining...or maybe thats just because I live in Yankee country and they havent done whell since the early 00s lmao.--Metallurgist (talk) 15:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Quality of references
I'm trying to improve the quality of references and removing those relying on dubious ones. Some just look like the first google searchresult.
 * For the Cayman Islands, the cite for cricket was from the government website but was quoting a guy who'd just sponsored the cricket team.  Other googlehits  assert soccer   and fishing      as national sport.
 * For England, is a site of no authority and stating "cricket is officially recognized as England's national sport" is news to me.
 * For Japan, how reliable is googobits? Is Sumo more national than judo, say?  Our Sport in Japan article says only "There is no legally official sport of Japan, but the Japan Sumo Association describes sumo as the national sport of Japan, with baseball as the most popular spectator sport of the country.".
 * Spain: cite is from 1922
 * Russia: cite is in Russian.  Google translate tells me it describes three ttraditional Russian sports, but does not designate any of them as the national sport.

I think judging between these is WP:OR so I've just deleted them from the table for now. jnestorius(talk) 18:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough . Nice work on this article by the way Gnevin (talk) 07:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Since then, we've got Cricket being listed as England's national sport supported by a single telegraph article from 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.20.229 (talk) 17:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Image
The list on French Wikipedia is, IMO, better. Also, they have an image: File:WM Sport National.png. Should we include it? Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Edits need sources
To all recent editors, as of now every line in the list has a reference. If you disagree, you MUST provide a stronger reference than already here. Just because you "know" that sport A is more favourite than sport B is not (and never is) good enough reason to edit the article. You may, however, start a discussion here ask for other editors' input, research sources and determine a consensus on what should be changed. --Truther2012 (talk) 14:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * @Truther2012: - every single one of those was referenced. And in many cases, I just used the existing reference which was wrongly cited. Now, if you don't like the sources, will you help me find better ones, rather than putting incorrect information? Also, knock it off with the trolling and telling me what I MUST do. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 17:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Looking at the diffs, I see you citing Wikipedia itself as a reference. That won't work - please bring in the applicable reference from those articles to replace those internal cites. I'm not saying your changes are wrong; there may well be variations between sources, or, as some of your edit summaries imply, things may have changed and the specific-country articles be more up to date. But please document it. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, so you don't think you MUST provide sources, I don't know what to say to that. How do you imagine wikipedia work without sources?
 * Now, to your edits, I give you three examples:
 * - Canada - already listed in de-jure, how is listing it again in de-facto make it better?
 * - Venezuela - the source clearly says "volleyball is a national sport", how did you interpreted that as "baseball"?
 * - Pakistan - yet another one, source says "field hockey", how did you interpreted that as "cricket"?
 * The list goes on. Having done this many incorrect edits, I have no patients on keep on undoing them one by one. If you feel that I am incorrect in doing a wholesale edit, I can do it independently, unless you would like to take this opportunity and correct them yourself. Cheers. --Truther2012 (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , so, you are clearly not the kind of editor who seeks consensus with the rest of wiki community. After failing to get any attention from you to the issues above, I will have to revert your edits once again. --Truther2012 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't see this talk before I reverted but those changes where not up to the required standard, you can't reference wiki Gnevin (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Venezuela
, Venezuela's embassy page (i.e. government source) says their national sport is Volleyball. Yes, there are other sources that claim Baseball, which is why we should show both. --Truther2012 (talk) 21:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you're radically misreading the source. It spends 3/4 of the page on baseball, then lists other popular sports below, of which one, volleyball, is introduced with "As a national sport ..." - which does not mean it is one of the two national sports with baseball! Note that the sport mentioned immediately below that - basketball? - is introduced by saying it's second most popular. Please revert yourself. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hold on, how is it misreading? The source clearly says "Baseball is the most popular competitive sport in Venezuela" followed by "As a national sport, volleybal...". To me this is a clear endorsement of one sport as most popular and another as national. A sport does not have to be most popular, second popular or even third popular, in order to be "national." And yes, we do have conflicting sources, hence the "or". --Truther2012 (talk) 22:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In this instance it's clearly using "a national sport" to mean "a sport played throughout the country". Otherwise, you would need to cite all the others that are presented on that page together with volleyball. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, I dont seem to be able to find a single additional source to support volleyball. This could be a matter of mis-translation. Will remove.
 * On a separate note, the second book source for baseball strikes me as much stronger, being an academic-standard doctorate thesis on the country. Thus, there is no need for an "international pastime" source. --Truther2012 (talk) 14:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Consideration

 * a sport or game that is considered to be an intrinsic part of the culture of a nation

This consideration intrigues me. Considered by whom? (Anyone able to get his material into a newspaper?)

Incidentally, the "references" in this article seem scrupulously done in their way; but, well, they are presented as references. It is very strange (to put it mildly) that for example a "reference" for the assertion that field hockey is the national sport of India bristles with sources for the assertion that In 2012, official statements were published that hockey was not the national sport. How about "India: sometimes said to be field hockey[references]; sometimes said not to be field hockey[references]"?

I sit typing this in Japan, where a vanishingly small percentage of people other than small children play sumo, described here as the national sport. Its popularity as a spectator sport continues to sink. Playing baseball is popular among boys, young men, a small percentage of girls, and I suppose, hidden away somewhere, some women. The number of people who watch sumo is dwarfed by the number who watch baseball.

(No COI here: I'm bored by both sumo and baseball, though occasionally appreciate the unintentionally comic aspects of the latter.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Aha! The sole "reference" for the claim that cricket is the national sport of England -- "Ing-ger-land!": that's soccer, no? -- is one newspaper article, saying "Cricket losing status as national sport". Good! -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe there is also a small cottage industry writing articles bemoaning the fact that baseball has lost its mythic status as America's national sport. In countries where there is no legal statement on the issue - or where the legal statements are ignored by the majority of the populace - "national sport" will always be more theoretical than actual. IMO. Myself I don't watch any of em. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

England
Another mention of how pointless this article is. Cricket is a minority sport in England, as soccer is dominant. Soccer is also more popular than rugby union in Wales and I suspect more popular than bandy in Russia. If it is not official and not most popular, then it is pointless. Wikipedia is itself a more reliable source than the one used (which in any case refers to cricket declining in popularity in England.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevendavy (talk • contribs) 14:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

This article is pointless. A lot of countries do not have an official national sport including the four United Kingdom countries and New Zealand (despite what some web pages may claim). Finding a reference that says 'such-and-such' is the national sport of a country (where there is no official national sport) is also pointless, as there will be other references that disagree. Take England for example, the article has listed Cricket has being the country's national sport (where in truth there is no national sport), this is backed up by two references that say that Cricket is the national sport. Most Football fans would disagree. Football being the most played, most watched, most media coverage etc etc. Also if you do a quick google search, you will find many references that say Football is England's national sport. For example:-

"Our starting point is England's passion for football. It is our national sport, we have a strong football heritage which runs through every town and city."

www.timesonline.co.uk/.../sport/football/international/article6311593.ece

"The English are cashing in their national sport to earn fast money. Greed is not the only reason. No Englishman, it seems, has the vision and ability to secure an adequate profit from Premier League football as an owner."

www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jul/29/newsstory.sport

"Football - the national sport in England and Scotland - is an obsession for many British people."

ukinczechrepublic.fco.gov.uk/en/visiting-the.../sport/popular-sports

The last reference is from the British Embassy and is repeated on a lot of their sites. These references were easily found in a couple of minutes and there will be loads more. Footballworldworldfootball2 (talk) 00:45, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply: First of all England is in De-facto list, so no one is claiming that Cricket is an officially declared "National Sport of England". Second national sport doesn't depend upon the popularity or media coverage, it is more depend upon the role of that particular sport in the culture and history of the country for which it is considered as (either de-juro or de-facto) a national sport. Just like Cricket is most popular in India, but Field Hockey is the only national sport, similar cases of Sri Lanka. Even in Argentina (better example for football fans) where Association Football is the most popular sport, but it doesn't count as national sport but Pato is the officially declared "National Sport of Argentina".  undefinedBill william compton  Talk   03:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply even if you did entirely miss the point that I was making. I never said that anyone was claiming that Cricket is an officially declared "National Sport of England". I said it was pointless saying that any sport is a national sport (officially or otherwise) when there is no such thing. It is just a matter of opinion. Yes I understand your criteria for 'De-facto' national sport, but as I previously said most Football fans would disagree. This is not to say that they are right, but it is not to say that you are right either. Football is part of England's heritage according to the first quote (see above), which surely qualifies it under the 'De-facto' list. Football is the national sport in England and Scotland according to the British Government overseas (represented by the British Embassy) see third quote above, which sort of qualifies it as an official national sport. I say 'sort of' because as we know there is no official national sport, but nevertheless a claim made by representatives of her Majesty's Government surely must carry more weight than a claim made by a junior school in Kent (one of the references used to support Cricket as England's national sport). Also a reference from an embassy has been used to support the Dominican Republic's national sport, and also Norway's national sport but not England's. I collect sports books (I have over 2,000 of them) and I can quote from many that claim that Football is England's national sport, likewise I can quote from many that claim Cricket is. But as I said before it is pointless as it is just a matter of opinion, whether you like it or not. And surely matters of opinion are not considered encyclopedic information whether they be verified by external sources or not. The two Cricket references used here to support Cricket as England's national sport are the writers' opinion and are not fact.

Regarding New Zealand, according to 'The Making of New Zealand Cricket 1832-1914', Cricket was considered to be the national sport of the country before Rugby Union. (Rugby's claim as only come about in the last 100 years or so). As Cricket was the main sport at the time New Zealand was developing as a young country, some may say that Cricket has more of a claim than Rugby has to be the 'De-facto' national sport of New Zealand. Again though it is just a matter of opinion.Footballworldworldfootball2 (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a rather anglocentric view to say that - just because the concept doesn't apply for your country - it's pointless in general. Maybe some countries take pride in their national sports. Maybe it is official in some countries that aren't England or New Zealand. 70.49.24.55 (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Let's have a look at the article again, so I can explain it to you. There are forty six countries listed. Out of these 46 there are only thirteen countries that are in the official section or 'de-juro', this is less than one third of the countries listed. All the rest are listed as unofficial or 'de-facto'. Note that Argentina, Brazil and Colombia appear in both lists and Lativa appear twice (one for summer and one for winter).

Most of the national sports are debatable and rely on people's opinion. Cayman Islands, Japan, Russia and Spain all used to be listed but have since been deleted due to the quality of references. Bahamas, Brazil, India and South Korea have all been disputed. While it has also been questioned why American Football has not been listed for the United States, and since I posted my comments England has been changed from Cricket to Football. Also New Zealand, Scotland and Wales are also disputable. So it doesn't make much sense in having a list that relies on opinion rather than fact. Even when a country does pass a law making a particular sport a national sport, it often means little to the people of the country who are often more passionate about a different sport. Argentina for example have made pato their national sport, but the people are more fanatic about Football. According to this article capoeira is the national sport of Brazil, but according to the Brazilian Embassy, Football is the national sport.

So yes, with so many disputes, relying on people's opinion rather than fact it is a pointless article. I'm sorry if you are unable to understand this, but maybe you would like to explain why you feel that this is an anglocentric view?Footballworldworldfootball2 (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the basic way wiki works, people add information and others challenge in cases where multiple sources disagree well then discussion is required. If you find references which are in conflict such as Brazil highlight them. Some de facto national sports are cut and dry such as Gaelic games in Ireland while others are more difficult Gnevin (talk) 10:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

In this case it is pointless, as per my notes above these lists rely on opinion rather that fact, most of the references provided are also other people's opinions rather than fact. In Ireland's case (I assume you are referring to the Republic), this is again opinion and not cut and dry as you claim. Footballworldworldfootball2 (talk) 04:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

As an Englishman, I find it a bit strange to consider that England has a single national sport. Cricket could perhaps be considered to be the national summer sport, while football can probably lay claim to being the national winter sport, but these are my opinions, not anything authoritative and it might be worth mentioning other sports, such as rugby or tennis. I would suggest the same applies to many of the countries mentioned in the "de facto" list. Unless there is an official national sport anything mentioned is just speculation or opinion.Ma1cius (talk) 13:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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This article is a mess
First, where does the definition come? "A national sport is considered to be an intrinsic part of the culture of a nation", according to who? The only results for this seem to be people copying this definition straight from wikipedia.

Second, the de facto list is an utter mess. Scotland's national sport is apparently golf because Alex Salmond said so while promoting the successes of his political party. Well here's Alex Salmond saying the national sport is football (""There is nothing as big as football in Scotland, this is our national sport"

England, strangely, is given no less than five national sports (football, rugby league, rugby union, tennis, and cricket). This is apparently, as per the citation, because they are "traditional sports which are most popular in England". Well, why not use that metric for every other country?

Some countries are allowed to have different national sports in summer and winter; begging the question of how some European countries are able to use alpine skiing as their sport all year long.

The main problem with the de facto list stems from the definition. It's hugely nebulous and multiple sports in multiple countries can meet the bar it's set. How is football not as intrinsic part of, say, Serbian, culture? How can cricket not be considered an intrinsic part of Pakistan's culture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.219.186 (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

India
On what basis we are saying that Hockey is India's national sports (when it is not established by law!)? I think, we must change it to 'None' as nothing has been declared legally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NB0038886 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

How is field hockey considered the national sport of India and not cricket? You cannot turn on a TV in India without finding at least 5 channels showing a cricket match. --Hnsampat (talk) 23:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Just popularity of the sport doesn't make it candidate for the tag of National Sport, there are so many other factors behind this and hockey is the national sport of Indian not cricket, because it has long traditional aspects in India.  undefinedBill william compton  Talk   05:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What the hell are the criteria? The arbitrary preferences of one editor? I didnt even know field hockey was played in India. I wouldve said cricket. And the third source listed even recommends cricket.--Metallurgist (talk) 15:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think India has a national sport since nothing has been legally declared. Source : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/hockey/top-stories/Hockey-is-not-our-national-game-Ministry/articleshow/15322482.cms?referral=PM

The reference on the India line is the Bangladesh reference duplicated Raisedonadiet (talk) 12:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

De jure and de facto national sport – wording
There has been some edits by IP and seemingly India-based users incorrectly stating that the field hockey is the de jure or official national sport in India or that the de facto national sport in India is none, when the whole section is meant for unofficial national sports, or sports that are generally regarded as a national sport even in the absence of a law or decree. I would assume WP:GOODFAITH, I'm considering that there may be a better wording for the subsection titles and/or lead sentence for the subsections to minimize any further confusion. Any suggestions? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Official national sports of India
hockey is not national sports of India 2405:201:5C06:DC04:ECA6:F9C8:D7EC:A0A9 (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Correct, but it has been frequently referred to as an unofficial national sport, since India has no law naming a specific sport. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Dagestan
Should we list Dagestan, if its more of a country subdivision than a country. How would non-sovereign nations that aren't territories (e.g. British Overseas Territories) treated here? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The article appears to already treat the two as the same seeing as how Scotland, Wales, and England are all listed as opposed to the UK (plus Anguilla, Bermuda, and Turk and Caicos). That said, "nation" can be used to refer to both sovereign states and constituent states, so I don't really see a reason why the article would exclude constituent states (so long as they're "nations").


 * Saying all that, I wouldn't mind if the list were split into two for the sake of differentiation (with one list being made up of sovereign states and another subsection/list being made up of substates). Leventio (talk) 20:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Ski jumping for Poland?
I think I hear it often, but I have found only 2 really small articles mentioning it as national sport. Thedoczek (talk) 21:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Basketball for Chile?
The source linked for Chile only mentions basketball once and saying it's not more popular than rodeo1 and the source quite literally says that rodeo is declared the national sport2. I edited the page to change the sport to rodeo as the source states a few days ago but it was rolled back by @MistyKangaroo for some reason.


 * 1) Por qué causa si se hace simultáneamente un rodeo pequeño, (“pichanga”), un partido de basket-boll o fútbol, la mayoría del pueblo asistirá al rodeo.
 * 2) A reconocerse, en 1962, el rodeo como deporte nacional y oficial [10 de enero de 1962, oficio N°269 del Consejo Nacional de Deportes y Comité Olímpico de Chile], las graderías para el público debieron construirse en forma más estricta y segura, generándose las normas que ordenarían las futuras construcciones.

139.47.76.198 (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I intended to revert "Rodeol", which is not a sport, but you must've edited the page whilst just before I reverted the edit, which meant both were reverted. I have updated the page accordingly to "Rodeo" and linked it correctly. MistyKangaroo (talk) 13:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)