Talk:National treasure

this artricle is incorrect
'National Treasure' in this context refers to a human being that has led a great and insprirational life over a long time and is highly valued by their home country (usually you should be middle aged or older) it does not refer to buildings and animals as claimed in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:2B88:5700:C8F9:F40A:BCF4:CBDB (talk) 19:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Treasure
The first treasure whas found in the year 1822 Pirates Although buried pirate treasure is a favorite literary theme, Cassandra Rocks!!!!there are very few documented cases of pirates actually burying treasure, and no documented cases of a historical pirate treasure map.[1] One documented case of buried treasure involved Francis Drake who buried Spanish gold and silver after raiding the mule train at Nombre de Dios -- after Drake went to find his ships, he returned six hours later and retrieved the loot and sailed for England. Drake did not create a map.[1] Another case in 1720 involved British Captain Stratton of the Prince Eugene who, after supposedly trading rum with pirates in the Caribbean, buried his gold near the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. One of his crew, Morgan Miles, turned him into the authorities, and it is assumed the loot was recovered. In any case, Captain Stratton was not a pirate, and made no map.[1]

The pirate most responsible for the legends of buried pirate treasure was Captain Kidd. The story was that Kidd buried treasure from the plundered ship the Quedah Merchant on Gardiner's Island, near Long Island, New York, before being arrested and returned to England, where he was put through a very public trial and executed. Although much of Kidd's treasure was recovered from various people who had taken possession of it before Kidd's arrest (such as his wife and various others who were given it for safe keeping), there was so much public interest and fascination with the case at the time, speculation grew that a vast fortune remained and that Kidd had secretly buried it. Captain Kidd did bury a small cache of treasure on Gardiner's Island in a spot known as Cherry Tree Field; however, it was removed by Governor Bellomont and sent to England to be used as evidence against him.[2] Over the years many people have tried to find the supposed remnants of Kidd's treasure on Gardiner's Island and elsewhere, but none has ever been found.[1]

Over the years many people have claimed to have discovered maps and other clues that lead to pirate treasure, or claim that historical maps are actually treasure maps. These claims are not supported by professional scholars.

[edit] El Dorado In 1595, the English explorer Sir Walter Raleigh set out for the legendary city, El Dorado.[3] Naturally, the city was never found but Raleigh wrote at length about his venture to South America in which he claims to have come within close proximity of "the great Golden Citie of Manoa (which the Spanyards [sic] call El Dorado)."[3] Despite the fact that his narrative was quite unrealistic—it described a tribe of headless people—his reputation commanded such respect that other cartographers apparently used Raleigh's map as a model for their own. Cartographer Jodocus Hondius included El Dorado in his 1598 map of South America, as did Dutch publisher Theodore de Bry.[3] The city remained on maps of South America until as late as 1808[3] and spawned numerous unsuccessful hunts for the city.

The idea of national treasure, like national epics and national anthems, is part of the language of Romantic nationalism, which arose in the late 18th century and 19th centuries. Nationalism is an ideology which supports the nation as the fundamental unit of human social life, which includes shared language, values and culture. Thus national treasure, part of the ideology of nationalism, is shared culture.

National treasure can be a shared cultural asset, which may or may not have monetary value, such as a skilled banjo player would be a Living National Treasure. Or it may refer to a rare cultural object, such as the medieval manuscript Plan of St. Gall in Switzerland. The government of Japan designates the most famous of the nation's cultural properties as national treasures of Japan, while the national treasures of Korea are a numbered set of artifacts, sites, and buildings which are recognized by South Korea as having exceptional cultural value.

National treasure can be taken more literally and signify the actual monetary worth of a nation. For example, going to war can cost national treasure.

[edit] Literature The treasure map may serve several purposes as a plot device in works of fiction:

Motivation, causing the characters to begin a quest Plot exposition, explaining in a concise way where the characters must go on their quest To illustrate, at various points in the story, how far the quest has progressed. To provide conflict where, for example, evildoers attempt to capture the map from the protagonists While Robert Louis Stevenson is associated with popularizing the treasure map—and the archetypal X to mark the spot—with pirates in his book Treasure Island (1883),[1] he is not the first. Author James Fenimore Cooper's earlier 1849 novel The Sea Lions, is a tale that begins with the death of a sailor who has left behind "two old, dirty and ragged charts" which lead to a seal-hunting paradise in the Antarctic as well as a location in the West Indies where pirates have buried treasure, a plot similar to Stevenson's tale.

[edit] Film In the 1985 film The Goonies, an old treasure map leads to the secret stash of a legendary 17th century pirate, an almost exact imitation of Stevenson's plot in Treasure Island. In the 2004 film National Treasure, a treasure map becomes the source of the quest itself. In the 1994 comedy City Slickers 2: The Legend of Curly's Gold, a treasure map is made by criminals who are analogous to modern day pirates. In the film Waterworld, an extremely vague and cryptic treasure map has been tattooed on the back of the child character Enola. This map leads the characters to dry-land, which in the context of the film, was a treasure.

Europe's National Treasures
maybe you are also interested in http://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/exhibition/treasures/

It gives you all of the treasures kept by Europe's national libraries

Gr. Fleur —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.184.19 (talk) 15:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Examples
Is it really relevant to have a small selection of things, some of which have just been referred to as national treasures colloquially ? -- Beardo (talk) 02:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

People
Alan Bennett (playwriter) Judi Dench (actress) and Tony Benn (politician) are frequently called national treasures (UK)Alf Heben (talk) 09:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am taking out the dumb examples.Eiad77 (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can not control how the term National Treasure is used. National Tresure in the UK is often reserved for people rather than objects or places. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps David Attenborough and Carol Kirkwood are also considered national treasures? I've never heard of the term being used for objects or places in the UK context, by the way. 82.21.133.132 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Stephen Fry
Honestly? Does that mean anyone can become a national treasure? TheDelineator (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep, all you need is a 2:1 in English and an earpiece. Seriously though, this article is a complete mess. --86.131.51.39 (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * More and more people are being called national treasures in Britain these days. It seems all you have to do is be vaguely famous and not have been arrested for anything yucky. This phenomenon must surely have been noted in print. Victor Yus (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, if The Onion can be an American national treasure (and evidently it is, if you read this article), I see no reason to object to Stephen Fry's status as as British national treasure. Zgryphon (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree Stephen Fry is a national treasure but Stirling Moss? I doubt most people in the UK have ever heard of him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:2B88:5700:C8F9:F40A:BCF4:CBDB (talk) 19:20, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Unsigned comment
This page is garbage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.129.49.41 (talk) 14:12, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

constructive criticism
The lede/first paragraph about nationalism seems extremely misplaced. It immediately takes the reader to a different and broader subject (nationalism) that is better mentioned lower in the article, perhaps getting it's own specific section. Also, it appears pretty biased because it's plausible to have a "national treasure" without the "national" part, eg roman aqueducts that dot Europe regardless of provincial borders. The mention of the World Heritage Site fits perfectly with this. It's just a phrase really, but it's use here is almost political in nature. Either make the political implications clearer (and give them their own designated subsection) or edit it to appear more neutral. Also lower down is just has the subheading "animal" when it should be "animals".

11:10:02 UTC Monday, September 3, 2018