Talk:Nationalist Party (Malta)

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The suggestion has been made that, until the end of WWII, the Nationalist Party had elements of being a fascist or clerical-fascist movement. Thoughts? -- Stlemur 20:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree fully, people without any knowledge of Maltese politics, let alone where Malta even is are editing just because the party includes "Nationalist" in the name. Even though it is Partit Nazzjonalista, Nazzjonalista is being used as a synonym for Malta, or favour of the nation of Malta. It has nothing to do with Nationalisim, infact, the name was made well before the rise of fascism in Italy. Since most high-profile sources of the PL claim rubbish against us, the PN, these foreign editors use biased sources. 17 pounder, Self-Propelled, Achilles (talk) 18:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The slander has often been made, never substantially proven. None of the "features" of fascism you mention are evident in the pre-War Nationalist Party. It was anti-colonial (rather than exalting the nation), it never stressed loyalty to a single leader (between 1926 and 1940 it actually had two co-leaders), it was not totalitarian (it was constitutionalist demanding "quasi-dominium" status from Britain) and it hardly had a socio-economic programme.

Its collusion with the Maltese Church was incidental. Late in the 19th century Party founder and leader Fortunato Mizzi ran into trouble with the Maltese Church for his associations with Italian risorgimentisti (the Bishops went as far as to call him "inimicus homini") and according to Mintoff himself peace was made only in 1929 with the Latern Concordat between Vatican and Italian state.

Same goes for whatever sympathies they had with Mussolini. It was inevitable that with the language question the Nationalists would be Italophiles but that did not make them fascists. -- DemDem

Disagree
I disagree totally on placing the article under fascism. Kindly indicate exact proof! Maltesedog 16:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Sections
Could someone with knowledge of Maltese politics please split both this and the Malta Labour Party article into sections describing their history and their current politics, respectively? Right now it seems a bit.. cluttered, and I'm certainly not the right person to fix it since I have no idea about Maltese politics. Joffeloff 13:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Done Maltesedog 06:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The Nationalist Party won Malta's adhesion to the European Union supporting a YES vote in a national referendum beating the Malta Labour Party who surprisingly, being a traditionally leftist party, opted for a NO vote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Censutabone (talk • contribs) 21:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Centre-Right redundant?
In this edit, User:Marcus1234 wrote saying they are centre-right is redundant, since they Christian democrats. Maybe it's my ignorance, but the tie-in is not exactly obvious to me, nor clear from the linked articles. Christian Democracy says that European parties tend to be closer to the political center, or center-right., although it does not link to Centre-Right. One might think the party could be either center or right. I can't comment on whether the link you removed is correct or informative, but it seems like it may not necessarily be redundant. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 21:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

NPOV?
...it "betrayed" its orthodox principles to hypocritically... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.247.48 (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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Inconsistency in the Information Box
I think there is a fundamental inconsistency in the information box which needs to be addressed.

The party foundation date is listed as 1926 (almost certainly referring to the merger between the Unione Politica Maltese and the Partito Democratico Nazionalista). However, the party founder is listed as Fortunato Mizzi, who passed away in 1905, more than 20 years BEFORE the foundation date.

I would be inclined to suggest leaving Fortunato Mizzi as founder but changing the foundation date to 1880, which is the foundation date of the Partito Anti Riformista (a direct predecessor of the current Nationalist Party) and the official foundation date claimed by the party itself. One might qualify this by including two years under Foundation date, each accompanied by a footnote: 1880 (foundation of Partito Anti Riformista) and 1926 (merger of the two preceding parties). — Preceding unsigned comment added by JT78 (talk • contribs) 08:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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Pro-Europeanism as a political position
This article previously had Pro-Europeanism as a political position however certain users have repeatedly removed this position from the article under the argument that "Pro-europeanism is not an ideology", which whether you agree or disagree with the position itself, pro-Europeanism is most certainly an ideology. It is as much of an ideology as Euroscepticism is and even the article for Pro-Europeanism states that it is "a political position".

With regards to the Nationalist Party, they have consistently been in favour of the European Union and European integration and Europe. PN's party statute itself says on section 2 point 7 (page 4):

"[...] Il-kisbiet tal-Indipendenza u s-sħubija fl-Unjoni Ewropea huma fost il-kisbiet storiċi li sawruna f’nazzjon sovran, modern u Ewropew."

"[...] The accomplishments of Independence and membership into the European Union are among the historic achievements which shaped us into a sovereign, modern and European nation."

It is understandable to request a  tag for the position, but to say that it's not even a political position at all is just misinformation. I am proposing that Pro-Europeanism is re-added as a political position for the Nationalist Party without alteration. Dahna2024 (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Paramilitary wing is FAKE.
Tal-Ġakketta Blu, as we fondly referred to them, were nothing other than courageous men dedicated to defending democracy. They were not paramilitary and they were not armed. Their blue and black jacket was meant for identification purposes between themselves. It was heavy because it was December - cold weather normally, ay?

https://timesofmalta.com/article/ethics-my-foot.237424 17 pounder, Self-Propelled, Achilles (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. There is a huge problem here in Malta where both political parties form the historical narrative to the detriment of proper historical facts. This is a general Statement. For the merits of this particular case, I once again state that I agree with the above editor, even if the source stated is an opinion article. Mtonna257 (talk) 20:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)