Talk:Native American civil rights/Archive 1

Class project
At the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill a group of students in the first-year seminar: Cultures of Dissent seek to fill in the holes in the information on the web about the American Indians and the law.

Students who will be contributing

kay kay - sovereignty

mk - voting

andrew - gaming

brooklyn - religion

erin - fishing & hunting

A worthy topic, and one which will be interesting to read, however we don't need a description of what you plan to do on the article page. I would suggest putting together a quick summary of the issues, citing one or two sources, to hold the page. srushe (talk) 13:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to stop by and say good work so far. Keep it going :) srushe (talk) 20:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If one of the students would contact me via my user talk page or via email, I will send a free copy of my book, Wikipedia - The Missing Manual, which could help new editors with the technicalities and procedures of Wikipedia. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

AIRR Section
This is a pure copypaste from the website. This needs to be re-written, or removed. Paranormal Skeptic (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The current Religious movements have been removed until further reworking. --) Bbsteph (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Kawaiisu
I removed the following passage from User:Kawaiisu, which had been inserted into the lede. There are multiple problems with it, it flowed poorly, and in fact may be misleading—they are by no means the only tribe to have had their treaty with the U.S. broken, nor the only one to have been enslaved. Furthermore, none of this negates the sentence immediately preceding it, that they’re an exception to the “particular tension between rights granted via tribal sovereignty and rights that individual Indians retain as U.S. citizens.” "Although this is not true in California for one Tribe, the Kawaiisu Tribe of Tejon. They signed a Treaty with the United States on Dec. 30, 1849 which was ratified on Sept. 9, 1850. They were held as property (Slaves) and sold as such under the California Law for the protection of California Indians 1850, amended 1860. Citizenship was not given until 1957, under the california law of voting rights. To this day, the United States has not upheld our Treaty with them. The Kawaiisu rights under the Treaty are Hunting and Fishing, Land was never ceded, Mineral Rights, and Water Rights,and the Right to be Self-Governing. This is a battle still in the Federal Courts (Salazar vs. Kawaiisu Tribe of Tejon)."

If someone else knows more about this case or wants to do more research I have no problem with this information being incorporated per se, but I fear this particular tribe—unfortunately—is by no means a unique enough case to warrant a specific mention. —Wiki Wikardo 05:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Midterm Election Section Edit
I removed the section on the 2018 midterm election. Although there was some potentially helpful information, absolutely none of the information was cited. It is difficult to verify many of the claims made within the section. In fact, much of the writing itself seemed to be copied and pasted from a single NPR article. If that specific incidence is deemed to be of historical importance, I would suggest that it be shortened, written (not copied directly from an article), cited properly, and placed underneath the "voting" section. 98.226.126.82 (talk) 00:09, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 4 May 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Closing with no prejudice against opening a wider publicized RM, probably via WikiProject noticeboards relating to these topics. Noting further, there is no consensus for this requested move. (closed by non-admin page mover) qedk (t 桜 c) 05:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Native American civil rights → Native American rights – Article title "Native American civil rights" violates WP:COMMONNAME for the following reasons:


 * Between 1965–2008
 * Google Ngram - The term "Native American rights" is the most dominant term among the terms "Native American rights", "American Indian rights", "Native American civil rights", and "American Indian civil rights".


 * Between 2009–2019
 * Google Scholar - "Native American rights": 2,340 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * Google Scholar - "American Indian rights": 476 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * Google Scholar - "Native American civil rights": 180 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * Google Scholar - "American Indian civil rights": 135 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)


 * JSTOR - "Native American rights": 319 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * JSTOR - "American Indian rights": 72 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * JSTOR - "Native American civil rights": 16 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)
 * JSTOR - "American Indian civil rights": 15 hits (custom date range from 2009 to 2019)


 * Google Books - "Native American rights": 15 books (custom date range from 1/1/2009 to 5/3/2019)
 * Google Books - "American Indian rights": 3 books (custom date range from 1/1/2009 to 5/3/2019)
 * Google Books - "Native American civil rights": 5 books (custom date range from 1/1/2009 to 5/3/2019)
 * Google Books - "American Indian civil rights": 4 books (custom date range from 1/1/2009 to 5/3/2019)


 * Mitchumch (talk) 02:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  SITH   (talk)   11:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * "Rights" is a larger category than "civil rights" which includes group rights and other claim rights not thought of as civil rights. The article as it currently stands includes info on some of these (e.g. Fishing and hunting rights) as well as civil rights.  Therefore, the current title is not entirely accurate.  However, I would like to hear from other users before supporting a move.  Should the article's scope be limited to civil rights?  —  AjaxSmack  23:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I would suggest keep the current title but break out the sections on fishing and hunting rights and land rights into a separate article, linked from a hatnote or see also section. bd2412  T 15:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


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