Talk:Naya Rivera/Archive 1

Hollywire
Can someone please edit this in to the sources? This fixes the dead link! http://www.hollywire.com/tv-shows/all-about-naya-rivera —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.44.66.245 (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for posting the updated URL! Siawase (talk) 11:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Untrue
Recently, I approved a version by an IP editor that added the fact that she was out of glee. A day after, according directly to her, and per WP:PRIMARY, this is not true. I've removed the section. See: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/04/29/naya-rivera-glee/8491733/ for my reasoning. Tutelary (talk) 16:02, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2018
Add the following information to the end of "Career" section: Since January 2018, Rivera has played Colette Jones, high school administrator and former dancer, in the YouTube Red original series Step Up: High Water. Viribex (talk) 04:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Request to add notice
Since she was recently presumed dead, I suggest adding this notice to the top of the article: Recent death presumed --108.205.159.35 (talk) 23:15, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done QueerFilmNerd  talk 23:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Her Brother
Naya's brother is currently the starting tight end for the University of Tennessee football team. Here's a website with a news story about it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.92.232

Name
It's pronounced like the first A (Na) Is like saying I. So (n-i-u)Just made a slight correction to the page, since the pronunciation was incorrect. I hope the "nu" conveys the right pron. However, the first A (Na-)" is not pronounced as the "a" in the alphabet, but rather as in "nun". To listen to the name pronounced by Naya herself and Heather, see also the first 15 seconds of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4kYf0CnTU8 Dan8700 (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Screenplays and television scripts
I have an issue with the sentence "She has completed several screenplays and television scripts." under the Personal Life section. I cannot find any links that support that any of these were published or note-worthy screenplays/scripts. Since Wikipedia mainly publishes notable information, should this sentence be included in the article? It makes it sound as if she is an actual screenwriter, whereas this is most likely just a hobby of hers.

Also the phrase "Naya is an avid reader..." - Many people are avid readers, but is that really important/notable information to put in a biography? Perhaps if it was used to support something like "Naya is an avid reader and is associated with charities that combat illiteracy"... or something of that nature. But I don't see the point of the inclusion of that statement on its own. --Mimi C. (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2011 (U

EUDUCATION: There are NO EHNIC indigenous people from Puerto Rico. I think she means she is of Aztec Native-Indian Stock, similar to native mixture of Mexicans. Appearance wise, Ms Rivera's Afro & Native-Indian look is very prominent than the quarter percent Northern European German appearance!!

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2014
Public Image

Rivera was ranked #37 in the "Men's Health Hottest Women of 2014".


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Edit Request - Battery Arrest
Former Glee star Naya Rivera was arrested and charged with misdemeanor domestic battery after an alleged altercation with her husband Ryan Dorsey on Saturday night in Kanawha County, West Virginia, police confirm to PEOPLE. SRC: http://people.com/tv/naya-rivera-arrested-west-virginia/ 97.102.184.22 (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Not dead yet
Until she's declared dead, she shouldn't be listed as dead. MetaTracker (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We still don't know if she's dead. For all we know, she may have swam to the shore on the other side of the lake and is probably lost in the woods. Perhaps she got disoriented and exhausted, where she probably had passed out or is resting underneath a tree. She may wake up and find food to survive in the woods there. I don't see how searching the bottom of the lake will help her case. If she's dead in the lake, then she's dead. But try looking in the woods where there is possibility that she's alive because she may not have long to live. Lake searching will not do anything to ensure her survival. These cases have happened in the past from plane crashes, where people are lost in the woods and are trying to find help. – 114.198.20.55 (talk), 09:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While I do agree with you, I don't really know if that is particularly relevant to the point of this Talk section. As pointed out, she should not be listed as dead until she is either recovered as such or legally declared so and the current status of the article reflects that. — PunkAndromeda (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Page protected
Due to a large volume of bad edits from IP and new users, I've semi-protected the page (up from PC protection) for 4 days. I left the PC in place so it will revert to that after the 4 days is up. –Darkwind (talk) 07:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

In infobox: how to format age?
Sorry if this question has been asked before. In the infobox for this article, Rivera's age shows up twice, even though she's disappeared. Is this the right way to format it or is there another? -HandIsNotNookls (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2020
Naya has been missing two day’s 91.125.203.55 (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Naya went missing yesterday afternoon/evening, so she's only been missing for around 24 hours now. QueerFilmNerd  talk 23:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We now seem to have the opposite problem: the automatic calculations of the missing template have rolled onto 2 days, with 5pm in California being midnight UTC - the time and place of her disappearance means the number of days in the template will be exactly 24 hours too many if just listed as July 8, are there no time options? Basically, in UTC terms, she's been missing since midnight July 9, but the template is using midnight July 8 UTC. I've changed the template with this explanation. Kingsif (talk) 01:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you! i noticed that, but did not know how to fix it. hopefully (but sadly), we shouldn't need it for much longer :/ QueerFilmNerd  talk 01:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2020
she WAS an actress 63.230.166.180 (talk) 02:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: her death hasn't been confirmed. it'll be changed when her body is found and its confirmed. QueerFilmNerd  talk 02:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And if a body is never found she'll be alive forever on Wikipedia? Authorities presuming her dead seems pretty definitive. We can change it back in the unlikely scenario she's found alive.M.Clay1 (talk) 04:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, if either she or a body isn't found then she will most likely be declared dead in absentia, however that hasn't happened yet. FozzieHey (talk) 10:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2020
Change "missing for 1 day" to "missing for 2 days" 2600:8800:1080:8B7:5CB7:C056:A766:C5EF (talk) 20:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The template will automatically increment at midnight UTC. FozzieHey (talk) 21:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note that midnight UTC is also the time she was declared missing, so it isn't even 2 days until then. Kingsif (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request - Family
Minor, but her brother Mychal is a *former* tight end and free agent who hasn't played since 2018. His wiki page states it correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.39.220 (talk) 13:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've adjusted this. QueerFilmNerd  talk 15:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2020
She has a sister too. Nickayla Rivera 89.210.54.247 (talk) 18:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Who is mentioned in the article. No edit request was made. Kingsif (talk) 19:15, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there any rule that forbids the inclusion of names, in the infobox, of relatives who do not have articles? (This is obviously what the IP is requesting). daveout  👾  (talk)  19:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think it should also be included in the infobox as it's also mentioned in the article. We don't have to list "every relative" as Kingsif suggests, just the ones in the article seem appropriate. FozzieHey (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Infobox listings are for "notable relatives", aka those with a wikipedia page, thus we cannot mention her in the infobox. QueerFilmNerd  talk 22:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The relatives section is for "Names of siblings or other relatives; include only if independently notable or particularly relevant.", this doesn't mean they require a separate article and they've already been included in the article, obviously the definition of "relevant" is up for discussion. (also please sign your message). FozzieHey (talk) 22:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , typically people take notable to mean they are notable enough to have a wikipedia article. i don't think she needs to be mentioned. QueerFilmNerd  talk 22:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Typically yes, however it does not specify that they must have a separate article and she could be seen as notable as she is an independent model. Relevance is entirely different as well, if she was relevant enough to be mentioned in the article then is she relevant enough to be noted in the infobox? FozzieHey (talk) 22:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * First, it's not clear at all what the IP wants to happen to the article. I'd assumed it was just a bizarre statement like the 'she's missing' ones above. In any case, sometimes relatives without articles are included in the infobox, but in three situations (that I've seen): 1. they should have an article, 2. they are not notable enough for their own article, but had a profound impact on the subject's life (sometimes/often with their name as a redirect), 3. historic biographies, where a combination of 1 & 2 comes into play for relatives where there aren't many sources not related to the person with the bio. Infoboxes are not supposed to detail everything, they're a snapshot of the quick facts. The relatives part is for people the reader may have heard of, so they can quickly make that connection. You can see there is no param for 'siblings' (like there is for parents/spouse/children), so they should not be mentioned unless independently notable. If you want to change this Wikipedia-wide practice, the template talk page is the place to ask. Kingsif (talk) 05:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2020
Naya Rivera has stated that her marrying Ryan on the same day she was set to marry Sean was a rumour. She also said in her book that they were different days, different locations, and she had a different dress. Saying she married one man on the day she was set to marry another makes her look some kind of way, and it's not fair to keep here when it isn't true. They got married on Ryan's birthday, had nothing to do with Sean. 65.95.181.203 (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source, or a page in the book? Kingsif (talk) 05:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  20:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Naya Rivera´s death is still unkown. Mammamiahereigo (talk) 17:20, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No source provided. FozzieHey (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

TMZ confirms Naya Rivera's body was confirmed recovered from Lake Piru, California
TMZ confirms Naya Rivera's body was confirmed recovered from Lake Piru, California

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/13/naya-rivera-body-found-lake-piru-disappearance-drowning-dead-dies-33-glee/

She's definitely dead, folks.

Please update the article, Wikipedia Soup Nazis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:7EC5:E100:4151:9EB1:E31D:FF7B (talk) 17:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * TMZ frequently provides speculative and unreliable sources, if you can get an official statement you can add it. FozzieHey (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How about CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/13/entertainment/naya-rivera-search-body-found/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.245.207.245 (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You bunch of idiots edit warring on this website to your liking remind me of why Wikipedia's reputation's going downhill. TMZ confirms that the body has been recovered from the lake. 2804:1B1:1288:5C32:D123:54CE:EE89:99A8 (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'm refering to the ones who want to keep the actress "alive" for eternity in Wikipedia... She's dead. 2804:1B1:1288:5C32:D123:54CE:EE89:99A8 (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * a body. See, us idiots actually are able to read. Wikipedia includes reliable facts, which is probably why you don't hang around here, speculation sally. Kingsif (talk) 17:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

The CNN article does not (yet) confirm the body was Naya's.

Dissappeared
article says she wentissing on the 8th when in fact she went missinf on the 7th. 7/7 twinning energy Loudsage93 (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not true. Kingsif (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Change is to was Add death date (day boat was rented out and she was reported missing) 2A02:C7F:2231:3300:DD88:6CD9:FC37:74A6 (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Not confirmed. Kingsif (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Naya Rivera's body was found. Both TMZ and Rolling Stone have reported this with Rolling Stone being the earlier report at 1:13 PM ET on July 13, 2020 2600:1700:F530:4790:1922:3B6C:4C51:E1AB (talk) 18:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We have an authoritarian who does not allow us to include things in Wikipedia that are true; I.e. "This is what TMZ said"; this ludicrous response to my edit: "Undid revision 967516732 by DanielNuyu (talk) TMZ also reported on Kobe and his daughter's deaths before it was confirmed, before his wife had been called" (Yes, and they were 100%, totally, completely, absolutely *right* about Kobe and his daughter....w/e... I'm used to this sort of 'I have nothing better to do than undo-everyone-else's revisions types --DanielNuyu (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: TMZ has also provided multiple premature obituaries before, such as with Bushwick Bill, Miley Cyrus, Kimo Leopoldo and Mae Young. Wait for the official report. FozzieHey (talk) 18:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Daybreak87 (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC) https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2020/07/body-found-in-search-for-naya-rivera-5-days-after-glee-star-disappeared-in-lake.html Disappeared can most likely be switched to "died" circa July 8th.
 * TMZ is not a completely reliable source, we're waiting on the press conference at 2PM EST.  QueerFilmNerd  talk 18:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The press conference is set actually for 2PM PST Karkarx3 (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * My bad aha, typed the wrong letter! QueerFilmNerd  talk 18:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I would agree with comments a few blocks above, signed and unsigned. What part of the Wikipedia regulation precludes writing "likely dead" (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/889544969/body-found-in-california-lake-presumed-to-be-glee-actor-naya-rivera) or dead by 2 sources [and give the sources in-line]?  Show me something that *SPECIFICALLY* says it is improper to say "TMZ said...", not something that says you need to cite your sources, and I will have learned something today.  --DanielNuyu (talk) 18:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Death
She is dead. Body has been recovered. Mahreenuh (talk) 18:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No, see above. What you read does not count.  --DanielNuyu (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Wait until Ventura County Sherriff releases confirmation at their press conference set for 14:00 PST Karkarx3 (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * See... She's dead, but the editor-warriors of Wikipedia want to keep her alive. 2804:1B1:1288:5C32:B1B4:1347:BC2F:9702 (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It is so incredibly obvious, from the reporting, the Ventura county twitter, TMZ. It's OK.  Let them rule. --DanielNuyu (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * See, Daniel, not everything you read is reliable. You've been on Wikipedia long enough to know that when every source but TMZ says "a body" and "not confirmed", and TMZ has a history of premature reports, it doesn't get included. Your personal attacks are immature. If you can't see why your editing is wrong, and have nothing better to do but complain, you're probably best leaving WP. Kingsif (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
41.58.184.74 (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Was
 * ...was this a question? Kingsif (talk) 18:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Interview with Ventura County Sheriff
Here is an interview with the VC Sheriff   (not sure if he is the sheriff or sergeant) but he speaks about the body found as a female one and positively ID's it as Naya. Would this be enough to change the edit the page to that of a deceased person? Thanks.


 * Thanks for sharing. It's strange that the report and video description say unconfirmed when the captain does confirm in that interview. LA Times (publisher) also suggests the press conference may not be happening, since evidently the sheriff's department are talking already. As is the same guy (Capt. Buschow) who has been giving all the official updates, this interview is enough to update the article. Kingsif (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * At no time does he specifically say the body is Rivera. He says "she" but to equate "she" with "Naya Rivera" is WP:SYNTH. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've amended the text in the article, referring to where the captain says that he hopes it brings the family closure - he says they've been informed etc., it's not SYNTH to draw the only viable conclusion as to what that statement means. Kingsif (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just rewatched the video to find where he said the 'floating' part (about 40 seconds), and I noticed that at about 15 seconds, he says "she was found". He may not use her name, but it's in reference to her. Kingsif (talk) 20:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SYNTH. "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source." Claims have to be explicitly supported by sources. It is indeed WP:SYNTH to assume that he meant Naya Rivera when those words were not explicitly stated.
 * he says "she was found". He may not use her name, but it's in reference to her. - That's classic WP:SYNTH. All you can assume from that is a female body was found. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:20, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, because the interviewer wasn't asking about Rivera? Sure, let's play difficult. Kingsif (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If you don't like it, please feel free to try to get WP:SYNTH changed. Until then, you have to abide by it. You simply cannot assume, especially in bio articles. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What? You'll see above that I was adamant about not updating until confirmation, even getting abuse from users and IPs. There's SYNTH and then there's denying something that is being clearly said because a name wasn't used even when context supplied it. That's not SYNTH. Kingsif (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * At the 0:37 time mark of the video I cited, he indicated that the body was floating. The VC Sheriff's Office found a female body floating (which indicates the time of death to be 4-5 days ago). What other females went missing in the lake area in the area between July 8 and 9?? Karkarx3 (talk) 21:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that would be SYNTH alone. But the video is titled 'update on Naya Rivera'. Kingsif (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Is there another video on this interview? It seems to start partway through and some more context from earlier might help. It's still probably best to wait for the press release in this case. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  20:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Change presumed dead to dead. Naya Rivera's body was recovered from Lake Piru in Ventura County, California, 170.115.248.25 (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ In process of updating. Kingsif (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * "A" body was found. Although it's more than likely it is Rivera, this edit states "The sheriff's department captain, speaking with LA Times before the press conference, confirmed the body found was that of Rivera's." I just watched that video and he says no such thing. The blurb associated with the video says "The body has not been identified, and officials were set to hold an afternoon news conference." -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The video description says that, but the captain in the video says it's Rivera and the conference will be from the people doing the autopsy, so I don't know what more can be argued. Kingsif (talk) 20:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * At what time does the captain say that the body is Naya Rivera by name? Even at the end the reporter only refers to "a body". -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you comment this twice? Response above. Kingsif (talk) 20:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
47.151.27.25 (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC) Shouldnt it be 20 episodes instead of 21 for Step Up High Water. They're werent 21 episodes in the show. Also Rest in Peace Naya Rivera, it's such a sad day today.
 * ✅ A check confirmed this, and the renewal source mentioned it as well. Kingsif (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Date of death
Is the discovery going to be put as date of death or is the day she went missing going to be it since drowning as we all know is very quickly. Genuinely wondering no disrespect. Chloe0303 (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The Hollywood Reporter reported that she was declared dead today (July 13, date of discovery). It's a good question since, yes, one doesn't usually take 5 days to drown. It may be a technical/legal issue, but that's what has been reported to now. More updates may be more enlightening or indicate July 8. Kingsif (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd vote we wait for an autopsy report to come out, though yes, it is more likely that she died the same day she disappeared. QueerFilmNerd  talk 23:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. Being "declared" dead and being legally declared as deceased are two different things. Of course plenty of conjecture can be made (bodies initially sink after drowning and don't typically float until 3-7 days have passed, when the natural gas buildup in the body gives them buoyancy, so it can be presumed that a minimum date of death would be July 10), but nothing is solid and official until the coroner's report. PunkAndromeda (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This isn't something that can be oo'd and aw'd, it takes minutes to die from drowning. There is absolutely no other day Rivera could've died on. It's the 8th, and no autopsy is needed to confirm that. Rusted AutoParts  23:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that she didn't, I also believe that she died on July 8. I'm saying that the Wikipedia date of death on her profile, while possibly accurate, can not be proven as such until a coroner's report is released, because while it might be the truth it is largely conjecture to say so definitively until an expert's opinion has been given otherwise. My initial point, really, was that there may currently be a difference between her date of declared death and the date of her legal death, which will likely be the one given by the coroner, and therefore would be considered more accurate (and more reliable for a Wikipedia article) once the information becomes available. At the very least, should the coroner's report corroborate the July 8 death date, it will be solid evidence and prevent any sort of potential conspiracy (which I mention, briefly, because many people online were claiming that she could have been alive (or have died after July 8) on the shoreline of the lake until her body was found). PunkAndromeda (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's really irrelevant though, it is factually impossible to survive beyond when she disappeared. The day she's declared dead isn't relevant when the actual day is known. July 8 is the date of death, we don't need the autopsy to confirm this. It would only factor in if the day the person disappeared wasn't known and it could've been anytime before being found. Also the conspiracy theorists of the online world have no influence on this. They were making an array of claims, doesn't mean they are correct. A woman disappeared in a lake on a given day. She is found dead from drowning in said lake several days later. Drowning is a relatively instant death, and as the location of the death leaves little room for doubt when the death happened since we know when it happened, it's no question. July 8. Case closed. Rusted AutoParts  23:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2020
Change cause of death to accidental drowning. 2001:BB6:2882:C300:C5CD:5D32:1791:72B8 (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Kingsif (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

we cant determine cause of death
How can we determine this is an accident and not a suicide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epicgamespro (talk • contribs) 23:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe in the press conference they had earlier they stated they had no reason to believe it was a suicide. QueerFilmNerd  talk 00:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

whatever I believe she took her own life https://twitter.com/BlueshockerSZN/status/1282752975807508480 Epicgamespro (talk) 01:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fine and all, but speculation does not have its place here on a recently deceased subject. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  02:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Remove this line..
Remove the line about lea Michelle deleting her twitter. This has nothing to do with Nayas death and someone deleting their twitter isn’t truly relevant. Just a thought. Thanks. Nightbird48 (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You can remove it yourself if you think it's irrelevant. Kingsif (talk) 02:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Definitely seemed out of place where I read it and when I looked further, it looks like it actually belongs perfectly down in the next paragraph! Was just a thought, no ill will meant. Nightbird48 (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * None taken, I just wanted to make sure you knew that the page lock allows autoconfirmed accounts to edit! Kingsif (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Glee co-stars gathered lakeside.
Please add Amber Riley. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:500:4100:9710:E54C:D231:E0BD:2C72 (talk) 03:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Citation needed. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Nominate at GA
After I added a lot of sources and cleaned up the existing article over the last week, I think it's now looking like a complete and well-sourced biography, and I am thinking about nominating it at WP:GAN. The page protection helps keep it stable, and stability at the moment is really a main concern. Would other editors object to the nomination - or, conversely, be willing to help improve it if/when it gets picked up for review? Kingsif (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I would be willing to help improve it with you! QueerFilmNerd  talk 00:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! You'll see I've added the nomination template above - when someone starts reviewing it, just add to the review page that it's co-nom (or I will if I get there first). Kingsif (talk) 01:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in music

Edit request on July 15, 2020
Could the short description be updated to include her years of life (i.e. American actress and singer (1987-2020))? It would be helpful to make it clear. Thanks! 2601:643:8100:2921:11FA:EE7F:5C4A:6A90 (talk) 01:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * not necessary to add years alive to a deceased persons short description QueerFilmNerd  talk 01:28, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Ethnicity in lead
Some editors have been removing "Afro-Latina" from the lead. Besides one IP/user who was evidently disruptive (and not just vandalizing this article), it's just, who I acknowledge I have previously checked the contributions of because they were adding duplicate wikilinks here unnecessarily after they were removed.

The issue here is removing the ethnicity. Jjj's edit reason was nationality [does not equal] ethnicity, which isn't a reason that makes any sense. Nobody is saying that either is the other. But there is precedent on Wikipedia that where a person's ethnicity is relevant to their life and career, which sources and now this article support, it is mentioned in the lead. Kingsif (talk) 16:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Resting place.
To the person who is changing the place and saying where she is resting at, please, STOP doing it. It wasn't publicly said because of a reason. Respect her family in this and stop saying where she is at. Please. And the people who can change it and delete it, please do it. Wikipedia doesn't let me do it. Heyasriveran (talk) 10:25, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I for one a few days ago rejected the resting place edit here due to the fact her resting place is not available online, Her families wishes should be respected as should WP:BLPPRIVACY. – Davey 2010 Talk 10:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The resting place information is on Find a Grave. If the family doesn’t want that on there they should contact them, but unless that happens the info should be tossed out because an editor feels like the family wouldn’t want it published. Rusted AutoParts  15:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * FindAGrave isn't a reliable source (there are a good few of these on RSN, Caution and sensitivity should be applied. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Be that as it may, the grave information is coming from somewhere online, so it is an available piece of information. It’s not coming from out of nowhere is what I mean. Rusted AutoParts  16:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Reading the various RSN's on it it appears to be user-generated so as such it could be completely made up all for we know, Cba to go diff hunting but one editor reckons they also have a few hoaxes (or did), Other than FindAGrave there's nothing else as far as I know, – Davey 2010 Talk 16:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It has pretty specific GPS coordinates. There has been instances of incorrect cemetery location but I don’t believe it’s been the case when they have a specific location in the cemetery. Anyway since I’m learning now it’s unreliability now I guess it doesn’t really matter, though if it sees a gravestone picture added at some point perhaps it’ll be worth revisiting adding the cemetery. Rusted AutoParts  16:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If a gravestone picture is added I'll go to RSN and see what they think, My assumption is that the family would rather keep it to themselves (hence why other than FG there's no mention of this) but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 17:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I did accept the edit to remove it, but I don't particularly care if it's included; my reasoning was that there was no mention of it in prose and no source in the infobox, so it could be removed on WP:V grounds anyway. Kingsif (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just accepted a pending edit to add it back, as it presented a reliable source. Discussion should continue on the inclusion. Kingsif (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Kingsif, My search a week ago literally bought up nothing other than FindAG, Today it's filled with sources, Sort of hard to justify BLPPRIVACY now that tons of news sites are reporting on it, Unless her family have a problem with it then I see no reason why it shouldn't be included. It's reliably sourced = I'm happy. Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 21:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox death date note
I really don't feel adding a note at the end of her death date stating when she was found is at all necessary. If it was to explain a situation of she was found a given day and we didn't know for sure when she died, that's one thing. But we do know. Any explanations of her being found five days later have been succinctly covered in the lead and the disappearance and death sections. Rusted AutoParts 20:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I can see we're all trying to be respectful, but legal pronouncement of death is a thing - as much as you try to argue its insignificance, it really is significant and I would expect even in cases like this where actual date of death is obvious, any biography or other encyclopedia would right at the start (wherever death is first mentioned) explain the situation. And especially here, because just as many news and magazine articles are reporting the death as July 13 as there are reporting it as July 8 and the explanation may be useful (the reporting may be somewhat attributable to people wanting to connect her to Monteith, but I don't think nostalgia outweighs logic, so it's more likely the news is sticking to the Ventura County sheriff and medical reports that say July 13). Kingsif (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it's insignificant, I'm saying it's not needed for the infobox when it's covered by the lead section she was found on the 13th. There isn't one for Shad Gaspard, who was found three days after he drowned. Yes, other stuff exists, but it's two very similar cases. My case is about what's really necessary for the infobox. I don't believe a note stating the day she was found is really required. Side note, I'm not sure why places are saying she died the 13th, it's literally impossible. Rusted AutoParts  21:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes (and RIP Shad), it's a good comparison except there were attempts to rescue him before he drowned, so he was never really missing? You keep bringing up the "literally impossible", which we all agree on, but have been failing to acknowledge that pronouncement of death does mean something. Especially in terms of historical record. I don't really have any more to add, other views should be heard out. I think the infobox distinction is useful, on top of the coverage in the article body. I'm ambivalent on whether it should be mentioned in the lead. Kingsif (talk) 21:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, he was though. For three days. "but have been failing to acknowledge that pronouncement of death does mean something" but I'm not besmirching the pronouncement of death, I'm just not seeing the need of a note in the infobox about it. I keep mentioning it being literally impossible to survive past the 8th because it felt like there's some that don’t seem to get that the average human being can only survive underwater without coming back up for air for two minutes. The longest possible exception being a boy surviving for 42 minutes, even then he was still on life support for a month. I don't mean to harp on that point, it's just important to me that it's clarified. Rusted AutoParts  21:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Though nobody else has contributed to this, I feel I should add that it's edits like this that support the necessity of the note: after seeing the note, fewer editors will try that. Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * At this point I agree to its necessity. Seeing there’ll likely be editors coming in to change it citing the death certificate, part of me thinks perhaps including a sentence about the impossibility of her drowning any other day is worth adding. Rusted AutoParts  22:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in the prose, but I could add the death certificate specifying she died "within minutes" to the note? Kingsif (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That could work. Rusted AutoParts  23:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added Rivera's death certificate lists her legal date of death as July 13, 2020, but also notes as part of the cause of death that she died "within minutes" (i.e. on July 8, 2020), with links to death certificate and legal death, feel free to improve. Kingsif (talk) 00:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for my ham-fisted reverts
Apologies for the mess I made trying to reject some pending changes to Naya's date of death made by 97.64.67.37. Seems s/he and I were typing at the same time. I believe I cleaned up the mess, though. Please let me know if anything is amiss. &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 19:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for putting in the effort: it seems the IP and the problematic editor are the same, from the way they both chimed in on my talk page, and have been reported for going way over 3RR and refusing to converse when prompted. Kingsif (talk) 03:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Female lead in Step Up?
Hello everyone. I have a quick question about the following sentence from the lead: (At the time of her death she was between seasons of the television show Step Up, in which she played the female lead.) According to the Step Up article, Rivera played a recurring role not a lead so there is a slight discrepancy. I have never seen the show, but I was wondering if someone could clear this up? Later in the article, it says that Rivera had a "leading role" in the series. I would not consider a recurring role a lead. Thank you in advance, and apologies if this is obvious. Aoba47 (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb, and all the episode credits (I did not watch all 20, but her presence in the one I did is equal to other characters), she was the only female actor to star in every episode (of the two seasons, obviously). News reports from before and after her death also write that she and Ne-Yo were the leads - sometimes they're the only one mentioned when discussing it at all, but I'm not giving those as much weight because that could be based on name recognition - when multiple performers are included, it's Rivera and Ne-Yo highlighted. I'd be more interested to see where the Step Up article found "recurring", so I'll do a bit more searching. If someone has watched the series, they could advise us on how much she appears, but the RS discuss the character as having her own major storylines, not something recurring characters generally do. Kingsif (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ETA: I just went to the Step Up article to look at the sources there, and it says On June 28, 2017, it was announced that Ne-Yo, Naya Rivera, Faizon Love, Lauryn McClain, Petrice Jones, Marcus Mitchell, Jade Chynoweth, Carlito Olivero, Terrence Green, R. Marcos Taylor, Eric Graise, and Kendra Oyesanya had been cast in the series' main roles - not finding any source for 'recurring' I can only assume she's listed there based on the fact her name in the opening credits is listed as "special appearance by"(ep1, 2, 3, you get the idea): the kind of thing done when the actor is getting paid considerably more than the others, not because they're recurring. Kingsif (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification and the fix to the Step Up article! I hope that I did not cause any trouble. I was just a little confused by that part, and everything you said makes sense to me. Thank you again for taking the time to explain this, and great work with the article. Aoba47 (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, and thanks for bringing it up, which made me interrogate sources at both articles :) Kingsif (talk) 21:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)