Talk:Nazism

Please add dates to first paragraph.
Should have dates of origin & dates in power in 1st or 2nd paragraph. 87.223.101.43 (talk) 00:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2024
In the description, the NAZI party is described as “far-right”. They were, in fact, the National Socialist Party. Factually speaking, they were “far-left”. They only became “far-right” because the Left wanted to disassociate themselves from the NAZI origins. BobTheLibertarian (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See the . — Czello (music) 22:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)nt
 * Ahistorical nonsense. See the FAQ at the top of this page.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Nazis were not right leaning
It's literally in the name: national SOCIALIST party. The nazis were not right leaning at all! They were socialist, which would be left winged. 2601:CE:8200:4960:6952:D1:BFF4:F863 (talk) 00:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. See the FAQ near the top of the page. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What FAQ are you referring to?
 * Socialism is widely accepted as left-wing. NSDAP was a socialist workers party. They kept the red from the tri-color standard specifically to represent the partys socialistic ideology.
 * While they might have regarded themselves as neither left north right, they were most definitely left-wing, at best/worst centre-left. 213.238.201.221 (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See, it's at the top of this page.
 * The Nazis weren't actual socialists, they appropriated the trappings of socialism to win over working class supporters. — Czello (music) 09:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So is the site broken or am I missing something? There is no visible FAQ section on my end and clicking the bookmark link leads nowhere.
 * But doesn't that mean they effectively had to adopt socialist policies to keep up façade, so as to not lose support? Meaning, technically they're left-leaning socialists? 213.238.201.221 (talk) 13:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you on mobile? It might not be showing in the case; it's visible on desktop. — Czello (music) 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Correct, but it doesn't show up when requesting desktop site either. So I guess it's browser dependent. 213.238.201.221 (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Copied from the FAQ:
 * Why does this article say that the Nazis were right-wing?
 * Because that is the consensus of reliable sources, in this case historians and political scientists.
 * But the word "socialist" is right in their name!
 * Many political entities have names that can be misleading. Consider, for example, the Holy Roman Empire (a confederation of mainly German territories during the Middle Ages and the early modern period) and North Korea's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (a totalitarian dictatorship). The usage of the word "socialism" by the Nazis is different from the common usage of the term "socialism" to refer to an economic philosophy involving advocacy for social ownership of the means of production. The phrase "national socialist" was a nationalist response to the rise of socialism in Europe by offering a redefinition of "socialism" to refer to the promotion of the interests of the nation, as opposed to ideas of individual self-interest. But there was no policy of social ownership of the means of production. The Nazis did talk about capitalism being bad, but they defined it as a Jewish-originated economic philosophy based on individualism that promoted plutocracy in the interest of the Jews, at the expense of non-Jewish nations and races. This was put in contrast to the Nazis' conception of socialism, which was done in order to win over people attracted to anti-capitalist and socialist ideas to their cause. They rejected ideas of equality and working class solidarity, instead advocating for social hierarchy and national strength. This article sums it up well.
 * O3000, Ret. (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry but that doesn't make complete sense to me. Reliable sources means nothing, when the victor writes history.
 * Furthermore you're ignoring every other point I made except having 'socialism' in their name. To confuse the discussion even more, you argued before that their views on socialism included property ownership, as opposed to Marxism, which was "anti-property". Now you paste text from the FAQ that states their version of socialism is "different from the common usage of the term 'socialism' to refer to an economic philosophy involving advocacy for social ownership of the means of production"? 213.238.201.221 (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason the other user likely ignored your other points is because we don't make our own interpretations on Wikipedia - that's considered original research. Instead we say what reliable sources say. Historians largely agree that the Nazis weren't socialist in the commonest use of the word. — Czello (music) 14:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, see the FAQ. This isn't a forum for your own analysis of history.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nor should it be a forum for your own analysis. Right wing should be remove from the description.  Claiming otherwise is disingenuous and undermines wikipedias credibility 216.245.73.249 (talk) 16:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who says it is? Read the article, the FAQ, and most importantly, the references, on which everything is based. And read the big red notice at thetop of the page, which deals with the same ahistorical talking points being raised again and again with no actual basis in fact.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who's analysis? Thew consensus of historians and political scientists is that Nazism is right wing. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." O3000, Ret. (talk) 10:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Property ownership is not the only defining factor in identifying left and right wing as political ideologies. Socialism, which represents in large part the NSDAP, is always associated with government control which is by definition belongs on the left wing.  While Hitler may claim to not be a Marxist he is still a socialist.  If this seems like it might be biased than perhaps it is.  Therefore, the article should be edited to remove right wing. 216.245.73.249 (talk) 17:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We go by reliable sources like political scientists and historians -- not editor opinions. O3000, Ret. (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So the fact remains that the NSDAP was socialist. Political scientist and historians agree that socialism is a left wing ideology.  In order to be honest to the truth, you need to edit the text by removing the inaccurate data that misrepresents the NSDAP as right wing.  Wiki represents that the committee can edit text.  You are not allowing the normal editing process to continue and one must ask if there is an agenda or narrative that is being protected here. 216.245.73.249 (talk) 02:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, no more than the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy. Names are used as the parties see fit. Read the FAQ, read the article, and stop wasting your time and ours. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for made-up nonsense.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, no more than the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy. Names are used as the parties see fit. Read the FAQ, read the article, and stop wasting your time and ours. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for made-up nonsense.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)