Talk:Nea Salamis Famagusta/GA3

GA Review
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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 23:56, 1 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I am going to pick up the GA review of this article, off the urgent review needed list. MPJ  -US 23:56, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

GA Toolbox
Let's start by going over the obvious links from the tool box.

Peer Review

 * Mentions special characters in the headline, but outside of ' or, I don't see any
 * Mentions TOC is too long, not sure if any sections could be combined, more of an improvement suggestion if going for FA.
 * ✅ Nothing listed is keeping this from GA

Copyvio Detector

 * Nothing detected, challenge is that most sources are probably in Greek and thus not caught by this. But nothing obvious shows up. ✅

Disambig Links

 * ✅ good there.

Images
Club logo's Non free rational does not refer to this article, only the FC article. THat needs to be rectified Other images look okay, although I question the need for the galleries on this page, they seem appropriate for perhaps the FC and VC articles but here it is a bit too much.

General
I saw 2-3 typos but I figured those were easy fixes so I took care of that.


 * "during Pancypriot games, and said Anorthosis" - the comma is not necessary
 * "Gogakis, Xatzivasileiou and Christodoulou" - needs a comma after Xatzivasileiou
 * "In 1953, after unification" - "after the unification"
 * "Nea Salamis' football fans were scattered across Cyprus, and the team no longer had equipment or a place to train" - I would reword that to "Nea Salamis' football fans were scattered across Cyprus, the team no longer had equipment nor a place to train"
 * "Emblem, colors and anthem" - Comma after colors
 * Sentence starting with "The team played in the 1995[39] and 1997 UEFA Intertoto Cups" has sitations for their participation but not for their elimination?
 * "On 31 May 1966 buses and cars began driving in the morning from Famagusta to Nicosia, but Nea Salamis lost 6–3." - not sure the bus and car comment is relevant?
 * "After the defeat some" - comma after "defeat"
 * "With nine championships, eight cups and eight super cups" - comma after eight cups
 * "preserve the club, since many Nea Salamis" - the comma seems unnecessary
 * "In 1978 it decided to create a women's team" - who are "it"?
 * "After the 1984–85 season the board suspended the team for financial reasons,[60][61] although it was a cup finalist. " no source for being a cup finalist?
 * "(including Siekkeris, Nita and Moustafa)" - Comma after Nita
 * "In 1962 Kallikas was transferred to Nea Salamis" - comma after 1962

A few more things to look at. MPJ  -US 12:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Early years

 * "At this time" - should be "At the time"
 * "(some of the best in Cyprus)" a value statement like that needs a source.
 * "In early 1947 a group of leftists, members and non-members of GSE and Anorthosis from Famagusta agreed on the need for another sports which would appeal to all, regardless of political affiliation."
 * So this sentence has several problems, "members and non-members" is basically anyone in the world
 * "Anorthosis from Famagusta" does not need "from"
 * I assume that the need was for "another sports club"?
 * The sentence starting "on 14 February" does not need to have [1][4] in the middle of the sentence twice when it can just be at the end.


 * "After the club's founding" = "After the club was founded", perhaps consider revising the whole sentence?
 * I think you want to use the word "titled" instead of "entitled"
 * The direct quote should be in quotation marks and italics

Teams

 * "The club was successful because GSE's top track athletes joined Nea Salamis, but the football team recruited few players from Anorthosis." seems like it jumped subject matter from track to football?

Expulsion from GSE Stadium and founding of CAFF

 * I get that part of this is to set the stage, but it goes into great detail about this, names, places and then "oh yeah Nea Salamis Famagusta was also not allowed" A large part of this seems to be more about a part of Cyprus' history than this specific club.
 * "This was a problem for Nea Salamis, which now had no place to play the new soccer season." - Sounds pretty informal, perhaps reword. And also the term "soccer"? be consistent in terms please
 * Referring to the club as "Nea Salamis in Famagusta" makes it sound like the article is not about the club but taken from a different article?

Unification of Cypriot football

 * Sentence starting with "On 19 September the association accepted[16] Nea Salamis" has [16] listed thee times in total, put it at the end instead of over citing it.
 * "The CFA rejected the applications of Alki" so the artice does not outright state it approve Nea Salamis' application, nor what division it would be in?

Famagusta municipal stadium

 * "1953, after unification of Cyprus' football" - "the unificiation"
 * "club moved its headquarters" - where to?

Refugees and reactivation

 * "Cyprus and abroad." = "Cyprus or abroad"
 * "disagreed about" = "disagreed on"

Emblem, colors and anthem
This seems out of place, the history of the club is unfinished and then there is this section? The history section cuts off in the 1970s

Football

 * Really not relevant who Aberdeen F.C. defeated 8 years prior is it?
 * First mention of "Tsirion Stadium"?
 * Typo "balck-and-white"
 * Section that starts with "The 1965–66 season had high and low points for the club." seems overly detailed for a summary of the main article.

Volleyball

 * Need a citation that states that the "The Nea Salamis Famagusta men's volleyball team of is one of the best in Cyprus."
 * Typo "chanmpions"

Relations with Turkish Cypriots
Since its founding, Nea Salamis sought to develop friendly relations with the Turkish Cypriot community in
 * " In second division" should be "in the second division"

I believe this is the complete review from me. Since there has been no activity to address these yet (which I understand, people have lives) I am putting this for hold. Hopefully activity will begin within 7 days. MPJ  -US 03:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

GA Review 1
Hello  MPJ  and many thanks for your review.

Images
Club logo: The club, the football team and the volleyball team have the same logo. Galleries: We can delete galleries from the article.
 * Then the image needs to list all three articles, it's part of the non-free criteria. MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the gallery, you can still use an image or two in this article where appropriate. MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

✅ Xaris333 (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

General
Pls show the difs.
 * Sorry show what diffs? my typo fixes? MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I was talking about the small changes I have made after reading your comments. Xaris333 (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Teams

 * "The club was successful because GSE's top track athletes joined Nea Salamis, but the football team recruited few players from Anorthosis." I want to say that the track team was succeful because many of the top athletes of GSE joined the club, but the football team was not because only few players of Anorthosis joined Nea Salamis.
 * then say that, at least if you have a source to support it. MPJ  -US 21:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

✅ Xaris333 (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Others
"I get that part of this is to set the stage, but it goes into great detail about this, names, places and then "oh yeah Nea Salamis Famagusta was also not allowed" A large part of this seems to be more about a part of Cyprus' history than this specific club."

It is necessary to explain what happen to Cyprus (only about sports) that period. Where the other teams of CAFF came from. They were founded almost for the same reasons
 * Is there a main article about this? I get that the stage needs to be set but it also has to fit in the context of the topic. If I am writing about a battle in WW II I don't need to go into great detail about WW II as such, it makes the article seem unfocused - like it's more about sports in Cyprus during that time than the club. It's a balancing act and I think you just teetered a bit too far the other way.  MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * If someone expand Football in Cyprus, then must write about that period. All sources, when writing about Nea Salamis foundation are writing all these information. We must explain to the reader were the other teams came from, with one paragraph. They have the almost the same foundation reason as Nea Salamis and all together create CAFF because CFA don't want them.

"Although the Nea Salamis board disagreed on whether to play because of their refugee status" I wan't say that they were not sure if they could participate due to many problems the club had in 1974.

''This seems out of place, the history of the club is unfinished and then there is this section? The history section cuts off in the 1970s'' In the article I have written the most significant facts of the club (foundation, refugees, stadiums). The other historical facts are in the football and volleyball sections because are about the teams.
 * But you do see that the article "history" makes it seems like nothing happened after the 1970s right? MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, what are you suggesting. I need help with that.

" Typo "balck-and-white" and Typo "chanmpions" "What do you mean?
 * That means you spelled them wrong, I did not correct them as I was making review notes off a print version of the article. MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Xaris333 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

"The 1965–66 season had high and low points for the club" I want to say that this is the consider one of the most remarkable season of the football team (after cup winning in 1989-90 season of course) because was only one game away from winning the championship and lost in the cup final for the first time but lose.

"The Nea Salamis Famagusta men's volleyball team of is one of the best in Cyprus" How can I cite that? It is in the second place in champions and in cup winners and first in super cup winners.
 * Then instead of saying "best in Cyprus" you list those two accolades that you can source. That's a neutral representation of facts if you cannot get a reliable source labeling them as one of the best. MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Xaris333 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I am ready to discuss anything and to make the changes. Thanks again for the review. Xaris333 (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have made a couple of comments, I will be checking on everything else today. MPJ  -US 14:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Everything else looks good on the source fixes. MPJ  -US 14:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Updated source review
 * Links that go to www.rsssf.com should list "The Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation", #33 does not list it.
 * Date format is inconsistent in the citations - some have 2015-06-01, others have June 1, 2015. Pick a format and apply that to all citations.


 * ✅ Xaris333 (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I have seen no activity since March 5 and before that only limited improvements. I am going to fail the article for G.A. but would encourage interested editors in addressing the review comments made here and then apply for GA again once all issues have been addressed. I am always open to answering questions so please let me know.