Talk:Ned (Scottish)

Origin of term
Michael Quinion is an esteemed researcher and works for the Oxford English Dictionary. He asserts that "ned" comes from a contraction of "Edward" which was attached to a certain kind of person as "teddy-boy". He goes on to say what I think we know - that the "non-educated delinquent" definition is folk etymology, a backronym and therefore, wrong. You can read this article here.

I think it's worth keeping a mention of "non-educated delinquent" and "ne'er do wells" on the page, but surely not right at the start claiming it as fact when all the research by etymologists proves otherwise? IndieSinger (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2009 (UT C)

"We're no such neds as to think that ony man could hae a Christian name like Onions" said Sunny Jim (Para Handy, The Stowaway, p.207 of the Complete Edition paperback). Neil Munro's story first appeared in the Glasgow Evening News about a hundred years ago.

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Gadgie
Strange as it may seem, in many parts of Glasgow (and, who knows? perhaps further afield), gadgie is actually used as an exonym for the Romani people themselves! Nuttyskin (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

"dates back to the 1960s or earlier"
I'm removing the second sentence from the intro:


 * Such usage in Glasgow dates back to the 1960s or earlier.

Despite the citation, this is a useless observation that shouldn't lead an article. The rest of the article cites usage back to the early 19th century. While that is technically "the 1960s or earlier", in the same sense that the English language dates back to the 21st century or earlier, it's not exactly useful to describe it that way. --157.131.170.189 (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

The Fourth Protocol
I first came across the term in Forsyth’s The Fourth Protocol.

As I recall? Forsyth says the word is a contraction of ‘skinhead.’

Is it possibly an editor could check this out: and add it to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs) 09:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

High quality article describing significant history of neds and "the war on neds"
The source is the European Union project D.Rad1

This is the article.. https://dradproject.com/the-war-on-neds-and-contradiction-1995-2008/

I think there's more relevant from the article, but these two things stood out to me..

From the section "Injustice and Grievance".. "This anti-authority sentiment played a role to some extent in the education system too, with many of the youth unable to settle in the strict and regimented classroom setting. Neds would often find themselves at odds with teachers, who were very often working to their limits in an underfunded and unsupported sector. Teachers in this period were very often overworked, and underpaid for their labour, whereas the children, who were on the receiving end of a moral panic, faced systemic oppression from the police, the Government and the media, and often had little support in the home. Thus, the working-class adult was met by the poor working-class youth, both in situations of crisis but on different levels, but both as a consequence of the economic climate and the mode of production. Therefore, the education system was not a place of peace and education for many, but yet another domain where Neds felt they were unable to express themselves and their identity freely. Unfortunately, for those children who could not adapt to the academic setting, they would find themselves alienated, and at times even expelled indefinitely from school. Such measures meant numerous children would leave school with no formal qualifications, essentially worsening their situation, with such children facing a lifetime on the periphery of society, and perpetuating a new potential ‘underclass’. With no formal education, and very little trades available, the workplace was rarely an option, and thus the outcome was to head back onto the streets, and conduct themselves in the same manner that would simply worsen their existing crises."

Though I don't understand how is concluded "Therefore" in the sentence "Therefore, the education system was not a place of peace and education for many", what exactly is said to be the cause of "the education system [not being] a place of peace and education"?

This from the last section also seems relevant.. "with little at their disposal, and without the education, or the confidence to organise on a more productive manner, they reacted in the same way they were socialised, often violently, and with little direction. Nonetheless, distasteful as they were to so many, their behaviours were very much a response to their alienating, polarising and unjust impoverished conditions"

1https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/959198 Wallby (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)