Talk:Need to Know (Doja Cat song)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

After you reviewed "Everything We Need", I will get on with this today! --K. Peake 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * Trap-pop is a redirect, so pipe these genres to their respective pages in the infobox
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:OVERLINK of Doja Cat under songwriters
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mention in the first sentence that the song is from her third studio album, Planet Her (2021).
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The writing/production sentence should be the second of the lead instead
 * ✅, but is this standard for song articles? — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Add a sentence directly before the release one mentioning when the song was confirmed followed by the teaser
 * ❌, not sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting that the first sentence of the paragraph be moved to directly before the official release sentence? — cybertrip👽  ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink as rhythmic contemporary radio instead
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "on August 31, 2021, as the third single" → "on August 31, as the third single." using "the album" earlier in this sentence
 * ❌, I'm not sure what you mean by this. — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "It was written by" → "The song was written by"
 * ❌, I rephrased it in a different way. — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Add info about comp and lyrics to the first para at the end
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  15:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Start the second para with critical reception of "Need to Know"
 * ✅, in the same sentence as comp and lyrics. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Move the award to being the sentence before commercial
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "Commercially, the song reached the top 10" it reached the top 10 in other countries too, so shouldn't you add the number then write, including...? Make sure everything here is written out in the body, though.
 * Rewrote the entire commercial sentence. Sorry for throwing spanners in the works but I think it reads better now — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "Ireland and the United States." → "Ireland, and the United States."
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mention certifications after the chart positions sentence
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Mention when the music video was released
 * ❌ Not relevant as its not done, and most music videos are released at the same time as the single anyway. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "explores the nightlife environment" → "explores the futuristic environment"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove introductions to who the cameos are
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink as Grimes
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Background and release

 * "after being briefly mentioned during a cover story" → "after being mentioned in a cover story" to be less wordy
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "with a futuristic teaser for the song's music video on her social media accounts," → "via a futuristic teaser on her Instagram," with the wikilink
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "and that it was" → "and it was"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "for you to enjoy."" → "for you to enjoy"." per MOS:QUOTE
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "released on all streaming platforms" → "released to streaming platforms" with the pipe
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink music video and move the release to the music video section, however the 16 hours part is not sourced
 * couldn't find a source for the exact time besides YouTube Data Viewer so I omitted it and wrote "soon after" the midnight single release to give the impression that the two weren't released simultaneously. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The track listing and album art being announced are not sourced
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "In July 2021, she" → "In August 2021, she"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

 * Pipe trap to Trap music and pop to Pop music on the audio sample text rather the wikilink that redirects to one
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink synthesizers
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink bassline
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ""Need to Know" is a trap-pop" → "Musically, "Need to Know" is a trap-pop" with the pipes
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove melodic rap since that is only an award that is sourced
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "a "grinding sex jam"[18] driven by" → "a "grinding sex jam",[18] driven by"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Start the trap snares quote without vital because that is opinionated
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * [19] should only be invoked at the end of the sentence
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "She claims to have been" → "She recalled having been"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "harsh raps" as well as" → "harsh raps", as well as"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "the lyrics find Doja Cat fantasizing about her" → "Doja Cat fantasizes about her"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "in which she describes her" → "in which the rapper describes her"
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "described it as" → "described the song as"
 * , used "track" to avoid the repetition of "the song" from the sentence before. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "noted that she delivers" → "commented that she delivers"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "and climactic coos."" → "and climactic coos"." per MOS:QUOTE
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Mention what publication Imogen Lawlor is from and also cut down the level of direct quoting per WP:QUOTEFARM
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "of the release."" → "of the release"."
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 03:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "The song is in the" → "The song is set in the" only if you can find a source for this and if so, move to the first para; remove elsewise
 * ✅, removed. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception

 * Retitle to Reception, merging the accolades here
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The song is not mentioned on the best of 2021 list but if you can find what the original source was, add the name of the writer too
 * ❌: the song is #1 on the Vulture list. — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Cut down the amount of direct quoting from Uproxx after the first sentence; I think it would be better to start a sentence one with "Gracie elaborated that..." putting some into your own words
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove pipe on Billboard
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "noted that the record" → "said that the song"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "and that it "features" → "and it "features"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "on the microphone."" → "on the microphone"."
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Kyle Denis is not mentioned as the writer for Billboard, also cut down the level of direct quoting here
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Write out the nominations as the second para of this section
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Commercial performance

 * "at number 38 on the" → "at number 38 on the US"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Following the release of Doja Cat's album Planet Her, which the song was included on," → "Following the release of Planet Her,"
 * , changed to "Following the release of its parent album, Planet Her" — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:CHARTTRAJ, remove numbers 32 and 20
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "at number 9,[39] peaking at number 8 the" → "reaching number 9 and giving Doja Cat her 4th top 10.[39] It peaked at number eight the" per MOS:NUM
 * , I wrote "fourth" instead of "4th" — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "then re-peaking again at that same position on" → "then remained at that position on"
 * ❌, I'm fairly certain the weeks are separate from each other — VersaceSpace  🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "That month, it also became" → "That month, the song also became"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove pipe on Billboard
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe Rhythmic to Rhythmic (chart)
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe Drake to Drake (musician)
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe Pop Airplay to Mainstream Top 40
 * ❌, already redirects there. — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "selling three million certified units in the country." → "amassing 3,000,000 certified units in the US." per MOS:US
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "peaked at number 9 in the" → "peaked at number nine on the" but no source specifies the chart position here
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The seventh top 40 hit part is unsourced
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "It reach its peak position of" → "The song peaked at"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "and later earned a gold certification from" → "and later earned a gold certification in the country from"
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Music video

 * Wikilink as Grimes instead on the img text
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This section should begin with a mention of the video release
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "the music video takes place in" → "The video takes place in"
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 04:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * [49][50][51][52][53] is too many refs grouped together; move around to resolve this
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "Josephine Pearl Leewhich with cameo appearances" → "Josephine Pearl Leewhich, with cameo appearances" with the wikilink
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink Grimes to himself
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "futuristic cityscape before settling on" → "futuristic cityscape, before settling on" but a lot of this sentence is not mentioned by either source
 * ✅, new source added and unnecessary sources omitted — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "The scene changes" → "The scene then changes"
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "and aliens where the group" → "and aliens, where the group"
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe shots to Shooter (drink)
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "She begins to flirt with a man whom she shares a dance with before" → "Doja Cat begins to flirt with a man whom she spends time in the club with, before"
 * ❌, as much as this avoids repetition, it completely changes the meaning of the sentence. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "the video they return to the dancefloor before" → "the video, they return to the dancefloor, before" but none of this sentence is sourced
 * , sentence removed entirely. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The video having a sudden ending is not mentioned by the source
 * , re-wrote sentence. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "begged the question" → "begged the question," and mention the writer by name instead
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikilink Twitter
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "from another planet."" → "from another planet"." per MOS:QUOTE
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Pipe green screen to Chroma key
 * ✅ — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "to do prosthetics for" → "to handle prosthetics for"
 * ✅, and added new content about the number of prosthetics people (from the same source) — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The usage of Unreal Engine is sourced, but not for the introduction
 * ✅, forgot that the opening shot isn't the only animated sequence. — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Accolades

 * Move this to being the second para of reception but not a sub-section
 * ❌, not sure what you mean by this. Would you like it to be in prose? — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ — VersaceSpace  🌃 14:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Charts

 * Good

Release history

 * Good

Final comments and verdict

 * until all of the issues are fixed; this is a bit messy in parts but should be resolved alright! --K. Peake 11:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Regarding the changes that you are confused about, I meant the release sentence should use "the album" instead of its title which has been fixed now and write August 31 instead, so it is less repetitive. Also, the accolades should be a separate para in reception and written out in prose since one small table is not enough to warrant a full section. --K. Peake 09:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have further comments for you; why does the Vulture ref not show "Need to Know" when I load it, can you replace the Twitter ref with a citation from Billboard magazine's website and when will you implement the remaining changes? --K. Peake 07:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi I've been waiting for  to implement some reference changes since they expanded the article, but it seems like he's a bit busy, would waiting for him be okay? Also, would you be fine with me removing the points that have been addressed with ✅. — VersaceSpace  🌃 14:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be fine with waiting for him, however what do you mean about removing the points? --K. Peake 07:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I bolded the points that are incomplete for easy viewing. — VersaceSpace  🌃 15:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there anything left that you have yet to implement, or should I do a read through now? --K. Peake 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing left that I can see on this page, Kyle Peake. Please do. — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ now, impressive job on this one! --K. Peake 20:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * we did it! — VersaceSpace  🌃 20:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Periodd!! Good ass article (even though it says nothing about the reversed hi-hats haha). Thanks for nominating it and sorry I didn’t carry my load well enough. You’re a great editor :) — cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝)  06:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)