Talk:Nefesh B'Nefesh

Long live Guf B'Guf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.1.193 (talk) 16:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Whilst the Guf B'Guf thing is hilariously funny, it's vandalism to keep putting it back. This is Wikipedia, guys, not a blog. Please let's keep it neutral and factual and help make this an encyclopedic entry, not a practical joke or a marketing brochure. Thanks. Adochka (talk) 09:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This page seemed to be lifted directly from the NBN brochure or website. As well as being a blatant advertisement, therefore, it was also in the wrong style for an encyclopedia (e.g. referring to "we" and using marketing terminology like "reaching out with a wealth of information". The article also stated that Aliyah from the UK and USA have increased since 2002 - that may be true but there is no reference and more to the point there can be no connection between increases in Aliyah from the UK and NBN before NBN started to operate there! It's a shame to ruin a factual guide to this organization by making the article into a NBN marketing brochure - and that's not what Wikipedia is about anyway. (I'm an Olah so I feel informed enough to edit this page...) Let's keep it neutral. Adochka (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Guf B'Guf, huh? I'm torn between the part of me that loves Wikipedia and wants to help keep it as accurate as possible and the part of me that is still rolling on the floor laughing at the misinformation jokes.

The part about smiling for the last time before dealing with the bureaucracy and taxes should stay though, that's totally true. Srsly.

Criticism for its obvious discrimination?
I find it hard to believe there aren't reliable sources criticizing the blatant discrimination of the 'higher jews' of US and UK. --Leladax (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? Wes! &#149; Tc

I would give this point another spin, instead of talking about discrimination, there could be talks about Nefesh B'Nefesh extending its attention and services to other countries (or all countries) instead of just three. I would specially consider Brazil, France, Argentina, among other countries (or, again, all countries), who have very high Jewish population.Elazar.Pimentel (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Found some articles that merit examination to be included in a Criticism section https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-critics-nefesh-b-nefesh-execs-overpaid-1.5193770?v=1593530464470 https://www.haaretz.com/nbn-got-95-of-aliyah-funds-1.5248326

Oleh
Why does the reference to Oleh point to a page about Nigeria? Can this point to the Olim URL until a proper disambiguated Oleh page is created?

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Requested changes and updates
As the declared COI editor for Nefesh B'Nefesh, I am requesting some changes to simplify and consolidate the content of this article through updates and/or removal of old information, the inclusion of new and relevant information, and the clarification of details. These are my suggestions:
 * Removal of the 5th section, entitled "Hanukkah flash mob," as it is old information and irrelevant to the ongoing work of the organization.
 * Update the list of partners (current 6th section) to remove old partners and read as follows (sourced by the Nefesh B'Nefesh website as per WP:ABOUTSELF) :
 * Ministry of Aliyah and Integration, Jewish Agency for Israel, Jewish National Fund, JNF-USA, Population and Immigration Authority, The Ministry for the Development of the Negev and Galilee, Ministry of Health (Israel), Jerusalem Municipality, The Jewish Federations of North America, Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF), Marcus Foundation

In the Services section, please add:
 * Government and advocacy: Nefesh B’Nefesh has provided assistance with Israeli bureaucratic procedures and helped olim overcome absorption challenges through its Government Advocacy Department.
 * Medical and professional Aliyah track: In January 2008, Nefesh B’Nefesh, in conjunction with the Legacy Heritage Fund, offered fellowship grants to physicians making Aliyah in order to help counteract a projected shortage of physicians in Israel. Nefesh B’Nefesh also began working directly with the Israeli Ministry of Health to enable medical professionals to efficiently convert and receive their licenses.
 * MedEx: Since 2019, Nefesh B’Nefesh holds an annual “MedEx” event in the United States, at which medical professionals, who are in the process of making Aliyah, can meet representatives from the Israeli Ministry of Health licensing division, the Israel Medical Association (IMA), Israel’s National Health Funds (Kupot Holim), and Israeli hospitals. As of 2023, more than 3800 medical professionals from various specialties have made Aliyah through Nefesh B’Nefesh.
 * UpGrade: In 2021, Nefesh B'Nefesh created UpGrade, an employment program offering career training courses for olim.
 * Go Beyond program: In December 2008, Nefesh B’Nefesh, the Israeli government and the Jewish Agency, and with the support of the Russell Berrie Foundation, created the “Go North” initiative, offering incentives to prospective immigrants to move to northern Israel. In 2013, Nefesh B’Nefesh, KKL and JNF-USA created “Go South,” incentivizing olim moving to southern Israel. In 2017, Nefesh B'Nefesh combined the two programs under "Go Beyond."
 * Tel Aviv Hub: The Nefesh B’Nefesh TLV Hub, located on Rothschild Boulevard in Tel Aviv, is a free co-working space staffed by NBN professionals.
 * Lone Soldiers: In cooperation with the Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces (FIDF), Nefesh B'Nefesh established the Lone Soldiers Program to assist immigrants serving in the IDF, regardless of their country of origin. The program annually supports approximately 3500 lone soldier olim, serving in a range of positions in the IDF for the duration of their service.
 * Ori:The Ori program assists Lone National Service Volunteer olim with their needs during their year of service. In its first year, 2019, Ori helped 150 girls from all over the world, who completed their national service in medical institutions, educational facilities, and government organizations.
 * Zionist Education Initiative (ZEI): In 2022, Nefesh B’Nefesh created its Zionist Education Initiative to educate student groups about Zionism in the modern world.
 * Here Next Year: Nefesh B’Nefesh, in partnership with Here Next Year, is an annual fair that offers guidance to gap-year students who plan to remain in Israel. The fair includes information on service in the Israel Defense Forces, National Service, ulpan, higher education, and career advice.

Thank you. LA for NBN (talk) 09:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Reply 30-AUG-2023
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. Spintendo 03:26, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Spintendo, I've modified the request as per your feedback and reopened it in the queue.
 * I updated the source for the Medical and professional aliyah track
 * I clarified the source for the Tel Aviv Hub and adjusted the language according to the source.
 * I updated the source for Lone Soldiers.
 * I'd also appreciate your attention to the first two bullets of the original request:
 * Deletion of the Hanukkah flash mob section as both irrelevant and all the sources supporting it are broken/primary.
 * Updating the list of the current partners with appropriate Wikilinks.
 * Thank you very much for your help.LA for NBN (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Due to the complexity of your request, I'm going to ask that you submit a new edit request below this reply post, rather than modifying your previous request. Regards, Spintendo  21:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Revised edit request for updates
I am requesting some changes to simplify, update, and clarify details in this article. These are my suggestions:
 * 1) Removal of the 5th section, entitled "Hanukkah flash mob," as it is old information, unencyclopedic, and irrelevant to the ongoing work of the organization.
 * 2) Update the list of partners (current 6th section) to remove old partners and read as follows (sourced by the Nefesh B'Nefesh website as per WP:ABOUTSELF) : Ministry of Aliyah and Integration, Jewish Agency for Israel, Jewish National Fund, JNF-USA, Population and Immigration Authority, The Ministry for the Development of the Negev and Galilee, Ministry of Health (Israel), Jerusalem Municipality, The Jewish Federations of North America, Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF), Marcus Foundation
 * 3) In the Services section, add:
 * Medical and professional Aliyah track: In January 2008, Nefesh B’Nefesh, in conjunction with the Legacy Heritage Fund, offered fellowship grants to physicians making Aliyah in order to help counteract a projected shortage of physicians in Israel. Nefesh B’Nefesh also began working directly with the Israeli Ministry of Health to enable medical professionals to efficiently convert and receive their licenses.
 * Tel Aviv Hub: The Nefesh B’Nefesh TLV Hub, located on Rothschild Boulevard in Tel Aviv, is a free co-working space staffed by NBN professionals.
 * Lone Soldiers: In cooperation with the Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces (FIDF), Nefesh B'Nefesh established the Lone Soldiers Program to assist immigrants serving in the IDF, regardless of their country of origin. The program annually supports approximately 3500 lone soldier olim, serving in a range of positions in the IDF for the duration of their service.

, thanks for helping with these updates! LA for NBN (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The flash mob section is merged into history; the partners trimmed. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * and, thank you both for your attention here. I reopened this request as I'd like to ask for its renewed consideration , you addressed #1 and #2 of my revised edit request above. From the list of partners, I noticed that you did not include Ministry of Aliyah and Integration, Ministry of Health (Israel), Population and Immigration Authority, and the Jerusalem Municipality which all have wiki entries. Is there a reason you left them out? Similarly, NBN no longer partners with Prime Minister's Office (Israel) so that should not be included in the list. As per WP:ABOUTSELF, the list of NBN's partners can be supported by the organization's website. I'd also ask that you reconsider the inclusion of the flash mob content. I think a closer look at the provided sources suggests that it isn't worthy of inclusion in the encyclopedia?
 * , you closed the request without addressing the requested modifications to the Services section (#3 of the above) which are still pending; they were not part of Iskandar's edits. I'd appreciate your implementation of those changes. Thank you LA for NBN (talk) 09:19, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I updated the partners list based on the current archived source present on the page. In terms of the updated link provided, I'm not sure simply having logos on the website is sufficient evidence that these are partners. It's a bit of a grey area in terms of sourcing, as is frankly the weight of all of this material based solely on the organization's own website. True doesn't mean due, and I'm not comfortable putting information in Wikivoice based on this level of sourcing. I've removed the flash mob material after reviewing the sources more closely, since, based on the level of sourcing there, that does also appear to be rather undue. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Next updates.
I would like to suggest a couple more updates for the History section of the article:
 * At the end of the History section, please add that in November 2021, Nefesh B’Nefesh opened its new Aliyah campus opposite the Supreme Court in Jerusalem.
 * At the end of the second paragraph of the History section, please add that as of August 2022, Nefesh B'Nefesh has facilitated the aliyah process for over 75,000 people.

Thank you! LA for NBN (talk) 07:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added the first point as requested, and the second point's text content as requested, but placed it at the end of the history section. I believe this is a better place for it as placing it at the end of the second paragraph would be out-of-order with the chronology of the section.

This text is able to be placed in other sections such as the lead if you'd prefer.

Thanks, Encoded   Talk 💬 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)