Talk:Negima!?

Character Descriptions
Since the characters have some difference from the original Negima - should this anime have its own list of characters? After all, many characters are omitted - aside from Miss Shizuna and the Kyoto characters. KyuuA4 17:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Character Setup section. This info. should be brought over to the character pages. Each already have subsections discussing differences between versions. KyuuA4 07:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Character Room Assignments
The rooming assignments are very much different when compared to the manga. For instance, instead of with Yue and Nodoka, Haruna is now rooming with Kū Fei. The girls' room assignments in Mahora's dorms are revealed in Episode 7:
 * Chizuru Naba and Natsumi Murakami (without Ayaka Yukihiro in the manga)
 * Asuna Kagurazaka and Konoka Konoe (with Negi as their roommate)
 * Ayaka Yukihiro and Makie Sasaki
 * Nodoka Miyazaki and Yue Ayase*
 * Haruna Saotome and Kū Fei*
 * Chao Lingshen and Satsuki Yotsuba
 * Misora Kasuga and Akira Okochi
 * Kaede Nagase and Setsuna Sakurazaki
 * The Narutaki Twins are staying with each other
 * Chisame Hasegawa, Satomi Hakase and Kazumi Asakura each staying alone
 * The cheerleaders (Misa Kakizaki, Madoka Kugimiya and Sakurako Shiina)
 * Mana Tatsumiya and Zazie Rainyday
 * Ako Izumi and Yuna Akashi
 * Chachamaru Karakuri and Evangeline McDowell (in a separate cabin at the outskirts of Mahora)
 * Sayo does not have a room and wanders around by herself

Furthermore, characters are usually grouped together accordingly throughout the series. For example, Chizuru and Natsumi together maintain the Astronomy Clock room.

* These two rooms have an access hole through the wall between them.

Characters Setup

 * Asuna first meets Negi after witnessing his magic.
 * When Negi attempts to erase Asuna's memories of seeing his magic, Asuna is not stripped of her clothes, but instead, Negi, Asuna & Chamo are hit by metal pans. The same thing happens when Negi tried to erase Nodoka's memories, though only Chamo is beaned by a pan. Apparently, this is one spell that Negi can't get right.
 * Negi wears a wrist bracelet (which was supposed to be his father's)
 * Chamo is with Negi from the start, and he is less perverted.
 * Takahata used his magic to heal Makie, Konoka and Nodoka after they were attacked by Evangeline. In the Manga, Makie wasn't healed of her bite, and Evangeline used her to turn Yuna, Ako, and Akira into vampires as well. Negi healed them all after the battle.
 * Kazumi, Natsumi, Chizuru, and Ayaka were all attacked by Evangeline.
 * Chachamaru is nearly destroyed by Negi during a fight with Evangeline.
 * After the first battle with Evangeline in episode 3, the anime skips ahead of time after the events of the OVA to when Class 2-A becomes Class 3-A
 * Chisame's Net Idol Page is 2nd place after someone randomly puts up images of school girls, with Nodoka's image being #1. Although Chisame tries to keep her Net Idol identity a secret, she becomes peeved when other students (particularly Chizuru) begin calling her "Chiu-Chiu-chan" in public.
 * Sayo is introduced much earlier in the series than in the manga or first anime.
 * In the manga, Takahata can't use incantation magic. In this new series, he's a mage.
 * Both Haruna and Yue discover Negi's secret at the same time when he uses his magic to save Nodoka from falling after she tripped on some books in her dorm room.
 * Instead of Chamo, Chachamaru is the one to tell Negi that she is a robot. Satomi makes it clear that she built Chachamaru rather than Negi just finding out through a course of events.
 * Asuna isn't nearly as astonished, or for that matter, annoyed by Negi upon learning of his status as a mage.
 * Negi isn't scared of Eva at all like he was after he first fought her.
 * Misora does not know about the existence of magic before Negi's arrival. She seems to be interested in yoga exercises, and unlike her manga counterpart, has a Pactio with Negi.

Characters Appearance
Studio Shaft gave the characters different appearances from the original.
 * Asuna's hair, although the same style from the manga and 1st anime series, tends to take on a life of its own in some situations usually reflecting her current mood or actions. She also has two blue eyes instead of having heterochromia (one blue eye and one green eye).
 * Ako Izumi's hair is grey rather than blue, and her eyes are gold rather than red.
 * Sakurako Shiina's hair is blonde rather than red.
 * Yue Ayase's hair is purple rather than blue.
 * Natsumi Murakami's hair is green rather than red. She also has a bit of a girl-crush on her roommate, Chizuru. Her outgoing personality comes in stark contrast to that of the first anime.
 * Akira Okochi's hair is brown rather than black.
 * Yuuna Akashi's hair is brown rather than black.
 * Misora Kasuga's hair is brown instead of red. Her skin is a bit darker.  And her flexibility (rivalling Makie's) is emphasized instead of her being a nun from the last series.
 * Kaede Nagase's hair is now brown (her original color) instead of yellow.
 * Chisame Hasegawa's hair is now brown (the original color) instead of green. The hair color of her net idol alter ego, Chiu, is now pink instead of brown.
 * Satsuki Yotsuba appears slightly slimmer.
 * Chachamaru wears purple stockings on her legs that cover up her leg joints.
 * Takahata's glasses are slightly different, the frame surrounds both lenses rather than just the bottom and the sides
 * Despite being so-called identical twins, Fumika has blue-green eyes while her sister Fuka has brown.
 * Nodoka's hair color is blue rather than her original purple and is bouncier/fluffier. Also her hair doesn't cover her eyes completely unless she lowers her head or in her Suka form.

I've already added some of the descriptions to the other pages. I'll be noting some of the others later on.

About Pactio Cards
In the anime, the cards referenced in the article as "Armor" cards, seem to be called "Rare" cards (レアーカード) in the Anime, although in the official web, they are called "Armor". 62.57.173.217 19:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the focus of this article is the anime. KyuuA4 19:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Separate Story
Now, that more of this series is shown. It is time to treat this series as a separate story instead of a comparison to the manga or the first anime. KyuuA4 18:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Game Information
There is no prose in the main body of the article about the game. KyuuA4 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

What's your opinion so far?
I've watched the first episode today. And I'm surprised of the difference between the original and this one. Negima!? has a whole other feeling than the original one. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, guess I'd have to see more of it. FreakingWesley 10:26 12 Octobert 2006 (GMT+1)


 * I am personally enjoying noticing the differences from original manga material. Having learned of a completely new series based on the same characters, this will be interesting. KyuuA4 05:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Akamatsu's Opinion
So, what is Ken Akamatsu's opinion regarding the creation of a new story based on his theme, setting, and characters? KyuuA4 06:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In his diary he approved of this rendition. 66.158.49.6 16:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, check it out at ailove.net, although if you can't read Japanese, that's a problem.

Differences from Earlier Story Write Up
Eventually, it will no longer be feasable to maintain a list format. KyuuA4 06:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the article needs to start discussing the series on it's own story and merits rather than how different it is to the original series. Shiroi Hane 08:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * True. Yet fairly difficult to do at this point due to this new series "infancy".  Suppose, the listed items can serve as notes. KyuuA4 05:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, by the 4th episode, this series is taking up a story on its own. Therefore, the differences list can be shortened or made obsolete. KyuuA4 16:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Chao's seiyu
The voice actor of Chao was changed too. However I don't know who is and who were in the Xebec anime. General Norris 15:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Saa, Baka Rainyaa! Ikke Baka Rainyaa!
Can't stop loving the Baka Rangers. I'm sad to hear they're not here anymore. There needs to be a single from their theme song. SAA! Baka Rangers!

There is a Baka Ranger short at the end of every episode.66.158.49.6 16:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not Episode 4. At the end of this one, it features Konoka speaking about the next episode; and she is followed by Asuna composing a "Chupacabra" song. LOL. KyuuA4 02:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a Baka Ranger clip at the end of episode 7, so hopefully this means it's coming back.--Foe666 10:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Infobox code with OVA info
The infobox code for Negima OVA data from the edit box. KyuuA4 19:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Already included in Mahou Sensei Negima page. KyuuA4 06:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

About the edit war going on
Please see Talk:Characters of Negima (16-31)‎ MythSearchertalk 17:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This page is protected now. Discuss here please.  3RR blocks may be coming as well.  —Wknight94 (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that. I had to delete someones rants over a volume that cannot be proven facts. Someone needs to lock that as well, or just ban him from editing, because this is gonna turn into a neverending edit war>_>.Jopchan121 22:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

About the flood-editing.
AnimeDude has been continuously adding unverified statements and opinions making the article inaccurate and doubtful. I ask for a moderator o something of the like to put a stop to the flood-editing and revert all the modifications this user has done to this article. Yukodrigo 19:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Conjecture
The following part of the entry:


 * However despite the new look from the old series and manga this series has been getting a lot more flak from critics and fans alike than when the 1st series aired. Many complaints stem from the fact that most of the characters have been redesigned to look different than from the old anime series and the manga. Most of which center around Nodoka and her new hairdo that essentially looks almost totally different than from the manga and 1st anime. there has also been complaints about her so called "Cosplay Card" that gives her a pair of reading glasses. Also for the reason that Asuna no longer has her signature heterochromia (2 different colored eyes). Many people also are complaining about it because it has nothing to do with the original Manga story line what-so-ever. Many Professional critics have complained that despite that it's a retelling of the story, the story-line itself seems to be totally incoherent and just plain not well thought out. There have even been calls for it's cancellation altogether. And there are rumors that Akamatsu may just pull his license out of the series, effectively canceling the show.

is nothing but but rubbish made up by a disgruntled fan of the series. This guy has been going across virtually every anime forum and site that covers the anime and bad mouthing it. The give away sentence is: "Most of which center around Nodoka and her new hairdo that essentially looks almost totally different than from the manga and 1st anime. there has also been complaints about her so called "Cosplay Card" that gives her a pair of reading glasses." The guy is a Nodoka fanatic and this is a perfect example of that. I thought Wikipedia was meant to be about fact, not the opinion of one nutball. Fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thecheesemanakin (talk • contribs).
 * What are others' opinion of this? This is what the edit war was over, right?  —Wknight94 (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's nothing but made-up rubbish. Is there a mod or higher up we can ask for help??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kahad (talk • contribs).


 * I have reported this guy to the AIV(Administrator intervention against vandalism), however, the mods at that time think that it is just a content dispute instead of vandalism and asked me to use the 3RR board instead. However, since I am involved in the edit war, I cannot report the opposing party.  If anyone wants to carry on the job, please follow the guildlines on Administrator intervention against vandalism and the best template I can find on Template:TestTemplates now is the  (Not adhering to neutral point of view) template.  If anyone can post a comment 2~4 after every edit that user made, if he/she came back to reverting after the comment4 warning, the AIV page can be used.  Currently, I'd say try to unblock this page at the Requests for page protection or the lower Current requests for significant edits to a protected page to delete the POV about angering fans and anything alike. MythSearchertalk 05:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I myself am a Nodoka fan, but even I found the other person`s statement to be a bit too much. That paragraph was too biased to be considered as a part of the "Overview" of the series. Let real critics to the critiquing and verify the sources (important!) to back up these claims.64.229.112.183 17:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It appears no one has spoken in favor of that paragraph. I'll remove the protection for now but please do use WP:AN3 instead of edit warring here.  If there's only one person adding that paragraph, he'll reach the revert limit quick.  Please add a 3RR warning to his talk page if he gets close to 3RR.  —Wknight94 (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

As a reminder, Fan-Favoritism is often discouraged around Wiki. Wiki is based on fact and basically telling how it is. If anyone has a problem with that, then I'll recommend going to Unencyclopedia. KyuuA4 05:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Story Themes

 * After the defeat of Evangeline early in the series, she is normally shown with Takahata, Shichimi, Motsu, and/or Chachamaru. In pure Japanese fashion, they have tea and/or ramen noodles.
 * The characters often find themselves in magical settings. These are usually places virtually created by magic.  Characters can either use their own magic or defeat the enemy in order to return to their setting of origin.
 * Setsuna openly acts as Konoka's protector, as opposed to one in the shadows. The Sakurazaki family has been protecting the Konoe family for generations. Scenes from their childhood together show their long friendship; and Setsuna's behavior hints for a relationship more than friendship with Konoka.
 * References of the chupacabra have been shown throughout, from the ending skits to the Chupacabra Research Group. Even Negi himself was briefly turned into a chupacabra.  After ordering too many Chupacabra T-shirts, Asuna has been particularly obsessed with distributing them.
 * Natsumi is often confused by Chizuru's words, either vocal or texted via cell phone.
 * Makie is the butt of many jokes in this series, with Ayaka consistently telling her that "she fails at being Makie Sasaki". Furthermore, she is always the abused member of the Baka Rangers during the shorts at the end of the episode.
 * Unlike typical anime series, the use of eyecatches are used more frequently. Instead of merely signifying commercial breaks, the eyecatches are sometimes used as scene and story breaks within episodes.
 * Takahata is typically found eating noodles.
 * The hair features of Asuna and Haruna are used. Asuna's pigtails show her emotion. The two hair strands on top of Haruna's head are shown in close-up view whenever she arrives at a scene.
 * Aside from face faults and hammerspace, the animation style momentarily switches for comic effect, ranging from realistic faces to copying certain character designs of other cartoons, such as 70s cartoons like Candy Candy.

Some of this material can be written back into paragraph form. Not all will be used. KyuuA4 04:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Parodies
The "twirling leeks" in Ep.15 could also be spring onions, which are 'Negi' (ねぎ) in Japanese. [Shichimi] is "Seven Spice", a japanese spice mixture. Ranma 19:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would go further and say that this is far more likely than the interpretation made in the article. 150.101.121.216 11:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I think the statement in the article about the leeks fits, see Loituma_Girl
 * Also, I believe Asuna's transformation sequence in the third episode is a reference to Sailor Moon; as well as a similar one in episode 2 with Evangeline as well. Anybody else think so? Golden kintaro 10:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks more like trivia material. Some of this material CAN be reintroduced back into the article (as examples), but not all of it.KyuuA4 04:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Parodies
Various parodies and references to other media works have been found throughout the series.

Trivial Info
Much of this article contains trivia. Eventually, that will be weeded out. See: WP:TRIV KyuuA4 19:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Other

 * Spells consist of a key incantation (eg Negi's "Rastel Maskir Magister" and Eva's "Lic Lac La Lac Lilac..."), then the actual spell is invoked in Japanese and seems to involve calling upon some spirit. There is then a closing incantation to release the spell (eg. Negi's "Tel ma Amoris!" and Eva's "Lic lac Spiritus!")
 * The battle between Evangeline and the Thousand Master ended in real magical combat rather than the Thousand Master's pitfall trap in the manga.
 * Not only were Negi and Nodoka both aware of what they were doing when Nodoka made her Pactio, but also the Pactio kiss was a regular one, instead of an accidental kiss that happened in the manga.
 * The order of Setsuna and Konoka's Pactios are switched, with Konoka making her Pactio before Setsuna's in the SHAFT version.
 * In order to make Sayo visible, Evangeline cast a spell on her to allow her to be seen through a camera or any other electronical device, even though Sayo could already possess computers and allow herself to be seen as in the "Wintermute" incident in Episode 7.
 * Unlike the original manga, the Narutaki twins learnt of Negi's secret and formed separate pactios with him.
 * It is noted that Kaede discovering Negi's secret is told in nearly the same fashion as in the Akamatsu manga; the difference, however, is that Kaede is more open in telling Negi she knows his secret (instead of keeping it silent from Negi himself), and she also forms a pactio with him.
 * Whereas the girls' magic training in the manga was the result of both Konoka's grandfather wanting her to start learning magic and Yue and Nodoka wanting to learn magic in hopes of helping Negi defeat a dragon that they confronted in Library Island, the new series has Negi teaching his girls how to use magic as part of some planned training during a camping trip.
 * While the manga has Haruna making her Pactio after Yue, the new series has Haruna making her Pactio first, with Yue finding out about how a kiss is required to make a Pactio through this event.
 * While the punishment for revealing magic to others is being turned into an ermine in the manga and original series, in the new series, the animal that a magic revealer turns into depends on the person (for instance, in the case of Negi, he turns into a Chupacabra).
 * The classroom resembles more of a university lecture hall instead of a standard public school classroom.
 * Negima?! is referenced on other anime. For instance, episode 2 of Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei shows Negi and Asuna as puppets, during Fuura's and Itoshiki's visit to Komori's house.

Full deletion?
Is there some reason why the whole article was deleted? The comments left in place seemed rather childish.
 * The recent vandalism is just a very childish and very stupid attempt to have a legit article removed for no valid reason. This is third time the article has been protected because of some vandal wanted it removed just because he/she didn't like it. - 上村七美 | talk 10:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Need for References
Unfortunately, they're mostly in Japanese. Google searches usually turn up material on the first Negima series. If anyone can read Japanese and cite (or bring) some sources here, that will be nice. KyuuA4 06:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

FUNimation Licensing
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw Negima!: Magister Negi Magi on FUNimation Channel instead of the remake, but does this licensing cover both the orginal and the remade series? TinFoil 00:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It now is, but the remake won't be out until next year. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 01:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean this version of Negima won't reach the US until 2008? I don't get it really. sonicmaster1223 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.199.249 (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

ANA Fan Group
Apparently, that's the group opposing and vandalizing this series and this article. If anyone can find their site, that would be much appreciated. I'm willing to suspect it's this one. Obviously, it is just conjecture at this point. KyuuA4 04:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. If we can find an English anti-Negima!? site, it will be better and tell the people behind it that vandalism is never tolerated in Wikipedia, whether they like it or not. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 04:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also been thinking that if enough of these "ANA" sites are found, we can present this as evidence to put this article in permanent semi-protection the next time this attack happens again at least two months from now. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Baka Rangers Endings
Needing some cleanup. Needs to be less episodic and be able to describe all the episodes within one paragraph. KyuuA4 19:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Baka Ranger Episodes
In a running series of omake shorts, the five Bakarangers of class 3-A (Asuna, Yue, Ku-Fei, Makie, Kaede) are depicted as an actual sentai team, similar in nature to the live action series created by Toei. In these shorts, the Bakarangers fight in a battle against evil, particularly against the dreaded menace of the evil Dr. Pooh. However, most of the focus of the humor of these episodes revolve around the mishaps and mistreatment of Baka Pink (Makie), who always ends up at the butt of all the jokes in this series. (including having her introduction cut off, getting squashed by their mecha, and, in an attempt to actually assist her team, blowing them up with their enemy's bomb.) One of the few moments where Baka Pink gets a moment to shine is in the creation of a special movie by the Yukihiro Group, "Yuke Yuke Baka Pink", who's preview is shown as part of one of the later omake. (yet ultimately is found not suitable for any audience as well as emphasizes the comedic rivalry between Makie and Ayaka in this rendition of the story) -StrangerAtaru 20:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect link
I was thinking of adding a redirect link at the top of this article something along the lines of "Negima!?" redirects here. For the first television series or original manga Mahou Sensei Negima see Negima!: Magister Negi Magi

The other page links here but not the other way around so it could be a bit confusing I will add it in tomorrow if I don't get any objections but of course feel free to talk about it after I've added it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silent Elf (talk • contribs) 00:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Review(s)
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/right-turn-only/2010-08-31 ANN Right Turn Only NEGIMA!? NEO vol. 6] Mania.com vol. 5 --KrebMarkt (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)