Talk:Neighborhoods in Plymouth, Massachusetts

Pine Hills vs. The Pinehills
I'm not quite sure why Pine Hills is listed here as a neighborhood. It is a geographic region, not a neighborhood. At the same time, The Pinehills is a development, not a neighborhood. Neither really belongs on this list. Raime 16:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct, Pine Hills is a region. As far as The Pinehills goes, while it's a development, it's far away from other sections of town and other villages. I don't have an answer right now. Ed 12:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I Checked in the official American Map Atlas today; The Pinehills is considered a neighborhood, Pine Hills is only a region. So, I've removed Pine Hills (and you were right to remove Manomet Hill and Cleft Rock), and instated The Pinehills. However, The Pinehills is not a village, so I have chosen not to name it The Pinehills, Massachusetts, and it is also not a geographic location. So, I've left as is (The Pinehills), to go along with the developments of Colony Place and The Shops at 5. As it is not part of another neighborhood, and Rocky Point is not located within the development, I've left both as distinct "villages" under South Plymouth. Raime 02:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Clark's Island
I was unaware that Clark's Island now belongs to Duxbury. The last two sentences in the Geography section of the main article of Plymouth do not indicate that. When was Clark's Island ceded to Duxbury? Is there any note of that in Duxbury's article? Ed 12:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is wrong information. Someone wrote that it was part of Duxbury in the original Plymouth Geography article, but I checked yesterday and it is incorrect. I changed it in the Plymouth article, but forgot to fix it here. Clark's Island is and has always been part of Plymouth. I'll change the information. Raime 12:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Flagg Hill
I have never heard of Flagg Hill in Plymouth. I did a search, and found a Flagg Hill in Boxborough MA, extending into the neighboring town of Stow. Ed 02:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a small neighborhood located between Gunners Exchnage Pond and Island Pond, directly south of South Pond. It can be accessed through Gunners Exchange Road, off Long Pond Road. Found information from American Map Metro Boston Atlas, Seventh Edition, Page 188. It is mentioned briefly here (in-text: NOTE: There are two other "Island Ponds" in the town of Plymouth. One is north-east of Flagg Hill and the other is west of Cedarville. Great Island Pond is ...). Raime 03:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So that's what that neighborhood around Gunners Exchange is called. Wow! I'm absolutely floored about learning this information. Believe me, I have never heard that name before. And I have never seen that name in print, even when there was a newspaper article last year about an excessive speed limit on Gunners Exchange Road. Ed 04:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I traveled to Gunners Exchange Road today. No one there has heard of Flagg Hill. I then went to Plymouth Town Hall. The people in the Plymouth Assessor's Office have never heard of that location or neighborhood. Hmm . . . Perhaps someone at The Pinehills is redrawing Plymouth's map without telling anyone. Ed 20:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not just The Pinehills, it's also the American Map Metro Boston Atlas. But, if the town government has never heard of it, that is sufficient for removal from the list. Raime 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I consulted another source, Massachusetts Atlas and Gazetteer, published by DeLorme. On Page 59 I found Flagg Hill in Plymouth. It is a hill, 235 feet in elevation, near Hoyt Pond. Based on our experience with Manomet Hill, since Flagg Hill is even less notable, I think we can put this matter to sleep once and for all. Ed 22:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Wellingsley
Is Wellingsley a real "neighborhood"? I've always thought that Jabez Corner was the neighborhood, and Wellingsley was a road inside of it. That is also how the Atlas put it, so I've reinstated Jabez Corner, and put Wellingsley underneath it, as "Wellingsley Avenue" is considered the main road of Jabez Corner. Wellingsley is not used interchangeably with Jabez Corner, but is actually inside of it. Raime 12:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Jabez Corner is simply the intersection of Warren Avenue and Sandwich Street. In other words, it's a location, not the entire neighborhood. And Jabez Corner is inside Wellingsley. Wellingsley Avenue is a side dead-end street just north of Jabez Corner. It appears that this article is inside-out one way or another. :( Whichever way this is resolved, either with Jabez Corner or Wellingsley as the main title, that will be it, and the other name will be contained within the main article, and that will be the final answer, with your possibly re-titling and relocating the article. Ed 16:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I don't know which way to go, I only listed Jabez Corner because I was using information taken from the atlas. But that's interesting, considering all the times I drove by that locale, I had always thought the entire neighborhood was called Jabez Corner. Do you think a "Wellingsley (Jabez Corner)" entry would work, with the article name remaining at Wellingsley, and Jabez Corner as a redirect? Raime 00:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That may work. I wonder how many other Plymoutheans see it. I know, that's what Wikipedia considers to be "original research" and can't be used in an article. I just want to placate myself. Ed 01:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I found another source of information: http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/cisuno/unoidx.htm. The Massachusetts Secretary of State website has a list of unincorporated villages in Massachusetts. This list is not entirely accurate as some locations being listed as parts of Plymouth are either part of a different town or, as far as I can determine, non-existant. However, I am going to research the following places that may be neighborhoods: Billington Sea, Darby, and Raymond. The last name may be a street name south of West Wind Shores along Big Sandy Pond. Some facts that I can verify from this list: 1. Gurnet is the southern tip of Duxbury Beach within Plymouth's borders where the Plymouth Lighthouse is located on Gurnet Point, east of Saquish Neck. Saquish is misspelled on MA SOS's list as it's missing the h. 2. The former name of Cordage is Seaside. 3. Wellingsly, as mentioned in the Wellingsley's article with the alternate spelling, is indeed the name of the neighborhood according to MA SOS. Hmm ... I'll update all this as soon as possible. Ed 12:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Update! Billington Sea and Darby are neighborhoods according to the Assessors office. Raymond is not. I'll update. I'll rewrite Billington Sea's article, similar to Long Pond's and Halfway Pond's articles. Ed 18:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

New Terminology
I paid a visit to Plymouth Town Hall on 31 August. According to the Town Engineer the only Village Districts or Zoning Overlays (this is the first time I have ever heard of either of these terms) in Plymouth are Plymouth Center, North Plymouth, West Plymouth, Manomet and Cedarville. Note that South Plymouth is not a Village District, nor are places like Ellisville, Vallerville or Chiltonville. There are no set boundaries between Village Districts, villages or neighborhoods. There is no real problem with anything written thus far; just a different way of seeing things. We do need to incorporate this information into this article and probably the main Plymouth article as well. Ed 18:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)