Talk:Neil Peart/Archive 1

Health?
I saw some pictures online dated this year that show Peart with a swollen purplish nose. Are there any reliable sources reporting on his health? tharsaile (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Objectivist
Is Peart really an Objectivist? Didn't he say, specifically in relation to Rand/Objectivism the "he is no ones disciple"? Just because 2112 is based on Anthem doesn't make him an Objectivist, using that criteria you could label him a Nietzschian based on Hemispheres KaptKos 09:29, 24 April 2006
 * Since no one responded to this I have removed the cat. I think the quote from Peart in the article shows he wouldn't want to be considered one anyway --KaptKos 08:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

R30
Neil won best recorded performance in the Modern Drummer reader's poll on the 19th of May, so i updated the awards list. He also won best instructional video for "Anatomy of a Drum Solo" and best Rock drummer, yet i did not think that he was still eligable for the latter of these awards, can anyone clarify this? --RG
 * Yes, it appears as though Peart amassed the largest number of votes in the category of "Best Rock Drummer" in 2006. Unforunately, his ineligibility precludes him from officially "winning", so perhaps 2006 should be removed from the the "Best Rock Drummer" line and replaced with a notation that indicates this. The other awards obviously should stay. Wisdom89 16:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Fog vs Frog
It was the Great Frog see here and here and the shop itself — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaptKos (talk • contribs) 17:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Links to fan sites
I was contacted via private email by the site owner of http://www.neilpeartdrumsticks.com. Apparently, it is he who has been repeatedly adding the link to that site. His argument is that he's not selling anything directly and he's just a fan with a fansite. I pointed him at WP:EL and asked him to bring the discussion here. He did make the legit point that his site wasn't any worse (and arguably better than) some of the other fansite links, so I removed those that I felt failed to meet the guidelines at WP:EL. I left the link to www.2112.net because it contains actual unique content (an interview with the article subject). --DragonHawk 22:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was right to direct the user to WP:EL. It's pretty cut/dried as to the rules regarding fansite inclusion. If it doesn't add anything that isn't already available in the authorised links(which 99% don't) or if it isn't added as a citation for content...then it shouldn't be there. I will check in as to how this proceeds. If there is concensus among the regular editors that the site should be included..then it should certainly stay. Anger22 22:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello and thank you. DragonHawk has kindly taken the time to explain to me the rules on Fan Sites of which at the time I did not know. I do not wish to have my site linked here any further ... just not worth the headache. I do not understand how the linking of the groups own self promoting websites are allowed then? And the link to Carrie Nuttall's site is purely commercial in the promotion of sales of her photographic works. Not at all an information site as stated in the rules. Peartdrumsticks 22:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Do you know how I can delete my current user account on here? I do not wish to be a member any further. Thank you for your kind help above! Peartdrumsticks 23:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Neil Peart Specs
I never see any measurements for Neil's size and weight, stick reach, and even this same type of measurements for his drum kit. How far does neil have to move his own arm to hit his first tom, next tom, cymbal, hi hat, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.249.67.128 (talk • contribs)
 * On the off-chance that you're not being sarcastic... I'm not sure there are many people out there that ar interested in that level of detail about the man. Personally, I find those things irrelevant. However, if you find that information important, I think you should feel free to post it here, so long as evidence of fact can be provided. Raygun 06:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be interesting to know; especially for aspiring drummers. How relevant that information is in the context of this article is apparently a matter of debate. If he were an athlete it would surely be considered relevant. In his writings, Mr Peart has indicated that, while not athletic as a child, his musical career has led him to be quite fit. Drumming is very physical and I expect one would not be surprised to find correlations between physical attributes and demonstrated proficiency. If that doesn't convice you of relevancy, consider that Wikipedia has an article that discloses the mass of Albert Einstein's brain.

Beamsville?
Peart's book, "Traveling Music", states the following: (p. 49) "In January of 1955, the stork brought my brother Danny, and sister Judy a year after that, and soon we moved to a brand-new split-level in the lakeside suburb of Port Dalhousie." And on page 50, "As my new hometown of Santa Monica was to Los Angeles, so my old hometown of Port Dalhousie was to St. Catharines..." and on page 53, "From grades 1 to 5 I attended Gracefield School, just two blocks from our house." Gracefield School is located at 117 Bayview Drive, clearly in the Port Dalhousie section of St. Catharines. So I'm pretty sure that Beamsville (about 20 km west of Port Dalhousie) is not the town he grew up in. I'll edit the article to reflect this. Raygun 06:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Selena Taylor
See here There is very little content, so we should merge and redirect. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it appears that someone has deleted the Selena Taylor page. Personally, I was indifferent about the article, but seeing as it no longer exists, I'll remove the merge request. Raygun 02:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I put it up for speedy delete as per Criteria for speedy deletion "7. Unremarkable people or groups/vanity pages". Being the daughter of a famous person does not make you notable. Also the details were all OR and very speculative at that, such as "she apparantly enjoyed playing the flute." Complete junk and pointless, as merging would have been as there was nothing worthwhile that isn't here already .  --KaptKos 09:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing paragraph from lyrics section
I removed this recently added paragraph: "He expounds on this frustration with Nazi comparisons in his newest book, Roadshow: Landscape With Drums: A Concert Tour by Motorcycle, along with an interesting revelation: the parents of his bandmate Geddy Lee (who is Jewish by birth) met while in Auschwitz. This puts the song "Red Sector A," a song about the Holocaust, in a very different light." The reasons for its removal are
 * The book should be used as a reference not as detail in this section.
 * This info was not revealed in this book - I first heard about it in the early 80s, I'm sure it was widely know before that
 * The song "Red Sector A" is not specifically about the holocaust and this section deals with songs chronologically and this is out of step without explaining so

regards --KaptKos 10:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Beamsville
Regarding the Beamsville note I can say quite authoritatively that Neil grew up in Port Dalhousie which is in northwest St. Catharines. I grew up in St. Catharines as well and still live in the area. I am very good friends with a person who lived two doors down from Neil's house in Port Dalhousie. In fact my friend's sister attended Neil's recent marriage. In any event, the "one lane bridge" of Red Barchetta fame or "the Bailey Bridge" as its known locally is located in the Town of Lincoln just west of the village of Jordan towards the other village within the Town of Lincoln called Beamsville. More information concerning Neil's hometown and his early days there is available in an article which Neil wrote years ago for the St. Catharines Standard Newspaper describing his early days in St. Catharines. That may be googled by searching "A Port Boy's Story". That published article will clear up much of his early days as he wrote it. Envirocop 05:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Removing popular culture section
I took the liberty of removing this section from the article on account that it is non-notable and a tad fan-crufty. Frankly, I don't see the merit of keeping it based on the content therein. All who disagree may put their comments here to discuss this. We should try and avoid any type of editorial clashing without civil discussion. Wisdom89 20:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with th rm for the reasons stated. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 22:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds acceptable to me. Thanks for being civic.
 * I've never been a fan of the popular culture sections, but don't you think the ATHF movie appearance merits a mention somewhere? :) JuJube 04:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I added some "" to this article.
ALOT fo stuff is unsourced. You guys are having fun on John Bonham so I think it's time to play with Neil Peart a bit. Only sounds fair to me, right? Pie76 02:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are several claims unsourced. I won't agree with you there. However, as far as I can tell, I've never visited the John Bonham article, however, if you're going to point fingers, you were the initial instigator and the first person to mention Bonham with respect to Peart. I'm a pretty big Zeppelin fan myself, owning all of their albums (and I've listened to Moby Dick many a time), as I do Rush. I will be more than happy to provide you with any citations you desire. And again, this is not "fun", it's supposed to be constructive, so lets just agree to disagree about how we feel about both drummers and address the issues civilly. Wisdom89 02:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Look Wisdom I respect you, alright? You and me have been arguing for what? two or three days so far and you STILL have reamined civil. I mean that is inspiring, really it is. But I have a few things to say: A. I highly recommend you listen to the LIVE version of Moby Dick, preferably on the How The Wwest Was Won album. B. I'm only doing this because people are questioning if he is as influential as they say he he is. Alright? Now you and I both know this is absurd. C. So witht that being said, I'm added some s in PEART's article because they are doing the same thing, saying things that would make one's eyebrow raise without providing numerous sources. And even stuff that would NOT make their eyebrow raise, like his inlfluences; I'll STILl add some Facts on that JUST to get revenge. Pie76 03:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the sources on Peart, I'll just turn around and use these for Bonham's article.
Thank you for the sources on Peart, I'll just turn around and use these for Bonham's article. However, if somebody STILL takes away those sources on bonham's aticle I'm afraid I have to do the samef or Pearts. Pie76 03:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC) I find it sad that people would spoil the enjoyment of both Neil Peart and John Bonham with arguments and sabotage to wikipedia articles about both. There are many arguments about the merits of both. I would like to feel it is a tribute to both drummers that passions would run so high. I, myself am a die hard Bonham fan but I recognize the genius of Peart and acknowledge his skill and depth on the drums. But this really needs to stop. This is Wikipedia and there is room for both and their fans. Please don't feel that your opinion alone will sway others to feel one is better than the other. As a side note ..Der Trommelier (sp) is spectacular. And for the fans of both...Moby Dick is always cited as the definitive John Bonham performance..but if you will watch the Knebsworth performance..I think it showcases Bohnam's skills more than any other video ever will. Particularly Kashmir and In the Evening.

Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film For Theatres?
Is Neil really in this movie? 199.214.24.71 21:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC) Yes, he is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Biography
Started work on the bio. Probable sections: Any thoughts --KaptKos 16:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Kapt, IMHO the section titles are little too "creative". Also, non-Rush fans or people recently exposed to the band wouldn't necessarily understand the headings. I will not change them though, as it doesn't at all hurt the article. I like your breakdown though. When I have more time this week, I'll help you out with adding info. Wisdom89 18:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A boy alone - from going to London to joining Rush
 * He has assumed control - the rest of the 70s
 * New world man - the 80s
 * Counterparts - the 90s up to Family Tragedy
 * Ghostrider returns - post tragedy to present
 * Wis, I agree, if fact I would say they are "crap" rather than "creative", these were just initial, discriptive titles to help me concentrate on the period of each section and probably shouldn't have made it into the article. The simpler the better, "Early Life", "Joining Rush" are fine the rest would best be changed. I ground to a halt at the end of the 70s, anything I came up with was about the band and not specifically Peart except that he took up cycling which I don't think is enough to cover the next 15 years. I'll have a go at the lyric section which I think could do with a rewrite--KaptKos 10:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Any updates on biography? This area seems a little thin and is missing nearly 20 years (post-Hemispheres to 1997 tragedy).  In relation to his songwriting and activity with Rush it seems very relevant. Sbrawner 14:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

edit incorrectly reverted, now fixed properly I hope
Wisdom89 reverted my change of "an a personal writing style"->"a personal writing style" when s/he presumably meant to change it to "an apersonal writing style" (apersonal being synonymous with or at least similar to impersonal). So I went back and changed it again, this time to something I'm sure we'd agree upon. TimProof 08:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation
Is [put] the proper pronunciation? That doesn't seem right. -- Mikeblas 18:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * no, the pronunciation, both correct and on the article is [pɪɹt], not [put]. it's IPA pronunciation. To put it simply, think of it as [peert]. - Evan S e eds (talk) 03:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahah, thanks. When I edit the article, I can see the difference. Is there a way to have WikiPedia use a font that clearly shows the difference between ɪɹ and u when viewing the article? --Mikeblas 04:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For me, the difference is clear. If you are using the default skin, perhaps your resolution is too low to tell the difference, although i am set only at 1024x768. Otherwise, i don't know. - Evan S e eds (talk) 04:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have dual monitors, both at 1600 x 1200, using the monobook skin. -- Mikeblas 15:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The IPA pronounciation dictates that his last name is NOT pronounced "peert", yet the article says it is. Which one is it anyway? Necromancer 16:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the man himself in his recent VH1 Classic "Hangin' With" interview, the correct pronunciation is in fact "peert". I believe that should look like "pirt" in IPA, but I am not absolutely sure. If you know how it should look, please change it. Raygun 02:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Raygun. According to this IPA chart, I believe it should be "pirt". I have the same last name, and the vowels are pronounced more like the "y" in "city", not like the "i" in "sit". Chrispynz 12:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Based on this discussion, I changed it to . That's the sound I have in pier, which is close to an [i]. kwami 06:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Historically?
i removed this bit: "Peart is distinguished historically for playing "butt-end out"" he is not the first drummer to do this, i dont think he evens comes close, as i know Art Blakey did it years before Peart. FloydNIN 05:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Phil Collins
I removed Phil Collins as an influence as I have never seen him mentioned anywhere as an influence on Peart and I looked at a lot of stuff recently. If I'm wrong I didn't mean to offend --KaptKos 14:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC) He in fact said that he was influenced by the drumming in Brand-X. Phil Collins was the drummer in Brand-X. Also, all the members of Rush were influenced by early Genesis, in which of course Phil was the drummer. I can find no quote where Neil Peart "said" that he was influenced by the drumming in Brand X. Before citing Phil Collins as an influence as fact it really should be substantiated. http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/peartinfluencestozildjian.htm Soon there were other adventurous and accomplished rock drummers, like John Bonham, Michael Giles (the first drummer with King Crimson and a very important influence on me), Bill Bruford with Yes, his replacement Alan White, Phil Collins with Genesis, and certainly Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd, who must have influenced every drummer in those days.
 * I have a Zildjian cymbal book from 1981 (it shows the cymbal setups used by several drummers). There is quote in it from Peart stating that Phil Collins was one of his influences. If you listen to early Genesis records (early to mid '70s), it's clear that part of Peart's style from '76 through early '80s closely resembled Collins'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.176.141 (talk) 14:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

GA on hold

 * "players who were at the forefront of the British hard rock scene[1]." - put it after the full stop
 * "winning the Juno Award for most promising new act[12]," - again
 * "Peart has received many awards (see below)" - see below not necessary
 * "in his book Traveling Music (see below)." - again
 * "ranked as one of the greatest rock drummers of all time.[4][5][6][7][8]" - better not to source this here than to have 5(!) and just source it later in the article when you discuss it in more depth
 * Is the last para of the lead necessary?
 * First para of Early life section needs wlinking for locations etc.
 * "and described his childhood as happy and says he experienced a warm family life." - fix tense
 * 2nd para of Early Life unsourced
 * No more sources for Early Life? Actually, no not really, just his own words in an interview
 * Career prior to joining Rush section also needs more sourcing
 * "Receiving an advance from their record company the band purchased new equipment. - needs ref - removed claim
 * "B side spanning epic "The Fountain of Lamneth," Peart responded by penning the A side spanning epic "2112"" - the repetition doesn't sound good here.
 * "a venue Peart had dreamed of playing in his days on the Southern Ontario bar circuit and where he was now introduced as "The Professor on the drum kit." - need refs. Same with next paragraph
 * Image in Family tragedy & continuing on section needs caption.
 * "and Gene Krupa.[20] [21]" - space not needed between refs.
 * "Peart: "When I was starting out, " - introduce the quote better. What's he talking about, and when?
 * 2nd and 3rd paras of Style and influences need refs
 * "his rotating drum riser." -remove EL. You can wlink to the page instead
 * "For a detailed listing of Peart's equipment, see the section on Peart's "Gear", below." - not necessary, TOC at top suffices
 * "Each successive tour sees the solo more advanced, with some routines dropped in favor of newer, more complex ones." - says who? Refs - Couldn't find a reference to substantiate these, removed the entire sentence
 * ""There was a remarkable backlash, especially from the English press, this being the late seventies, when collectivism was still in style, especially among journalists," Peart said. "They were calling us 'Junior fascists' and 'Hitler lovers.' It was a total shock to me."" - needs citing. You can cite liner notes
 * 4th para of lyrics needs sourcing
 * You don't need to cite the books themselves. Instead, cite some RS talking about the books (in the descriptions of them).
 * All of the YouTube videos are copyvios
 * Some of the ELs should be removed and used as refs. info contained in external links more or less present in article

Leave a note on my talk page when done. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll get to work on the above changes - thanks for taking the time to peruse the article.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 09:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Per your comment on my talk page, I've taken a quick look. Nothing seems to be out of order; everything seems OK so far. Keep it up! dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 07:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 22:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
Let's get some discussion going here on the talk page - since the article is currently being reviewed for GA status, it would be prudent to make sure that if we add new information that is likely to be challenged (e.g claims and opinions regarding peart's lyrics) it is already sourced. Thank you!  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Addition to Lyrics
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this paragraph should be included in the article:


 * In the Hemispheres album, the song "The Trees" is considered by many to be a classic example of Peart's talent in writing lyrics, believed to focus on the inequality of the labor force, racism and even communism. It is unlikely, however, that he wrote these lyrics in defense of racism, for it is inconsistent with previous writings, such as "Freewill". Peart himself has remarked that the inspiration for penning the song came from chancing upon a humorous comic strip which depicted trees arguing like people. Many fans, however still take this song to be a strong political statement."

76.108.224.197 (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, only add it if YOU HAVE a (or several) good, reliable, sources. Try to find direct quotes from Peart himself. Don't be POV, rely on Peart for your addition. No speculation, supposition here please. What is "considered by many" probably should not be in the article, it would become unruly. This is an encyclopedia, so "Jack Webb it": Just the FACTS ma'am.


 * I always thought the song was inspired from the CLASS conflict of historical England (the Lords versus the peasants) Serfdom, from the sixth to the twelfth centuries, or secondarily from time of Cromwell and James the I, the English Civil War, and had nothing to do with race, or the 20th Century. It had to do more with economics of the haves and have-knot's of 17th Century England, something Peart would have studied a lot about in the 1960s school system of Canada and his early travels to London as a young teen, then applied this historical thought analysis to what was happening in the 60s & 70s. So, there could be two different things here: 1) where the inspiration ACTUALLY came from (which could be in the article) and 2) the application of it to numerous (literally thousands) David-versus-Goliath scenarios around the world, throughout history (which probably should NOT be in the article). Depending on ones education and background they could take this song an apply it to many different historical events in time. Since RUSH had previously done "Bastille Day" this song could just be an analysis (using that comic strip inspiration) to the French Revolution. It could be applied to any colonial revolution (American, India, etc). So, tread lightly and don't hog off all the light. WikiDon (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: Album titles are italicized and not put in "quotes".


 * PPS: If you put a paragraph about every song that Peart has written, it would be its own article, and become huge. This article should just include his philosophy of writing lyrics, his broad themes that apply to many songs, not to much of analyzing individual songs. Individual song analysis should be done in those, individual song articles (or maybe album articles). This article should just have what his influences where, parents, childhood, education, travels, etc. WikiDon (talk) 22:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) I do have a source listed there describing how Peart depicted trees arguing as people because he saw it in a comic strip. 2) I'm not writing a paragraph about every song just this one. Honestly when I was introduced to Rush and I asked about lyrics the first song I was shown was this one because it's one of (if not the) most famous songs by rush in terms of lyrics because of the statement. 3) If you think I should shorten the paragraph then tell me what to remove (specifically) and I'll do it. I just think it's worth mentioning that the trees is considered a big lyrical work on his part. If you want I'll even shorten it to a sentence (In the Hemispheres album, the song "The Trees" is considered by many to be a classic example of Peart's talent in writing lyrics, believed to focus on the inequality of the labor force, racism and even communism.) but I think it's incomplete without a bit more elaboration. 4) I don't know. What do you guys think? 72.28.140.169 (talk) 18:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Your reference only says that he saw a cartoon and got the idea about trees talking to trees, it does NOT say that he got the idea of what to talk about. You need a reference for: "...inequality of the labor force, racism and even communism." Your paragraph as written is not acceptable. WikiDon (talk) 20:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright but there is no reference for that it's just the truth; it's what people assume the song means. There's no website for that it's just the truth. It's just reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.140.169 (talk) 03:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Correct, but then we have a verifiability problem. I wish it wasn't so, but that's the rule of the game.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 03:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever if you guys dont want to put it up on the article i dont really care 72.28.140.169 (talk) 19:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
Just given this section a going over. Its basically cronological and goes up to MP so its really a reordering of what was already there and I retained the quote. I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about it, cronologically I mean, I think there is too much "This song means this and this song means that", where a more themematic approach might be classier but I haven't got my head around how to start that so this'll have to do for now, anyway add, change, revert if you must --KaptKos 15:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC) Stuck the 2 2112/Rand paragraphs together since its all related. V. interesting NME quote, anyone know where the previous quote comes from which contradicts this--KaptKos 14:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone else ever read "Mystic Rhythms: The Philosophical Vision of Rush"? (http://www.amazon.com/Mystic-Rhythms-Philosophical-Vision-Rush/dp/1587151022) If you guys think it's useful stuff, in a few weeks I'll read through it and give the author's take on some songs. - The Fwanksta (talk) 02:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

"No one's disciple" quote
I'm not sure how to do it, but could we get a quote format here or something? When I was reading it I got a little confused whent he text became separated. In short, I think there needs to be more there to introduce or explain that it's a quote. Ideas? - The Fwanksta (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Got rid of the solo section.
Not one single thing is sourced in his solos. Source your text and maybe this text will stay. By the way there are many other drummers who, if what you guys say are true..Does what he does, although people don't feel the neeed to put it in. Seriously guys he is not this god you guys make him out to be, John Bonham is equally as good as this Canadian. By the way, the article sounded soo fanboyisy that it made me sick. Pie76 07:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Sockpuppet, not to use this talk page as a discussion forum, but Bonham maybe one of the most over rated drummers in the history of Rock - His songs and solos are simple. Influential, yes, respected, yes, groovy, yes. Technical, complicated, polyrthymic, versatile? No. Sorry. Now kindly stop pushing your POV on everything that is related to Rush. If you don't like the band, that's fine. I know plenty of people who do..and plenty who don't. Don't remove entire sections. IMPROVE THE ARTICLE. Why not try and locate sources yourself instead of antagonizing the editors. Wisdom89 19:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

HAHA buddy are you kidding me? Listen to the live version of Moby Dick and come back to me dude. Sure Bonham has his new modern drum kit that can make more complex sounds, but if you compare Bonham's work in the 70s and Peart's work in the 70s then Peart does not hold a candle to Bonham. Look buddy give it up, Zeppelin rapes the **** out of Rush anyday of the week when it comes to their music, and the majority of the people will agree with me. But either way it sounds extremely biased "Peart is known for complicated, extremely technical drum solos containing odd time signatures, complex arrangements (sometimes total separation between upper and lower limb patterns), and exotic percussion instruments." Now do I need to explain how that sounds like a magazine? Sorry buddy but either change the wording, leave it out, or we can put a NPOV tag on the main article; your choice. Pie76 19:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Explain why "Peart is known for complicated, extremely technical drum solos containing odd time signatures, complex arrangements (sometimes total separation between upper and lower limb patterns), and exotic percussion instruments." sounds biased. It would be biased if it said "Peart is the best known drummer in the world" but it doesn't. So leave that part in until someone comes up with something better to replace it. Angel Of Sadness  T / C  20:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If all that is required is sources, that's no problem. There are plenty of references circulating on the web from reliable magazines/reviewers that could verify all of those claims. Hell, all you need to do is watch the drummer play live for the "separation of limbs technique". Geez - This Zeppelin-Rush stuff is becoming tiresome. Just let it go already. Regardless,I sincerely doubt Mr. Pie76 has even bothered to watch a single video of Peart playing a drum solo. Not that it really matters, but still - Instead of arguing...why not..as I said before...locate sources yourself like a good editor should. Wisdom89 23:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Pie76: C'mon, to use the word rape in a threatening manner and then asterisk-out the word shit is kind of funny. To me, using rape in that manner is much more offensive. To say Bonham is better than Peart is silly. Both drummers are enjoyable to listen to. Rush's music didn't have all the "evil/occult" imagery to it like Zeppelin did, so maybe that's what leads people to think Zep is better. Kinda dumb if you ask me. Both bands had awesome guitarists, bassists, and drummers, although I would say Geddy wins the "technical proficiency" award for singing and playing complicated parts simultaniously. And yes, he has been voted "Best Rock Bassist" in Bass Player Magazine many more times than John Paul Jones. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 20:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Portrait request
I think we need a head / portrait shot of Neil Peart. I think this will help make the article's introduction look better. - Spokenwordsegment (talk) 17:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I definitely agree, but I don't know where to find one we can use... - The Fwanksta (talk) 05:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing WP:FU. Someone needs to take a better photo in concert and upload it. That's really the only way you're going to get one as Peart generally does not appear in meet and greets or take photographs with fans.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 07:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

was neil peart ever a gay
in the counterparts album page you mention that "The song "Nobody's Hero" (about a gay friend of drummer Neil Peart, named Ellis from his London days,"

but otherwise he is married now and was married before

was he an ex-gay or this is just a rumor

citation needed

thank u —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.132.61 (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he was never gay.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 22:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Accolades
Shouldn't the grammy nominations that Rush has received be listed under Neil's accolades? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlienShore (talk • contribs) 04:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

ATHF Film
Information about his role in the Aqua Teen Hunger Force film should be added. --Sgctc (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * why exactly? I see it as non-notable. It's essentially trivia  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

It's notable. It's the only film he has been in. --Therabbot (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Neil has a notable role in the film. Therabbot (talk) 16:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Why is it notable? What kind of cultural impact does it have? In the context of the entire article how exactly does it improve a reader's understanding of Neil Peart? What section is appropriate for such one liner information? These are the relevant questions and why I will continue to argue against its inclusion.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Neil was in sveral scenes in the film, and Peart's article should have at least a line about it. You say it's nor notable, but famous band members don't appear on Aqua Teen Hunger Force everyday. Therabbot (talk) 23:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Currently touring
The article states "Peart and the rest of the band are currently touring North America on the Time Machine Tour, which is schedule to finish October 17, in Santiago, Chile." Obviously, this must be modified. Any use of the term "currently" must be made carefully. (It may be OK to say that the Liberty Bell is currently on display in Philadelphia, but that a musician is currently on tour could be dangerous.) Also, we need a year to go with "October 17."PurpleChez (talk) 18:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Added the year that was needed, but I don't quite see the ambiguity associated with "currently". It simply means, quite obviously, that the band is on tour.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 21:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Blender's List
Blender magazine put Neil at #2 on a "Worst Rock Lyricist List" and this has been referenced on this page. I recently added a few sentences to reiterate the fact that most people (Fans and other Critics) disagree, making this a minority opinion. It was deleted for bad sourcing, but is Blender any more notable than that source? I had never even heard of Blender before this, and I doubt that many of you had. I have even heard rumors that the article was only written to "stir the pot" and get people to Blender's site. I cannot confirm that, but by putting such stars as Paul McCartney, Sting, and Robert Plant on their list, it seems that it is certainly possible. That or this small magazine's editor has extremely uncommon taste. Rynosaur (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I am in agreement with Rynosaur, the Blender magazine reference seems out of place with Wikipedia's standards of content. It appears to be a side publication to a 'mens'/soft core nudity magazine Maxim. The lists seem only there to spark controversy, and can not be regarded as an acceptable standard of journalism on music to be quoted by Wikipedia (eg. Rolling Stone, N.M.E, etc.).

It would be better to remove this reference, or find other more reliable sources of negative criticism of Peart's lyrics. oojamiel (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2013(GMT)

As example of 21st-century travel literature
Editors of the Neil Peart page may wish to link to Travel_literature, perhaps as part of a "See also" section, as Neil's been added to the list there.—Biosketch (talk) 16:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Buddy Rich Big Band concert
, regarding the change 76.225 is trying to incorporate into the article, he has a point that (a) Neil's blog is an adequate source for an account of his feelings during the performance, and (b) the addition helps explain why Neil felt his performance left much to be desired, as it says immediately after.

Also, while we're at it, please see a couple of comments I left at Talk:Moving Pictures (album) recently. I support your argument for taking that fifth paragraph out of the lead.—Biosketch (talk) 07:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Misc.
Noticed that link to video of "The Rhythm Method Drum solo" is broken as of 11/3/05. Lets see if it magically re-appears. Millifoo 04:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neil_Peart&diff=41317024&oldid=41109882 While I, being a patriotic Singaporean, enjoy this little joke, it is my Wikipedic duty to revert this that I can only consider vandalism. P 17:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC) For the sake of completeness in the "equipment" section, I could have sworn there is a video of Peart recording a popular Rush song that includes drumming on several different sizes of Tupperware(tm) containers. I believe it was in the TV documentary done a few years ago on Rush. The song may have been "Tom Sawyer" or another released around the same time. 70.68.70.186 08:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC) Just noticed that the Ludwig-Musser article states that Peart playes Ludwig drums from 1985-1994 and the Gear section of the Peart article says Ludwig Drums (1987-94). Yes - in fact Modern Drummer May 1987 had an article following a contest for which solos were submitted to Peart for three of his earlier drum kits. In that article he states that he went through several drum vendors before settling on the cream-white Ludwig Super Classic kit that he plays during those years. REF: http://www.andrewolson.com/Neil_Peart/neil_peart_quest_for_new_drums.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.77.1.84 (talk) 23:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Simmons advertisement
Does anyone else think the photo of the Simmons electronic drum kit is irrelevant to the article, and basically constitutes an ad for Simmons electronic drum kits, and was probably added by a Simmons salesman, and thus has no place in this supposedly NPOV, encyclopedic article? And that it should be removed? Or at least, stripped of any reference to the manufacturer? Cheers, DoctorJoeE (talk) 15:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure its exactly a commercial, but I agree that it is pretty irrelevant considering the hundreds of percussion equipment he uses. Its doubly so when directly across from it on the page is a picture of his tour set. Ckruschke (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke
 * I could go either way on this. The promotional concern is certainly valid. But since the Simmons logo doesn't actually appear in the image, how about if we just remove the word "Simmons" from the caption so it says, "Neil Peart began incorporating Simmons electronic drums beginning with 1984's Grace Under Pressure"? That way we can preserve the image as an illustration of the passage in the text about Peart using electronic drums. By the way, in the text "electronic drums" is with lowercase letters, so there shouldn't be a problem lowercasing "electronic drums" in the caption as well.—Biosketch (talk) 20:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that's very reasonable. Lots of rock drummers added electronic stuff to their kits in the early 80s; the fact that Peart did too isn't particularly earthshaking, or a particularly good reason to take special note of it -- but if you want to keep the photo in there, removing the manufacturer's name from the caption would remove any inference of COI. DoctorJoeE (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I second DoctorJoeE. If we were to keep the picture, and I don't think we have to, the change you have suggested works great! Ckruschke (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke


 * I just noticed that the manufacturer's name was never removed from that caption, per this discussion (or if it was, somebody put it back) -- so I'm removing it now. DoctorJoeE (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Athiest/Agnostic/Anglican/Episcopican?
I've recently heard rumors that Neil is either a practicing Anglican/Episcopican or simply an athiest or agnostic. Are any of these rumors true? - Spokenwordsegment (talk) 22:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

He is actually Agnostic to answer your question.

Lostinsidemyworld (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Since Peart is agnostic, stop deleting Category:Canadian agnostics from this article!!!


 * Agreed, even 5 years later it was removed and his quote from the '96 memoir is nowhere to be found even though the last album dealt with religion and referenced Dawkins 97.85.168.22 (talk) 10:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Genres
Why have "Jazz", "Big Band", and "Swing" been added to Neil Peart's genres? Simply because he was associated with the Buddy Rich album/concert? I'm not sure that a one-time deal validates the additions so I've deleted them. Please comment to justify returning these genres. Ckruschke (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
 * Peart's drum solos incorporate many styles of drumming, including rock, swing, jazz, big band, African, ect. I agree it would be overkill to add all of these, but I'd like to see "jazz" put back. I feel the "Burning for Buddy" project merits its inclusion, even if it was a one-off. Roger Waters has only released one opera, but it's still listed under his genres. What do others think? Joefromrandb (talk) 22:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Should we add the categories for each style to his page? 97.85.168.22 (talk) 10:59, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Neil's BDay
It takes about 30 seconds to look this stuff up. Why people would rather get in a revert war than to do even the smallest amount of research is beyond me, but this seems to be the MOO for certain editors of these pages.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/rush-neil-20120912

LedRush (talk) 04:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Considering the disruption you caused at Geddy Lee several months ago, your candor concerning your MO is refreshing. Still, if you simply cite sources when making changes to BLP's, you won't have to worry about "revert wars". Joefromrandb (talk) 10:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You're the one that causes all these problems. You'd rather revert war wrong information that already has articles with the correct information in the article rather than do a quick search.  You have proven time and time again that you'd rather fight with everyone, being as uncivil as possible, rather than put any time to following WP policy and getting to the right outcome.  It's time for you to admit you were wrong and stop your edit warring.LedRush (talk) 14:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes. I'm wrong, the Moon is made of green cheese, unicorns are real, ect., ect., ect. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * So when is Peart's birthday? Why did you revert on Geddy and Alex when the articles cited had the right birthday and you fought to protect the unsourced, incorrect year?LedRush (talk) 13:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"Greatest Drummer?"
To the best of my knowledge (and I've been reading Rolling Stone since its inception), Rolling Stone never did a list of the Top 100 drummers. Someone fabricated a list and tried to pass it off as coming from the magazine. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but it's not anywhere on their Web site, and the only references to it come from message boards. So I would recommend that you cease perpetuating this myth and remove that sentence from your article.DoctorJoeE (talk) 15:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You're not wrong. I've made the same points elsewhere on wikipedia and on other websites.  Until it can be reliably cited, it doesn't belong in a serious encyclopedia.  24.187.214.210 (talk) 16:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Would this be the poll that was being cited? The list there is generally repeated ad nauseum on long-weekend top-[insert number related to station frequency here] countdowns. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  18:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No, the list in question was 100 drummers, supposedly compiled by RS staffers; it did not exist then, and does not exist now; somebody fabricated it, and tried to give it legitimacy by claiming it came from RS. And it can still be found on message boards and blogs, still erroneously attributed to RS.  The one you've linked is a legitimate RS reader poll of 15 from last year -- and Peart is #2 (behind the late great LZ drummer John Bonham).  I hasten to add that I was not trying to deny the ineluctable fact that Peart is a great drummer, certainly one of the best ever; my problem was with a supposedly encyclopedic article quoting a "top drummers" list that RS never published -- and citing a message board as a "reliable" reference.  Thankfully other editors agreed, and took it out of the article; that kind of fan slobber has no place in an encyclopedia.


 * No, Peart is #3 behind the late great Who drummer Keith Moon (#2) and the late great LZ drummer John Bonham (#1) on that particular RS reader poll. 206.16.201.81 (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * For the record, Stylus Magazine did do a best drummer list -- Bonzo is first on that one too (Peart is #22). Cheers, DoctorJoeE (talk) 13:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

"Genus" of Ayn Rand
I noticed this apparent error and was about to correct it as a minor edit when I saw the commented note in the article,, added by. I don't have a copy of the album that I can refer to directly to confirm this, but based on the internet I believe it. The source given alongside the quote uses "genius", and I cannot find any source at all to confirm this is the intended meaning of "genus of Ayn Rand" other than Wikipedia mirrors and fan blogs. Furthermore, "genus of Ayn Rand" makes no sense. Genus is not a word used to refer to an artist's body of work, I think you're thinking of genre. It seems like a nonsense conspiracy argument trying to downplay Peart's appreciation of Rand inherent in his work of the time, or somewhat more likely a typo. In fact there are several sources suggesting it is a typo, but none of those are reliable either. Personally, I think it's pretty obviously a typo.

Clearly, Peart was influenced by Rand's work; this is well known and reliably documented. The quote should either use sic, or simply be reworded to something like "the latter specifically credited Ayn Rand" without the actual quote. Ivanvector (talk) 20:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is "genus". I was paraphrasing with "body of work". It literally means "sort or kind". "After the 'kind'of Rand". Joefromrandb (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Along with the lyrics, the liner notes to the album include a short story for the song "2112" that closely parallels Rand's Anthem. The credit says: "lyrics by Peart with acknowledgement to the genus of Ayn Rand". "Genus" is quite clear here; "genius" makes little, if any, sense. Joefromrandb (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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Neil Peart Citizenship: Cited article states "U.S.", not "American"
This is my first post to a "talk" page, so I hope I get this right. Current Wikipedia article states *incorrectly* "In the mid-2010s, Peart acquired 'American' citizenship.[28]" Citation [28] #cite_note-rs-28 refers to Rolling Stone article "Hiatt, Brian (June 16, 2015). 'From Rush with Love'." which states "Peart just became a U.S. citizen..." Note the distinction: Peart is a "U.S." citizen, NOT an "American" citizen. The two are NOT the same thing - "America" is a *continent*, NOT a *country*. This unwarranted and unjustifiable change to the language of the cited source must be corrected. The Wikipedia article on Neil Peart should state "In the mid-2010s, Peart acquired U.S. citizenship." thus using the same term as the Rolling Stone article to which it refers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstaudacher (talk • contribs) 23:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Passing
I believe the correct date is January 7, 2020. Jmsebold (talk) 23:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Books section content missing refs
No ref for this, couldn't find, needed it out of the article "His growth as an author predates the published work by several years (not including his work as Rush's primary lyricist), through private letters and short travelogues sent out to a small circle of friends and family." --LaserLegs (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Equipment section missing refs
I removed this from the article since it's mostly unnecessary and hard to ref

They have the thickness of a standard 5A (0.551", 1.4 cm) but are longer (16.25", 41.3 cm) with a thicker taper and larger olive shaped wooden tip. When Rush held their Time Machine Tour, Pro-Mark released three limited edition sticks, each with one of the three designs selected from Peart's "Steam Punk" tour kit printed with copper ink. Some other artists who use the Neil Peart Signature series include Ben Johnston of Biffy Clyro, Richie Hayward of Little Feat and Paul Garred of the Kooks.

--LaserLegs (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Also removed this, seems more pertinent but I couldn't find a concert review or anything to back it. Some people want refs for water being wet and I wanna see this posted to ITN. "Peart's drum solos also feature sections performed primarily on the electronic portion of his kit." --LaserLegs (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2020
In Side Projects, add that Neil Peart was also in the 2009 movie "I Love You Man" with Paul Rudd. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1155056/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast 174.108.44.18 (talk) 23:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I have implemented the suggestion, although we normally ask you to draft the edit yourself. I used a different source from the IMDb suggestion, as IMDb is not considered a reliable source. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Page views
here  1,050,748 so far as of this writing, and we are still on the main page. Quite impressive. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 16:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * My little contribution to a really great article. Page views here  Quite impressive.  1,229,211  in 5 days.
 * Too bad Neil had to die to get this coverage; but he got props for being a virtuoso in his lifetime. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:39, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

About a disputed line
Since I seem to have unintentionally started a minor edit war. The segment of the article in the "Equipment" section reading:

His 360 degree drum kit was bewildering and relentless.

Two opinions: it's unencyclopedic language and being presented as fact, or it was a sourced statement that should not have been in the article. Should the line be in the article or not? -- a la d insane (Channel 2)  01:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I changed the line. You win. In the grand scheme of this article, it is not worth the powder it would take to blow it away.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Somebody else didn't like this iteration either"His 360 degree drum kit was a source of wonder and pictures are widely circulated on the internet. 'Trying to make sense of its maze of components is nearly impossible for anyone not intimately acquainted with drum gear, yet the kit nonetheless communicates, in a glorious and unambiguous way, Peart’s vigor. It must have felt so excellent, ensconcing himself in that golden tower, an ever-expanding assemblage of surfaces to whack! Until his death, Peart was considered by many to be the greatest living rock drummer ...'" Of course, you all are ignoring what the writer (''The New Yorker's music critic) had to say.
 * Forget what I wrote. Losing the quote was throwing out the baby with the bath water.  Oh well!  7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:43, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Correct birth name
Dear editors,

Please note that the birth name of the late gentleman in question is "Cornelius Ellwood Peart" and not "Neil Ellwood Peart", "Neil" merely being a common short form of his actual given name. Please review and correct as appropriate. Thanks very much.

Anton E. 51 Lat, 114 Lon Western Hemisphere Sol III Solar Federation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.0.197.247 (talk) 05:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * What reliable source are you getting this information? -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 05:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2020
Bereaved not lamented. Lamented has a neg connotation.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lament

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bereaved

IMHO.

TY R66ster (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌. Requested change is ungrammatical.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Political views
"In October 1993, shortly before that year's Canadian federal election, Peart appeared with then-Liberal Party leader Jean Chrétien in an interview broadcast in Canada on MuchMusic. In that interview, Peart stated he was an undecided voter who supported Quebec federalism."

While I don't dispute the factuality of what was said, I would omit the last sentence. One can safely assume that in the run-up to the 1995 Quebec referendum, 99.9% of all English Ontarians were opposed to Quebec independence. In that sense, the sentence doesn't add any information to the article. It's sufficient to state that Peart appeared in the broadcast with Chrétien, which can be viewed as support for that politician.--2A02:8071:2195:9600:C8BD:476E:CD89:EB6D (talk) 07:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect age or date of birth.
Either his age at death or date of birth are wrong as, the numbers don't add up. Likely he was 10 years older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:4400:736:28AB:CF48:B8C6:913C (talk) 12:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)