Talk:Neil Robertson

Please stop making this mistake.
Robertson is NOT the first Australian to win the title. Horace Lindrum won it in 1952. Robertson is the first Australian to win it at the Crucible. Xowets (talk) 00:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "Due to a disagreement with the Billiards Association and Control Council, Lindrum and McConachy were the only players to compete, with most professional players playing in the World Matchplay championship instead. As a result, Lindrum's title win is often ignored, with Cliff Thorburn (Can), Ken Doherty (Ire) and Neil Robertson (Aus) usually regarded as the only non-British World Champions." (from List of world snooker champions). This fact is well-sourced. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  00:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Or you could keep it in and add/change the wording to. 1st offical Aussie world Champ, after Lindrum's unoffical win in 1952. Keeps everyone happy and the reader more informed. But i would like to see a source for the unoffical claim KnowIG 00:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

What you referenced there doesn't even prove your point. 'Often ignored' and 'not officially recognised' are not the same thing at all. Therefore, whether you like it or not, Horace Lindrum IS the official World Professional Snooker Champion for 1952. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.128.84 (talk) 00:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I've appended "in the modern era". While Horace Lindrum's win is often discounted it is factually incorrect to state Robertson is the first Australian ever to win it. Similarly with Hendry, he is often regarded as holding the record for championship wins but in actual fact Joe davis, but most snooker commentators only tend to go by the records of the modern era these days. Betty Logan (talk) 00:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The reference says first Australian world champion, don't remove references, and sections without explanation. Armbrust Talk  Contribs  00:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't abide by Betty Logan's logic (about the commentators only mentioning the modern game) because all tournament they've been talking about how close Eddie Charlton was to winning it, and his chances came before the 'modern' era of the Embassy sponsorship and the Crucible.195.195.128.84 (talk) 00:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Two of Eddie Charton's finals came in the modern era. Betty Logan (talk) 00:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Ignore that, I wrote it thinking you were agreeing with Armbrust.195.195.128.84 (talk) 00:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

As an aside his mother in her listing as the secretary of his limited company lists her nationality as British. Might he have an Australian father and a British mother albeit he was obviously born in Australia, brought up there and identifies as Australian. 2A02:8084:255D:9380:400F:8F63:9355:4494 (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Overseas
This still seems to be confusing some people. When the BBC refer to "overseas" players, they mean outside of the UK. Ireland is split into two parts - Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK while the Republic is not, and the players from the Republic are classed as "overseas" players in the BBC terminology. In that sense Ken Doherty from the Republic is classed as an "overseas" while Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor are not, despite then having to cross the same sea to compete.

In the modern game since 1969 (when the knock-out format was introduced and all pros were eligible to enter) there have been three overseas winners i.e. three non-UK champions: Thorburn, Doherty and now Robertson. Since Snooker is considered a British and Irish game, sometimes when referring to international winners "international" usually refers to players outside of the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

When pundits and journalists refer to Robertson as the third overseas/foreigner/international player they mean non-UK, and if they refer to him as the second overseas/foreigner/international player they are obviously excluding Ireland from that category. It's important to be clear on this and perhaps avoid confusing terminology.

Resricting the context to the modern game avoids the Horace Lindrum issue. In regards to this, while the WPBSA generally ignores his win it is important to note that this is a point of view and the fact remains he did win it - much of the Australian press for instance are reporting that Robertson is the second Australian to win it. It is not our place to adopt a stance on this issue, but to clearly report the facts as they are: Lindrum won it, but due to a dispute between the players and the governing body an alternative tournament was established and Lindrum's win is often disregarded by other professionals. Betty Logan (talk) 16:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC) Whatever the Australian media may say, snooker players here in Australia are quite content with the "modern era" qualifier that excludes Horace Lindrum. Anyone who knows anything about the game here has a lot of respect for Lindrum as a player, but knows that his world title was almost embarrassingly trivial under the circumstances. 138.217.153.239 (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nicknames
While Armbrust has provided a citation to the use of "Melbourne Machine" and "Aussie Ace" [note it was "ace" in the citation], these are not nickname but merely ephermeral titles invented either by a journalist or by an online website looking business. "The Thunder from Down Under" is Robertason's widely known nickname and the only one for this article. bigpad (talk) 09:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Melbourne Machine is certainly a nickname - one of the previous MCs used to introduce him using it. I have a World Snooker reference so I will add that in.  Betty Logan (talk) 11:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I say the latest source for "Aussie Ace" doesn't cut it as well. It simply uses the phrase as a description not as a reference to their nickname. We might as well say Ronnie O'Sullivan's nickname is "Controversial Snooker Player". Not to mention the possible unreliable source as a bookmaker. Christopher Connor (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are many sources for this nickname: World Snooker, Daily Record, This Is Bristol, The Star, Highland News, Entrepreneur (magazine) and Daily Record (again). Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  12:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Aussie ace" is the same as saying "Southampton star" or "Belfast battler!" It is *not a nickname - the "a" in "ace" is lowercase, for a start, in all the articles you cited. "Melbourne Machine" is ok, as it's a genuine citation, if only one World Snooker. Armbrust - please don't be re-inserting Aussie Ace. Nicknames is a big weakness in Wikipedia, unfortunately. bigpad (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  19:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Use of 'Year'
The article contains a number of contradictions in the use of "season" and "year". The "Performance and rankings timeline" table lists seasons while "Tournament finals" lists years. Why don't you replace 'year' with 'season' in the latter, to make the information clear? From the info. in the second table, it was perfectly understandablwe why I wrote Robertson had won a ranking event title every year since 2006 bigpad (talk) 09:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Protection and civility
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However, consider this fair warning; incivility will not be tolerated. Ged UK  11:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Consensus is already well in favor of keeping it as "UK & Ireland". That's what the original source said and that's how the article remained since May 6, 2010. The edit was introduced as "UK and Ireland", briefly changed to "British Isles", then to "Britain and Ireland" and finally back to "UK and Ireland". The recent change was made despite LemonMonday's telling another editor not to add or remove the term "British Isles" without prior agreement on a special page that had to be created because of disruption from multiple parties. That's add or remove; for their first ever edits to this article the term was added, and there was no prior agreement or attempt to discuss it there or on the talk page of this article. This has been a long-term problem especially for both LemonMonday and LevenBoy who have very few edits outside of this issue; it is extremely disruptive and stretches across scores of articles which are routinely protected after things like this. Anyone familiar with WP:BISE will tell you this. This article is merely the latest target. There is a 3RR thread just rotting away over there because everyone is sick to death of dealing with this. Jus' sayin'.  Doc   talk  12:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * We have 2 sources for BI, 1 for UK&I. And we have a bunch of people edit warring over which one to use, citing their own POV's, and the local consensus (derived by not so local editors arriving as part of the usual not so disinterested tag team, who have as much interest in this article as Lemon Monday ever did). As fucking useless as BISE was at handling this tedious bollocks, even it was pretty clear what happened in these cases, or at least the admins were. Anyway, BISE is irrelevant, the admins who took it under their wing eventually fucked off due to it being swamped under a tide of TE, game playing, fake 'civility' and faux offence, all of the sort you see above, and Lemon Monday has been sutably dispatched as a content opponent using the more traditional methods, so everyone can go on their way, suitably reassured that this article is now 'neutral'. Pfft. MickMacNee (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * An initial promoter of BISE, I concluded months ago, that it was a failure. In retrospect, I seen it as having morphed into a vehicle to promote either PoV. GoodDay (talk) 15:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request
Could you add this "| Century break = 159", to the infobox. Armbrust Talk to me  Contribs  11:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request 2
Can someone remove the statement that he is the current world champion? John Higgins won the 2011 championship. It would be pretty lame to leave such a glaring error in the intro for three more days because of the squabble above. Alex Middleton (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ged  UK  12:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request
The article mentions that he became a top 32 player in the 2004/5 season, he didn't it was the 2005/06 season that became a top 32 player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 (talk) 02:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Primary topic: page move?
I want to rename this page "Neil Robertson" over the existing disambiguation page which only has two entries, one of which is a little-known mathematician who is getting barely 10 views per day. The snooker player is clearly the primary topic, with well over 1,000 views per day. This suggestion was brought up on the dab talk page several months ago by KnightMove but I've only just come across it myself. So if no-one objects, I can go ahead and do it in the next day or two (unless anyone else beats me to it). Cheers. Rodney Baggins (talk) 16:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I've just realised that I won't be able to move the page myself because the target page already exists as the dab, so it's not straightforward. I've put in a page move request – please visit and contest if you disagree. Thanks. Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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Video game addition and its impact in his performance
He acknowledged that he was addicted to video games (to escape from the pressure) and that it seriously impacted his performance after his first World Championship: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/21/neil-robertson-says-video-game-addiction-damaged-snooker-career El Pantera (talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is already in the prose.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)