Talk:Neiman Marcus/Archives/2014

Cookie legend
Could someone add something about the Neiman Marcus cookies legend? --Spikey 21:36, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Cookie Legend is urban legend/myth. Recipe can be found for free on Neiman Marcus website. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.0.181.196 (talk • contribs) 6 January 2006

Last Call
Should we add the Last Call stores that NM runs for clearnce merchandise? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.204.251 (talk • contribs) 8 November 2005

Adding something about the Neiman Marcus Last Call stores sounds like a great idea, especially for such an empty article. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmace1 (talk • contribs) 2 May 2006

Updated
All of the changes suggested on this page have been done! --Vincentanton 23:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Article problems
"On 22 January 2002, Neiman Marcus and the fashion world alike mourned the death of Stanley Marcus, who had served as president and chairman of the board for the company."

Oh for god's sake! This article is too fanboyish. That's just the begininng, too.

"During the Apollo 8 mission in December 1968, Marilyn Lovell, wife of astronaut Jim Lovell, who was the Command Module Pilot, received, as a Christmas present, a mink coat that was delivered to her by a Neiman driver in a Rolls-Royce car. The coat was wrapped in shiny blue wrapping paper with two styrofoam balls--one for the Earth and the other for the Moon, and had a card that read, "To Marilyn, from the Man in the Moon.""

Source?

"Unlike many grand old department stores, Neiman Marcus is still in operation today and is still headquartered in Dallas."

Compared to the age of stores in other countries, I would say "grand." NPOV peeps! 13:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Alexzero77


 * Actually, I was surprised there wasn't an article just for Stanley Marcus. He was a major figure in Dallas history and in merchandising and wrote at least two books that were routinely required reading in local high-school economics classes. While I can see quibbling with the exact wording, it's quite verifiable that he was a major figure and his death, a big deal.
 * In the last hour or so, I've culled some 50 meaningful references and found that he was inducted into the Advertising Hall of Fame and eulogized in The Dallas Morning News by such fashion names as Geoffrey Beene (maybe not so big now, but big not that long ago). Marcus was a major figure in helping Dallas recover from the trauma of JFK's assassination and was a major collector of Mexican art -- Rivera, Siqueiros, etc. -- and of valuable books. He was called upon during World War II to help change fashion so as to conserve fabric for the war effort. (I knew about that one already.) He commissioned Frank Lloyd Wright to build him a house. He's recognized by sources such as the NY Times, Business Week, and Commentary as a major and internationally recognized expert in his field.
 * I'm not trying to get you to miss him or even give a hoot about him ... only to recognize that the line above is, if anything, understatement of his impact.Lawikitejana 10:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: Obviously, I'll be back to create an article on Marcus with the wealth of material I found, plus whatever I gather from They Came to Stay: The Story of the Jews in Dallas, 1870-1997 by Rose Biderman, an expert on Dallas history.Lawikitejana 10:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: I did a lot of work today to root out NPOV in the article and do cleanup work, so I've now removed both tags after repeated reviewing. I reworded the earlier author's bit about "grand old" to reference its contemporaries instead (thus getting rid of the issue of it being much younger than what other countries consider "old"), among other changes, and moved the criticism section a little higher in the article. I also integrated the trivia info into appropriate sections and paragraphs, and added attribution for the bits that I found to have come from N-M's own timeline as well as for other sources, where applicable. Incidentally, I finally got around to creating a Stanley Marcus article today, though there's a lot of info yet to be included. I made a point of working in a good deal of the info that goes to notability and citing my sources, so at least it should be off to a good start.Lawikitejana 00:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it high time we spun off the section listing stores?
I'd do it right now, except that I haven't created a list article/subarticle like that before, and I'm not sure of the procedure. I'll try later if no one gets to it in the meanwhile. The main article should still have mention of the most notable locations (largest, oldest, etc.), but there would be one of those wikilinks that says something like, "Main article: List of Neiman Marcus store locations." Lawikitejana 06:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: Did this one today and summarized store locations in a paragraph on the main article page.Lawikitejana 00:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The paragraph seemed too long. I further consolidated it to the states. For exact locations, users can go to the List of stores article.Clipper471 00:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The fact that it took me a long time to do doesn't mean it's a keeper. :) Lawikitejana 22:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
The reference to "Needless Markup" should be moved into a Trivia section, which this article lacks.--Gkklein 23:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There's an argument to be made (in fact, it often is made) that trivia sections are unencyclopedic and therefore best avoided wherever possible. The criticism section seems more appropriate and also serves as a logical place for this detail (and I say that as someone fond of the Marcus family story).Lawikitejana 03:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. In reviewing this Talk page, I was reminded that indeed there used to BE a trivia section and it had been removed after the items were integrated into the appropriate parts of the article.

Neiman Marcus Today
"Since 1987"

Neiman Marcus has in no way shown that they are possibly moving to accept VISA/Mastercard later in 2006. The holiday season (the most lucrative season) has arrived and no changes have been or appear to be coming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.15.121.33 (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC).


 * (1) Neiman Marcus does not accept Visa for any purchase; yes it does?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DDavis092 (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Reply - only NM.com accepts Visa/MC. The changes have not been made store wide. -Current NM Employee —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.15.121.33 (talk) 06:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Reply - I think it is worth mentioning that if you pay by check, they may post hard inquiry to your credit report. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wenxin96 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Minding the Store
Stanley Marcus' book, "Minding the Store," is full of information that could be added here.

The founders of the company moved to Atlanta from Texas when Al Neiman wanted to open a public relations business. That's why they went to Dallas to open a store.

Neiman-Marcus supplied the bridesmaids' dresses for Grace Kelly's wedding to Prince Ranier of Monaco.

The 1972 Christmas catalogue lists stores in Dallas, Fort Worth, Atlanta, and Boca Raton. Can someone confirm when the store in Bal Harbour opened?

The company was owned by the three founding partners for many years. Al and Carrie Neiman divorced, and Al left the company. Herbert Marcus gave four equal shares of stock to his four sons shortly before his death. How did it come to be owned by Carter Hawley Hale?

Blu Cantrell's song "Hit 'em Up Style (Oops)" specifically says that she reacted to her husband's infidelity by going to Neiman-Marcus. 70.152.178.130 14:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Bal Harbour opened in 1971. These two web sites will tell you about how NM became a nationwide chain and how it came to be The Neiman Marcus Group. http://www.neimanmarcuscareers.com/story/timeline.shtml, http://www.ragm.com/books/corp_gov/cases/cs_chh.html IceBRG (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any information about the company name of the factories and where they are located that make the clothes for Neiman Marcus?Mylittlezach (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * The rationale has been updated yet again (people had provided a rationale previously, but somehow this didn't keep the image from getting tagged). Hoping this newest completion of the rationale will satisfy the requirement more explicitly.Lawikitejana 08:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't match up: cookie recipe
As stated: "Although the story is untrue, Neiman Marcus nonetheless posted a cookie recipe on its web site to quell rumors." If that were the case, why isn't the recipe posted on Neiman's website consistent with the urban legend recipe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.62.132 (talk) 07:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess would be because the cookie recipe in the urban legend wasn't that good, and they didn't want to provide an inferior recipe. Just a theory.Lawikitejana (talk) 04:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Noah's Ark
In the section titled "1990 to present", the article makes mention of a "Noah's Ark" Christmas catalog entry. The problem is that none of the three references actually mention that there was a Noah's Ark with pairs of animals. In fact, I couldn't find all that many mentions of Noah's Ark at all, in relation to the Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog. The closest thing I found was this source, which mentions a Noah's Ark Christmas Catalog item, but is ambiguous about whether it comes populated with animals. It just says that it has space for 92 pairs of mammals and 31 pairs of reptiles. So, because of that, I put a on the fact. Quanticle (talk) 05:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

In popular culture section
None of these are references to Neiman Marcus that meet WP:GNG. These are all trivial and anecdotal jokes that aren't even plot elements of songs/movies/tv shows. Total WP:LISTCRUFT. 68.55.123.86 (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)