Talk:Nelly (Egyptian entertainer)

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Previous version reverted to: Nelly DIFF, Feyrouz DIFF

Editor Modern Sciences and me Seanwal111111 have reverted each other 19 times, each of us, during the last 10 days, in a simple repeated way, as can be seen at Nelly HISTORY and Feyrouz HISTORY.

Nelly (Egyptian entertainer) is a living person. Her notability is for musical comedies in the Arabic language. She has lived in Egypt all her life. The native language of both of her parents is Arabic. The religion of both of her parents is Armenian Christian. You wouldn't know from watching any of Nelly's musical comedies that she comes from an Armenian ethnic family background; and in other words her ethnicity and religion is not pertinent to what she is notable for. Editor Modern Sciences is an Armenian flagwaver whose only edit to the Nelly (Egyptian entertainer) article is to insert Armenian alphabet characters in the article's lead sentence, and delete the Arabic characters. Here is the lead sentence with his version in red color and my version in green color:


 * Nelly Artin Kalfayan (Armenian: Նելլի Արթին Կալաֆյան Arabic: نيللي آرتين كالفيان, born 3 January 1949 in Cairo, Egypt), better known by the mononym Nelly (نيللي), is an Egyptian actress, singer, comedian, dancer, television personality, and all-around entertainer. (DIFF here)

The Wikipedia guidelines at MOS:OPENPARAGRAPH say about the lead or opening paragraph of a biography: "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."

The Wikipedia guidelines at MOS:FORLANG say: "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence." The Wikipedia guidelines at MOS:LEADALT says (emphasis in original): "Relevant foreign-language names, such as in an article on a person who does not themselves write their name in English, are encouraged."

Nelly's name written in the Armenian alphabet is not relevant, and not compliant with the above guidelines. Nelly's name written in Arabic in relevant, and compliant.

Nelly has a notable sister, Feyrouz (actress), whose notability is for musical comedies in the Arabic language, like her sister. Myself and the editor Modern Sciences have revert each other 19 times in the last 10 days on these two articles in the same simple repeated way.

I'm primarily interested in the Nelly and Feyrouz articles, but this editor Modern Sciences has made unwarranted insertions of the Armenian alphabet into the lead sentence of numerous other biographies of persons who are not Armenians, persons who are merely of Armenian ancestry. Here for example is one that he did today, 18 Sep 2016: Zareh Moskofian: DIFF. From my point of view, what we have here is not just edit warring on Nelly and Feyrouz, but also inappropriate ethnic flagwaving in the lead sentence on some non-small number of biographies of persons of Armenian ancestry. Seanwal111111 (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * 1) You said "I'm primarily interested in the Nelly and Feyrouz articles" but it not it important your interesting for making decision by Administartors here wikipedia rules are rulings
 * 2) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring (Under Edit warring rule) must 4 times in 24 hours undo happened by other side that you can report here (you report wrong place)
 * 3) First time you undo my edition this
 * 4) Both or this sister are armenian descent and their name is Armenian too (their name is not Arabic)
 * 5) I leave this message for this user but he is no reponse to answer to my message
 * 6) Mehmet Oz, Mesut Özil, Nikolai Gogol, Karim Boudiaf, thousandas and thousands example
 * -- Modern Sciences (talk) 22:04, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Both pages protected at THEWRONGVERSION for a month. Discuss it on the articles' talk page(s). There are |discretionary sanctions in place for articles relating to Armenia, so don't return to edit warring. SarekOfVulcan (talk)  13:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

About the Third Opinion request: A request for a Third Opinion made in regard to this dispute has been removed (i.e. declined) because 3O, like all forms of moderated content dispute resolution here at en-Wikipedia requires thorough talk page discussion before seeking assistance. One posting here by each editor cannot be considered to be thorough. If the issue remains stalemated after thorough discussion, the request may be refiled. If either editor will not discuss, consider the suggestions made at WP:DISCFAIL. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 21:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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