Talk:Nelson Piquet Jr.

Germany 2008
Although he was undoubtedly lucky with the timing of the pitstop, should we also point out that he lapped as quickly as Massa (and faster than Alonso and several other front-runners) in the latter part of the race?--MartinUK (talk) 20:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Has anyone picked it out as being special? If not then no. It was probbly just a result of having clear track. Narson (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Junior
Nelson Angelo should't be called Nelson Junior as much as George W. Bush shouldn't be called George Bush Jr. The title of this article must be changed.


 * Take it up with the F1 English media, not us. Narson (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Should the English media be considered an authority? The Brazilian media always calls him Nelson Angelo, or rather "Nelsinho" (Little Nelson). Anyway, "Nelson Piquet Jr." (and maybe "Nelsinho Piquet") should be a redirection, not the main title of the article. Rsnetto74 (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia follows a "common names" policy, so that articles can be found under the name most common to readers. The Brazilian media may well call him Nelson Angelo, but I'll bet they do it in Portuguese. In the English media, and consequently among the English-speaking portions of the world, Nelson Piquet, Jr. is the most common. This is the English Wikipedia so we refer to that frame of reference. In the Portuguese Wikipedia you are free to choose the appropriate common name for that frame of reference; the two needn't be identical.  Pyrop e  19:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nationality
'''Piquet Junior does not only has the Brazilian nationality, also the Dutch. Not only by blood (his mother is Dutch) but also official: he has a Dutch passport.'''

I added "and Dutch" in the box below his picture.

(I'm not a native English speaker. Please correct me if I have made any mistakes.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.249.115.42 (talk) 05:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that can go in the article, if you have a reference to back it up. It does not go in the F1 infobox, which gives the nationality the driver races for. The FIA (F1's governing body) takes passport nationality, but does not allow drivers to compete under dual nationality - Piquet is racing under the Brazilian flag, so has presumably chosen it. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 06:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Were do I get the reference for that?(!) The Dutch commentator for the Dutch Formula 1 television programs always referring to Piquet junior as the only Dutchman in formula 1, or as the only driver with a Dutch passport. (He has a 100% Dutch mother.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.156.58 (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's your reference.


 * Translation:
 * Nelson Angelo (Nelsinho) Piquet was born in Germany as the son of Brazilian Nelson Piquet and of Dutch Sylvia Tamsma. Because of that, he has a Brazilian passport and a Dutch passport... DutchDevil (talk) 11:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Nelson's full name
I don't think Nelson's full name, as stated in this article, is correct. Portuguese names consist of the maternal family name, followed by the paternal family name. In Nelsinho's case, this would have to be 'Tamsma' followed by 'Sauto Maior', since the latter is his father's father's family name. Hence, the full name would presumably be 'Nelson Ângelo Tamsma Souto Maior'. Lustigson (talk) 10:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the same with Bruno Senna as well. His paternal surname is 'da Silva' and his maternal is 'Lalli'. However, his parents kept the 'Senna' part as well, presumably because it is famous. Could it be the same thing with Nelson? Readro (talk) 10:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, I hadn't thought of that. (Altough Bruno's mother's name is 'da Silva' and his father's 'Lalli'. So, should we include the above on this page? Lustigson (talk) 08:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it the wrong way round. Anyway, I'm not sure it's easily verifiable. If you can source it then that's great. Readro (talk) 08:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've come up with the correct name for Nelsinho. Since 'Jr.' was born in Germany, and not in Brazil, or Portugal for that matter, his name is simply that of his father: 'Piquet'. So his full name is 'Nelson Ângelo Piquet', and the Portuguese naming conventions don't apply. Lustigson (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is an interesting point to understand his background, I think. Geraldo Piquet, Nelsinho's brother and a Brazilian Fórmula Truck series driver, also has family name both "Piquet" and "Souto Maior" in his full name. I think they (Piquet family) leave both "Piqeut" and "Souto Maior" as their family name because both are also important for them. They leave their maternal Piquet due to its worldwide popularity and it is very similar with Bruno Senna's case (and such a case seems to be not unusual in Brazil). Then, "Souto Maior" might be an important name in the Brazilian political world. If his grandfather (Estácios Souto Maior) was not a minister of Brazil, perhaps the young driver had not to have an official meeting with the president of Brazil before his Formula One debut, for example. It might be a reason why Piquet family's "Souto Maior" was not removed like Senna family's "da Silva". Thus, I don't know the accurate reason but I think it's not unnatural if Nelsinho has two family names of Nelson Sr. in his full name. --Morio (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Renault crash controversy
Might be worth at least semi-protecting this article for a while as I imagine it is going to get quite a lot of controversial edits as this unfurls. d a n n o 01:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A page can only be semi-protected if vandalism is already happening, i.e., that there is a pressing need. I'm surprised it hasn't attracted more vandalism than it already has. Aptery  gial  01:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Why is this article so Formula 1 specific?
He hasn't raced F1 in years, he's a NASCAR driver now, yet there's barely any mention of that?
 * Because the Truck series is not really in the focus of everybody I guess. But as we talk about NASCAR, I have some stats: 15 races in all three national series have won by non-US drivers (Ross, Montoya, Fellows and Ambrose the other winners); 12 on road tracks. Only three on Ovals – two of these by Piquet. --TheK (talk) 22:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's largely because there are a lot of editors working on F1. It just takes an editor or two who know about NASCAR and the Truck Series to work on the article and get it up to date. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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