Talk:Neo (The Matrix)/Archive 1

Nuclear Winter?
Wait, what? I thought the clouds that blocked out the sun, thus cutting off the machine's original power source, was caused by a nanotech weapon used in Operation Dark Storm? It shows this in the Animatrix.

Instead this article states that humanity used nuclear weapons which caused a nuclear winter, cutting off the sunlight.

I'll make a minor edit, if anyone has a problem with it, they can revert it or change it further. --Opacic (talk) 02:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Page move ?
I figured I'd ask first, so I think that it would be better to move this page to Neo (Matrix character) to match the naming convention that most of The Matrix characters are under. Also, since Wikipedia convention says to use what name most people would recognize, I believe Neo works better than Thomas A. Andersen. Any objections? --Ricky81682 (talk) 09:00, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
 * -- Nope... I agree with you. -- Sourcecode 18:21, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed - did anybody even remember Neo's middle initial? Does anyone actually call him "Thomas Anderson" in convential conversation? Also this article needs work - grammatically, and content-wise. It doesn't seem quite NPOV and doesn't give a whole lot of information, particularly concerning the second and third films. - Chardish 04:01, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * An anonymous user just tried to do the move suggested above, but I reversed it because it was done via copy & paste, which is improper and disrespective of other editors (not to mention the GFDL). The destination title will have to be deleted for the move to work, but if the move is still desired I can do that too. -- Hadal 20:08, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see really see anyone disagreeing with the move, so I'd go ahead. --Ricky81682 (talk) 05:23, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request:

Thomas A. Anderson → Neo (Matrix character)
Per Naming conventions (common names), I think most people would recognize the character by his name in the 'real' world. Also, this would allow the name to match the style of the majority of the names found in Category:Matrix characters -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:35, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Without a doubt, the saddest move I've ever seen proposed here. Uh... support, I guess.  ADH (t&m) 06:46, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I would look for either "Neo" or "Mr. Anderson" (and the latter is already taken). &mdash;Mike 07:32, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support - I can't actually believe it's at that title. sjorford// 20:18, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Not that I am greatly interested in this particular subject, but technically wouldn't a Neo (The Matrix) or maybe more accurately Neo (Matrix series) format be better for this sort of thing?--Pharos 21:33, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't really know if they're proper, but FWIW, all the other Matrix chars that need disamb'd title use the proposed from, eg Oracle (Matrix character). Niteowlneils 22:32, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image
I would like to see a picture of Thomas Anderson. To avoid any confusion and to aid in the encyclopeadic relavance of this article. Smudger94 (talk) 21:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

"Thomas" - meaning
Being as how my name is Thomas I was surprised to read the entry here that Thomas means "two" as I have been brought up surrounded by the knowledge that it derives from the Aramaic te'oma meaning "twin". ThomasWinwood 04:34, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Rainbow and Sunset Changes
I've changed back the edit by User:Dejvid as of this date. At 1:58:39 in Matrix Revolutions we see the Oracle's face become illuminated with a sunrise after she and the Architect talk in the last moment of twilight. Rainbows do not illuminate, and while what the Oracle sees is colorful, a sunrise is not a rainbow. There are just a number of clouds in the sky, and it is also the first time we see the Matrix without the harsh green sheen. Let's leave it at "sunrise" as the evidence here is pretty clear. Spencerian 17:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I stand correctedDejvid 17:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism by Someone at 86.129.xxx.xxx
Wikipedia is not a place to playfully vandalize. If you like to make a parody of Wiki, download the open source code and have at it. I know such a site would be very, very amusing. But what you are doing here is just wrong, even if I did laugh for a moment at your silly cut-and-replace.

"Neo infers incorrectly that the Oracle has said that he is not the One."

I watched this film less than 24 hours ago. She actually says "you're not the One." It isn't an incorrect inference, he just incorrectly assumes that what she says is the truth. She has to tell him that otherwise he would never have actually become "the One". - She says he has to choose between his life and that of Morpheus, so he goes in. If she hadn't have said that, he would possibly not have tried to save Morpheus...


 * Nope


 * Oracle: But you already know what I'm going to tell you...
 * Neo: I'm not the one...
 * Oracle: Sorry kid, you got the gift - but it looks like you're waiting for something.
 * Neo: What?
 * Oracle: Your next life maybe, who knows?


 * She didn't tell him he wasn't the One, she was seeing if he "Knew Himself" - and at that point, he didn't. In his 'next life' (after his death at Smith's hands), he would. (195.92.168.167 11:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC))


 * I'd interpret "you got the gift" as an explicit statement that he *is* the One, or at least that he will be.--74.104.131.76 03:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Wrong;the oracle clearly replies in the negative to Neo's question, and shakes her head. Shaking your head is a acceptable form of 'no', and in addition, in later scenes this impression is further enforced. Everything in her talk, body language convey the idea that neo is NOT the one. I strongly feel the article is in error here, it should be recified. At any rate, the article contains an OPINION. Infact the whole article is in question and should be cleaned up. Thomas A Anderson...in the matrix...becomes Neo. They dont coexist. Even though Smith still calls him Anderson.

-Superkala

I don't know what you're talking about, What the Oracle said is not her telling Neo he's not the One, that's not the case at all. In fact the implication is Neo is not the One yet, and could be in 'his next life'. When Neo went to recsue Morpheus because he believed the wasn't the One, Morpheus said to Neo, "Do you believe it now?' While Neo pointed she told him he's not the One, Morpheus dismissed it as "something he needed to hear, nothing more." The 'next life" could mean the metapjhorical killing of Thamas Anderson in the hands of Agent Smith, and the rebirth as Neo, The One. In sense, the Oracle told Neo that Thomas Anderson isn't the One, but Neo was. And your statement about Thomas Anderson being Neo only in the Matrix is also incorecct. Thomas Anderson metaphorically died when he was shot by Smith, giving rise to Neo. In the Matrix Reloaded and The Matix Revolutions, Neo was very capable of manipulating things outside the Matrix, such as the Sentinels. The thing about the Matrix is it full of allegories and interpretations. So you can't really the whole article is in question because editors interpretd as well as they could, putting truths into the article as well as the allegories. Although, despite your frustration and belligerence, you make a good argument about Neo, although may I point Neo asked the Oracle if he wasn't the One, not the Oracle saying to Neo "you're not the One" you need to think about it philosophically, I suggest (Uglyguy2006 10:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC))


 * Neo's inference that he wasn't the One may or may not have been correct - it's consistent with both the conversation with the Oracle, and later events in the movie to assume that he only became "the One" when he accepted the role, or to assume that he was "the One" all along, and the Oracle was allowing him to believe otherwise. The part the film is clear on is that Neo leaves the conversation believing that the Oracle has confirmed that he's not "the One", which is also the part that's significant. The accuracy of the belief appears to be speculation. Rmsgrey 22:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

So i dunt get it. does neo still live after the matrix revolutions?


 * It certainly looks like he's dead (and he's treated as dead, but respected, by the machine intelligences in the denouement).--74.104.131.76 03:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Sources and opinions
Please, can we eliminate all the opinions in this article and adhere closely to what actually is (and not what others think they might be)? MatrixVendetta 12:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Use
Unless I am mistaken - fair use policy on wikipedia says one screenshot per article. Most images on this page are screenshots, and thus is violating image policy rules. I suggest all but one be taken down. strideranne 09:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)strideranne


 * I don't see mention here (in a cursory examination) of any numeric limit; just that screenshots to illustrate TV, movie, or videogame articles "for critical commentary" are fair use.--74.104.131.76 03:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Myspace Tom
I think it's odd that Myspace's mascot, Tom Anderson, has a very similar name. --70.28.114.31 00:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he was a hacker when he was a kid (Lord Flatop), the FBI raided his and a lot of friends houses, he was hacking into government netwroks and banks, this was in Nationwide newspapers back when the brothers were younger. Makes you wonder if "MySpace Tom" is not the the inspiration for Neo's slave name? 68.59.205.11 (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Citing sources
"This article does not cite its sources"

Seems to me the movies themselves ought to be considered sources, even ones whose explicit citation is not required because they are self-evident and well-known sources (and links that lead to further information about the movies and the opportunity to obtain copies of the movies themselves abound here, and at other Matrix-related articles with similar notices attached). Of course, unsourced statements that aren't fairly obvious to anyone who's watched the movies would still need citations added...--74.104.131.76 03:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Significance of the name "Thomas A. Anderson"
Elsewhere it's been suggested that Thomas A. Anderson has nothing to do with "It Conquered the World", but rather, breaks down as follows: "Thomas" -> doubting, "Anderson" -> son of man, i.e. a Messiah who (while he still goes by the name Thomas Anderson) does not know that he is one and later when told he might be remains skeptical for some time.--74.104.131.76 03:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The Matrix Remake??
in this article the matrix remake and in the trinity article the matrix remake are mentioned. searched google, what the hell do these mean?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.31.70.230 (talk) 00:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

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X-Ray code vision
Example: when reviving Trinity near the end of Reloaded, the bullet, invisible to normal vision, is visible (along with Neo's hand) in code vision Rmsgrey (talk) 12:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Forgotten [sic]
This was recently confirmed as not being a loose thread as MxO writer Paul Chadwick "has not forgotten [sic] about that little newspaper clipping".

I don't think that the word "forgotten" qualifies for any of the criteria that would validate the use of [sic] in this context. "Forgotten" is a fairly common version of past simple and past participle of the word "to forget", it's neither archaic nor misspelt. Carneyfex (talk) 10:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Comments
ha ha for The One being a reference to Aeon. --Dante Alighieri 19:14 21 May 2003 (UTC)

This quote "virtually every computer crime there is a law for" is given by Agent Smith during his first conversation with Neo. The quote is not about Neo, it's about Morpheus. Smith is trying to get Neo to give up the goods on Morpheus. Aaeamdar May 21


 * I ponder whether this should be merged with The Matrix... Martin 23:51 31 May 2003 (UTC)

as the character begins to believe that is the prophesized "one", he abandons the name "Thomas Anderson" and begins to go by "Neo". If I remember well, he is and has always been called Neo by all "real" humans. Only Smith and his boss in the Matrix call him Anderson. --FvdP 21:32 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Nod: IIRC, Neo is his "hacker alias", which he uses well before being freed. Similarly for Trinity.

The last paragraph is almost, but not quite, an exact quote from the film. It should probably be changed to either a properly cited exact quote or a better paraphrase. -- SS 15:00, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

toytown?
The character Neo lives in the world of toytown, an illusory construct is that accurate? Seems like vandalism to me, could someone fix this, I'm not quite sure where Neo does live, but I'm pretty sure it isn't "toytown". ---Atyndall93 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Age?
The article itself identifies two Birthdays (as seen in the film): "11 March, 1962" and "13 Sep 71" These would make Neo (in Matrix year 1999, as per start of the trilogy) 37, or 28 accordingly. Yet the character summary box in the top left states, "Age: Either 27 or 28 at the beginning of The Matrix, based on varying information given in the films" Can anyone research and clarify this? xowgax 10:56, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Horrible reading
This whole article reads like it's been written by a 6th grader. I recommend a total revamp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chazwozel (talk • contribs) 20:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I've put up an Original Research template because of unsourced statesment such as: "The power Neo exhibits most often is telekinesis - he seems capable of manipulating any object in the Matrix through will alone." - according to what source? 62.88.171.35 (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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Martial art style(s)
Can anyone tell me which kind of martial art [mixture] is Neo using, when fighting on initial stance with one hand hidden behind his back (like a waiter lol) ? You can see it in later Matrices, when he is already wearing his fancy suit I could not find such stance among kung fu et al. main styles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sledgeas (talk • contribs) 15:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Section on Neo's Abilities is not quite clear
Where is this talk of source code coming from? And why is there no mention of The One? I'm going to cleanup soon; can anyone recommend some canonical sources?--Gee totes (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Neos passport
http://heidilore.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/is-the-matrix-real/

Some personal information can be seen on Thomas Anderson’s “criminal record” that Agent Smith glances at when he interrogates Neo: The last update to the file was July 22, 1998 Neo’s date of birth is “March 11, 1962″ Neo’s place of birth is “Lower Downtown, Capitol City” Neo’s mother’s maiden name is “Michelle McCahey” Neo’s father’s name is “John Anderson” Neo attended “Central West Junior High” and “Owen Paterson High” (named after the film’s production designer). Seconds later a photocopy of his passport can be seen. There the place of his birth is CAPITAL CITY USA, his date of birth is the 13th of September 1971, the passport was issued on the 12th of September 1991 and will expire on the 11th of September 2001. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.103.61.65 (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah isn't that fucking creepy? 9-11-01. But this movie was made years before. Weird. 98.203.121.114 (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

This is all trivial, similar to extracting "information" from various computer displays seen throughout various Star Trek episodes and movies. (Example: Of 5 random dates, one ended up being that of a notable event completely unconnected to anything in the movie.) - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 15:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

This point is everything but trivial!