Talk:Neo Geo (system)/Archive 1

Neo-Geo art
Neo-Geo is also a style of contemporary art, engendered in the East Village in the 1980's. Should we make this article a dismambiguation and move the current contents to Neo-Geo_(Console), and make a new article titled Neo-Geo_(Art)?
 * Please sign and structure your comments. I already mentioned this on the Neo Geo disambiguation talk page, but without knowing the subject or art form any better, I would assume Neo-Geometry a more suitable page title. I would also like to see this Neo-Geo art entry before adding it to any kind of disambiguation pages - perhaps the art form does not fulfil Wikipedia's requirements for noteworthiness? Hong-baba 15:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Neo-Geo Gold
The following text was at Neo Geo Gold before I made it a redirect to Neo-Geo, as it merely duplicated information from that page, and didn't even mention the Neo-Geo Gold(if there is/was such a thing).


 * The Neo Geo AES was a cartridge-based computer gaming system. It was the first Neo Geo to be released to the public.  It cost $650 new, however the games cost an unbelievable $250 each.  Though considered to be the best game system of the 90's the price was considered prohibitive.  The joysticks on this system are very close to the ones found on Neo Geo arcade machines.


 * Specs:

* Processors: Motorola 68000 (12 MHz), Zilog Z80A (4 MHz) * Display resolution: 320x224 * Color Palette: 65,536 * Maximum Colors On-Screen: 4,096 * Maximum Sprites On-Screen: 380 * Minimum Sprite Size: 1x2 * Maximum Sprite Size: 16x512 * Maximum Planes: 3 * Sound Channels: 15 (7 Digital, 4 FM synthesis, 3 PSG, 1 Noise Channel) * Internal RAM: Work RAM: 64 Kb, Video RAM: 68 Kb, Z80 RAM: 2 Kb   * Save Memory: Removable Memory Card

Wording
I don't like the following sentences in the intro:
 * This system was not years ahead of its time because of any innovations, it simply was the current standard of arcade hardware, but available for home purchase. The system was named AES (Advanced Entertainment System) by SNK, and is a slightly modified form of the MVS (Multi Video System).

It's slightly misleading or confusing to read. It seems to imply that the system had no innovation or that it was the arcade standard, even though there were others. Also, since the AES was the original name, I don't think it's accurate to say that the AES was modified from the MVS. Shawnc 02:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Dion Dakis
Not that I care much for the man or what he did to the Neo Geo inserts and cartridges, but whatever happened with his, "business?" His last update on the site is around 2003 and Google turns up nothing new on this man.

Seeing as how he had an affect on the Neo Geo community as a whole with his propensity for attracting trouble and his mangled cartridges still floating around on eBay, I'm surprised there isn't any mention of him. Not that I think he deserves a place in the Wikipedia on any level.


 * He does not deserve inclusion in Wikipedia, unless there is encyclopedic relevance to the history of the Neo Geo scene. I would venture a "no".  However, for information's sake I can confirm that SNK-Playmore filed a lawsuit against his business around that time.  Any further details could probably garnered at one of the external links.  Bobak 20:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Who is dion dakis, sorry I don't know. Maybe you should write a seperate entry about him.

US launch price correction
I am one of the few people in the US who bothered to buy a Neo Geo at its nationwide launch (and I'm still a devotee, but I realize there weren't many of us at the time), and I can state without any question that the retail price of the system in the US was $649.99. I still have the box with the Software Etc. price sticker on it and would be more than happy to take a photo as proof when I go back to where the box is stored. Additionally, this price can be backed up by anyone in the Neo Geo community that's present on the various websites linked at the bottom. I base all my changes on adaptations of my own original research as a long-time moderator and admin of Neo-Geo.com and author of the Neo Glossary on that website. Any use is with my explicit permission. With that said, this entire article, particularly the history section, needs serious work to correct mistakes and add important reasons for why the system didn't succeed as a home system, but managed to thrive as an arcade unit for over a decade. That will have to be for another day when I have more time ;-) Bobak 20:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

what where teh prices of the games? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.96.167 (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Resolution
The article states that the display resolution is 320x224. However, almost all emulators use 304x224. What is the correct one? --Pezezin 13:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Televisions have unseen lines used for syncing, closed captioning data etc. It is likely that the emulators just dump these lines and report only visible lines.--69.176.61.176 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know that, but other machines like the Sega Megadrive or System 16 use a real 320x224 resolution, so I doubt it's related to blanking intervals. --Pezezin 23:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

CD Quality

 * while the onboard Yamaha 2610 sound chip gave the system 15 channels of CD-quality sound (16-bit, 44khz stereo) with seven channels reserved specifically for digital sound effects.

I am really not sure where this is coming from but looking at the datasheets the YM2610 could only process 4bit sound at a maxium of 55.5KHz (mono). A far cry from CD-quality, which is 16-bit 44khz stereo.

Physical dimensions of carts
Just how big were the Neo Geo carts (how did they compare with SNES/Genesis carts of the era)? The slot on the system would suggest they were very large. Also, any idea on production costs of each cart?

They were about the size of VHS tapes

Arcade hardware
somebody should make an article called Neo-Geo (arcade) which focuses on the arcade machine with the same hardware as the cartridge-based home console. --Nintendude message 11:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * that would be overkill. I say that as the person who wrote the Neo Glossary on Neo-Geo.com and site administrator.  Such an article would be short and easily included as a subsection in the main Neo-Geo article which you decided to move.  MVS/AES use identical hardware with only cosmetic changes to prevent swapping by arcade ops; CD is only a different format change made to allow for cheaper games.  Besides, the history of the MVS/AES are inexorably intertwined: the MVS was created to advertise the AES which itself was intended in it's initial launch as a rental system. Making that move without a firm understanding of the system was a bit hasty... --Bobak 18:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's harmonize this mess
The name of the system is Neo Geo, not Neo-Geo. There's a massive load of cruft to clean up... can anyone set a bot to do the necessary changes and moves? - Stormwatch 08:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * While I agree this article is a bit of a mess, there's a problem with your comments on the name: SNK and subsequent variations thereof have called the Neo a variety of spellings, the current official site has it without any space or punctuation "NEOGEO". Other times its used the bullet as well as nothing at all (as the title is now).  To claim one way is certain is incorrect. Please identify the so-called "cruft" and we can work on that.  --Bobak 22:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm taking the more recent startup screen as the canon:


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 * Note that there is a space between Neo and Geo. It's quite small, but you can see that it does not say NeoGeo or Neogeo or NEOGEO. But if you take the older startup screen as a reference...




 * ...it could be Neo•Geo. However, the newer one should override the older one. Also, it can't be Neo-Geo because (as far as I recall, correct me if I'm mistaken) SNK never used that spelling.


 * Now, why not taking the newer, "official" spelling - NEOGEO - as canon? Shouldn't the newer one override the older ones? I suggest not taking that route. Consider this: I recall reading an interview, a looooong time ago, in which some Nintendo person wanted their then-new system to be spelled GAMECUBE -- and who calls it that? They pretty much have given up on that, since all-uppercase spellings tend to be ignored.


 * Thus I propose that Neo Geo is correct, and every different spelling should be changed to this. - Stormwatch 10:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem with the newer one, without a space, is that its not longer associated with the console (which SNK-P stopped supporting) and is now just for labeling IP that was initially developed on the Neo Geo. I think it's a good idea to keep all the references to one name, probably the Neo Geo that you've already moved this article to.  The first line can state that it's also been written as Neo·Geo, NeoGeo and sometimes Neo-Geo in different writing (the latter sprung up probably because a lot of people we're as familiar with how to make a bullet in the early days of online discussion).  One think about SNK, they're idea of "canon" is pretty loose compared to many other companies. --Bobak 17:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I too propose Neo Geo, not because of tremendous affinity for it, but because it would seem to be the best choice convention-wise. While it's clear that there will be proponents of Neo·Geo, NeoGeo, NEOGEO, Neo-Geo etc, the markup-free, special case -free choice would seem like a good starting point for uniformizing the Neo Geo pages? Hong-baba 15:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

This has been supported longer than the Atari 2600
In this article, the 2600 article, and a few others, it states that the 2600 is the oldest system followed by the AES. They all credit the 2600 from 1977-1992 and the AES from 1990-2004. However, the last first party Atari game came out in 1990 and Atari dropped support in 1992. The last SNK first party title hit in 2004 and they dropped support in 2007. If you go by either one of the criteria, the AES is the longer lasting console, but the articles are mixing the two so that the 2600 is the longer one. (Lord Omega Yagami 20:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC))

http://kotaku.com/gaming/no-love/snk-stop-neo-geo-support-265509.php

Virtual Console
I think there needs to be a bit of a rewrite in the emulation section with regards to the Wii's Virtual Console. If you look at it, there's a mention of an announcment of Neo Geo games coming to the Japanese VC. Then we have two sentances mentioning announcments of Neo Geo titles coming to the North American VC, a general "Neo Geo games are on the way" sentence, a mention that the European VC will also be getting them and finally "oh they are availible on the Australian VC". It's just a bunch of announcments that seem unneeded. Also why mention the announcments when Neo Geo games are now availible from the Japanese store (as of September 18, 2007) and the European one (as of 5th October, 2007). It seems very strange to only mention they are availible from the Australian store - a previous version of the article did mention that (like the Australian one) Neo Geo games could be purchased from the European Virtual Console, but for soom reason this was removed. Something more like the sentance on GameTap emulation would be preferable.

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380 sprites max or 384 sprites max
Many places say 380 sprites, but I beleive that it is actually 384 sprites and SNK just rounded it off. It makes a little more sense because 384 sprites is 3x128 and 128 is a power of two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.124.116 (talk) 02:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Comparisons to Super Famicom and Sega Mega Drive
My concerns with the comparative example used with these two brand names are that is seems like original research and hasno reference for the assertion No original research yet names to two branded entities. Elizabeth BY (talk) 20:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense. The basis works off the links to those respective articles (though it may not be the best way): with the Mega Drive we would be comparing against the infobox on the Mega Drive/Genesis page (which has 1988-97); the SFC/SNES page has 1990-2000/03 (depending on which date you use in the 32-bit section).  I can find a cite for the 2004 end for the Neo Geo (sales of the final game come from that time); but that would be the comparison.  It could certainly be more explicit if we listed dates and possibly copying the cites used in those articles.  This article's been a mess for quite some time. --Bobak (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

History citation
Theres a part in the history section of the article, "However, the screen resolution for the games were slightly lower than comparable games at the time, and the MVS cabinet used in the United States also had unusual video hardware which made the games visuals appear slightly more dark and contrasted than other games."

I don't feel the lower resolution point is really valid or necessary. And the "unusual video hardware" just has no basis in reality at all. The only "unusual video hardware" is a piece of tinted glass as opposed to clear glass...something many manufacturers have used to mask burn in and other monitor defects. Again I dont think this deserves mention at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.6.157.15 (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)