Talk:Neoconservatism (term)

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''There are two articles now, so there must be two talk files. See Talk:Neoconservatism (United States) for some issues that really belong here.''

Mild update. It would be quite useful to review http://disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=neo-conservative which contains many international linkages not mentioned here, which should be.

There are also US-Israel, US-Canada, US-UK, US-Australia commonalities, each of which needs its own mentions, along with the Israel-Canada-UK cross-linkages. For instance, Conrad Black, a Canadian who hates Canada and lives in London, owns the Jerusalem Post, which calls for assassination of Yasser Arafat. And Izzy Asper, a Canadian who supports Israel unconditionally, owns Global TV which was the only Canadian TV network to send an "embedded reporter" to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Australians and US cooperate almost automatically in the War on Terrorism (just like the Vietnam War) and now seem to share an interventionist foreign policy, which Canada and the UK do not seem to share to the same degree (despite Anthony Blair, who is taking major heat for it that Bush and Howard aren't taking).

Its extremely good practice to disambig articles like this one where the words have tottaly different meanings in different areas.

Iran and Neoconservatism
this chapter has no citation and no indication on what the argument is based, that iranian neoconservatism draws on fascism, marxism and populism. i will delete that sentence until there is citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellicosus (talk • contribs) 23:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ireland and the UK
Somebody added text about Ireland and the UK to Neoconservatism, which is the page for the U.S. So I reformatted this disamib page to accommodate the text from the other article. Here are two issues with the content I brought in:
 * UK: no refs, OR. I kept the tag for that.
 * Ireland: Here is the comment from Talk:Neoconservatism:


 * While it is a fact that Eoghan Harris supports many of the Bush administrations actions I don't know of a source that is calling him a "neo-conservative". First off there is a huge undue weight issue here.  Secondly its completely unsourced.  Thirdly connecting a supporter of the Bush administartion with being a support of neo-conservativism in general (without sources) is OR.  I'm tagging the section as unsourced and as OR - if sources can't be found for it soon it will have to go-- Cailil   talk 23:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Then somebody added the two bare refs from www.independent.ie. -Colfer2 (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You made a good decision to move this material here Colfer2. But I think we need to examine the Eoghan Harris piece again.  The bare refs are links to his Op-Ed in the Irish Independent.  Somebody else - whoever added the material in the first place - has interpreted Harris's support for the US and G W Bush's policies as support for Neoconservatism or  as Neoconservatism in and of itself.  There are no sources for this assertion and unless Harris defines himself as a neo-con Wikipedia is the only place doing so.  I think it's time to removed the unsourced-- Cailil   talk 18:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I;m deleting the 'Ireland' section. Google shows no support for Harris as a neocon outside of the blogospahere. -Colfer2 (talk) 18:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed categorization
Removed categorization into liberal democracies and non-liberal democracies. The problem is that it's not clear that it is correct to say that neoconservative movements in the liberal democracies are similar. What Canadians say when they say neoconservative is very different from the US, and there are some people who argue that US and Iranian neoconservativism is actually fundamentally similar.

Roadrunner (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there a ref for the Iranian-US connection, other than as a rhetorical point? The connections between the liberal countries seemed to be referenced as a serious matter, last time I looked. -Colfer2 (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Canada
The Canada article has been deleted, and therefore I am deleting it from the list. The Four Deuces (talk) 23:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't neocon redirect Neoconservatism instead Neoconservatism (disambiguation)
Shouldn't neocon redirect Neoconservatism instead Neoconservatism (disambiguation) Kasaalan (talk) 16:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Does this article even make sense?
This article is supposed to be listing different branches of neoconservatism worldwide. However, is it really plausible to claim that American neoconservatism, Japanese neoconservatism, 'New Conservatism' in China and 'neo-fundamentalism' in Iran are all branches of the same ideology? I doubt they would agree on much, if anything, with each other. It seems to me more like this article lists various 'new conservative' movements in different countries, without there being any significant links between them. Robofish (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)