Talk:Neopets/Archive 1

AntiNeopian
AntiNeopian.com,the largest current anti-neopets site, continues to be removed. Is there a reason why this shouldn't be linked to on Wikipedia? &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110; 22:55, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, that site isn't particularly anti-Neopets, but has more to do with players who dislike how TNT is running things on the site, which isn't really "anti-Neopets". (I'd expect an anti-Neopets site to be made of non-players writing articles about its gambling games and kids becoming addicted to it.)  I'm not the one that's removing the links, though. AySz88 ^  -  ^  01:45, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Looking into it some more (the "active topics today" link), it doesn't even seem all that active, other than various forum game topics, "I got frozen" posts, and people promoting sabotage. I don't think it's appropriate. AySz88 ^  -  ^  01:45, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a small forum with a few thousand posts, it's not notable. Beyond that, its only practical use is giving a few laughs to any reader with slightly more than very little computer experience. --Sn0wflake 01:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * How isn't it appropriate or notable? AntiNeopian is the only active anti-neopets forum and the largest anti-neopets site. Certainly, including it gives the article a more neutral POV (since numerous fansites are listed). It has over 400 members and over 16,000 posts.


 * Also, if this was aimed at new computer users, the majority of users polled wouldn't use Firefox and there wouldn't be a link to get OpenOffice at the bottom.  &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110;  04:16, August 29, 2005 (UTC)+


 * If that is indeed the largest "anti-Neopets" site, I'd dare to say that anti-Neopet...ism? is too small to be covered at all in the article, since it dwarfs bigger and more significant events such as those the "Controversy" part of the article (i.e. the Australia media thing). Your site is just an online community of people that dislike TNT.
 * I think script kiddie wannabes might be more accurate than users with "little computer experience" then. Honestly, there's no real substance at that site.  AySz88 ^  -  ^  05:30, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, after re-reading it, it looks like "controversy and criticisms" wasn't really grouped as I thought it was. But it was strange before, i.e. concerns about addicting kids to gambling being talked about in the same place as concerns over customer service.  I split it into two parts. AySz88 ^  -  ^  05:45, August 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * AntiNeopian is the largest community at this time, but the old forums by Neobuks, www.no-more-neopets.tk, and numerous other pages indicate that the anti-neopets movement is larger than just 400 people. We don't just dislike NeoStaff ("TNT"), we also dislike the quality of Neopets, the overmarketing, the violation of freedom of speech, and more (explained on the site). The majority of members of AntiNeopian aren't script kiddies or n00bs, they are people with the desire to seek change in a site they once may have liked, protest against injustices occurring everyday, and/or help others break free of addiction to Neopets.  &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110;  07:03, August 29, 2005 (UTC)   &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110;  07:03, August 29, 2005 (

I think antineopian should be listed on the wikipedia because we can tell the neopians why we're doing it and give them reasons to hate neopests!
 * Why shouldn't AntiNeopian be one of the external links? Because it has no real substance? It has plenty of substance and offers insights on why many people dislikes Neopets. Some of the articles there really illustrates the cause and mission of an AntiNeopian. For example Discord's article about AntiNeopets, and all the reasons users provided to argue with ProNeopians in the ProNeopian section. Some of the posts are rather pointless or rude, but that's a part of online forums. -Disgustipated from AntiNeopian
 * I disagree. The site isn't significant enough. -Aranel ( Sarah ) 17:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Said forum is merely a collection of posts in which people discuss ways in which they imagine they can hack Neopets; there are also a few unverifiable complaints which get "Yeah!" and "That's so true!" as their only follow-ups. My all-time favorite is "Now that I've got Neopet's IP address they are screwed!", but there are others, of course. It's not notable enough to be included in the Wikipedia and it will very likely never be. --Sn0wflake 18:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh my god, the site isn't signifacent enough! Bite me. It's not signifacent to Neopets' "immense" user database, when they've been around for, what, six years, use advertising, and have a greedy money-whore to get them innocent little kids and old hags (*coughHROBIcough*). We, on the other hand, have over 400 members and over 15,000 posts, have only been running since late January of 2005 (running for less than 9 months), and only use word-of-mouth advertising. You'd be surprised at how many forums have much less members and posts than us.


 * Saying that we aren't against Neopets is like saying that Bill Clinton doesn't like sex. It's just incorrect. And for your information, disliking the way things are run and discussing it is only a fragment of the forums, and is "against" Neopets, therefore, it is technically Antineopian.


 * Anyway, I'll say it again - we don't look signifacent against Neopets, but we ARE signifacent. For example, the founders of both Marapets (Ian) and Jinopets (KK15) have signed up and posted on the site. 'Nuff said. -Nemmy, owner of Antineopian.com &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nemmy (talk &bull; contribs) 10:04, September 3, 2005 (UTC).


 * I'm a member of antineopian.com and I would say it's just as significant as other "anti-sites" It as refered to as a "gathering place for people who hate neopets." that is a somewhat inaccurate description, we don't like neopets in its current state and want to inform others of the site's unfairness to its users. insignificant posts do exist, but there are plenty of significant posts as well. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.201 (talk &bull; contribs) 20:19, September 3, 2005 (UTC).


 * To put my two sense in, I am the owner of Jinopets and use the Antineopian forums as a guide when working on the development of Jinopets 2. AntiNeopian isn't that big, that is true, but it does have it's share of opinions. These opinions are important, and people should know about some of them. I am not sure if I support AntiNeopian being listed with the Neopets wikipedia article, but some of you do have to realize that some of your responses to the AntiNeopian members make no sense at all. Within Neopets itself there are plenty of places I could link to users talking about sabotage, and such. I think if AntiNeopian really wants to be listed, it should then have a staff of programmers and artists make an actual site, not using a free forum. They could then add their own pages of content to go with the forums. I think argueeing with people here about it isn't going to help. If they say it isn't good enough to be posted here - make it better. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.144.81.227 (talk &bull; contribs) 21:31, September 3, 2005 (UTC).


 * I play Neopets and I like the site despite it's numerous faults but I also agree with many of the points from the antineopian site. I don't see why it's so bad to include a simple little link to the site so people can see things from the antineopian point of view. Yes, the site is small right now but has been growing fairly quickly. Also, if it wasn't for sites like antineopian a lot of people wouldn't even know about the tracking cookies that Neo tends to put on peoples computers occasionaly(I had a couple blocked today)~Royal Shoyru/shoyru_king123 &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.151.226.112 (talk &bull; contribs) 22:48, September 3, 2005 (UTC).


 * I've never had the chance to ask you this on the forums - you're saying that you're a Proneopian with a reality chaser? -Nemmy &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nemmy (talk &bull; contribs) 10:43, September 4, 2005 (UTC).


 * I think this link should be here. It has alot of useful information on it that people should be aware of before they start playing neopets.+-chrono_ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chronoclockxvii (talk &bull; contribs) 17:46, September 4, 2005 (UTC).


 * I think this link should be here. It provides useful information and real (And creepy) facts about Neopets that their users should be aware, like methods that are used by their sponsors that can be a serious threat to the user's privacy. -NeutrinoX &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.84.75.211 (talk &bull; contribs) 20:08, September 4, 2005 (UTC).


 * In order for Wikipedia to stay NPOV, opposing viewpoints must be represented on the article and the external links. Reading the article, much information is in the "Controversy and Criticism" section, which must mean that many people dislike Neopets. Antineopian is the largest anti-neopets site currently.  &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110; : Not Logged In


 * Please sign your posts.


 * There are also an awful lot of IP adresses posting, so I listed the issue at Requests_for_comment/Style_issues so we can get some experienced Wikipedians' opinions. AySz88 ^  -  ^  03:09, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


 * -	AntiNeopian.com has been closed for literally months, so this part was removed. If somebody disagrees with this, then roll back &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.100.56.51 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * AntiNeopian is still open at [www.antineopian.org] and [s7.invisionfree.com/antineopian]  &#1090;&#601; z&#1108; &#1090;&#1110;

If neopets is on this site why shouldn't antineopian be on wikipedia is suppose to share both sides of the argument isn't it? "Editors are encouraged to uphold a policy of "neutral point of view" under which notable perspectives are summarized without an attempt to determine an objective truth."

Lots of AntiNeopian members I've seem are trying to convert Neopians into AntiNeopians. >_< Just a small observation. -- PinkDeoxys 13:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)