Talk:Nerf/Archive 1

Virtual terminology
Nerf is used in the MMORPG Everquest to describe the action of degrading a virtual objects value/power/usefullness. example: An item is too powerful and gets "nerfed". MediaMogul 12:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * In City of Heroes, the community uses the phrase "nerfbat" for a mythical weapon used to bash too strong powers into gimpedness. - SkarmoryThePG 22:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There's an article about the terminology. vadvdscxJust look in Nerf (computer gaming) and see for yourself. --Juigi Kario (Charge! * My crusades) 22:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a small header & paragraph about the words use and meaning in context to computer games on the main nerf page or at least a link to the Nerf (computer gaming) article. Anyone else agree? I was going to just say that there should be a link to the nerf(computer gaming) article, so yes, I agree. (I can't do it myself as I'm not used to making changes in wikipedia). But I see that there are already various comments here about the word 'nerf' and MMORPGs etc. Someone has said that perhaps a rewrite is in order. Should the article on 'Nerf' be simply expanded, i.e. the fact that it was orignally a soft toy could be part of the history, with the rest being devoted to MMORPGs? 82.35.15.212 02:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

More info on non-warfare nerfing?
Not single mention of nerf footballs or and other popular nerf toys? I've never even heard of nerf wars.


 * I agree - the article is heavy on Nerf weapons. I've made a separate section for these and put an intro paragraph in. I expect that as non-weapons sections of this article grow, the Nerf weapons section will become its own article. --Zippy 05:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that most of this page could be placed on a new page "nerf wars" or something. I came here expecting to learn the history of Nerf, not how to macgyver my own custom darts!  :) --Frantik 13:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Nerf history
This article should have more information on the guns produced by Nerf. I want to see about their history, how they're made, and how they work. Nerf modification should be in a different article.


 * I agree. The "history" section is not about Nerf, but about Parker Brothers.  I'm going to check back in a week, and if no one objects, I am going to delete the section until someone can come up with some Nerf-specific history. --CKozeluh 19:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The "ultimator" was a missile shooting gun with ranges upwards of 110' that is rumored to have been discontinued due to injuries.

The ultimator was made by mattel and is therefore not nerf. Euphemism 02:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * In fact, these toys are definitely not "made" bei Hasbro or Mattel or *whoever*. As it seems the products are made by Chinese firms who have an exculsive contract with the bigger firms/labels such as hasbro, mattel... Who has got precise facts on this? 78.50.227.27 (talk) 10:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Section organization
Does anyone else think that the section on Stefan darts/homemade weapons in Nerf Weapons should be put under the Nerf modification section? I don't think that the current organization makes much sense. Nivlak 01:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree with that, this artical needs a major re-work. In its current form its very un encyclopedia like, I'm toying with reverting it, does anyone else agree with is idea? Illadar 17:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Placing the article of stefan darts would naturally go with nerf modificaitons, presuming that a proper Nerf Modification section is made.

Car Nerf
That section on off-road nerf really shouldn't be in there at all. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation and come up with a disambiguation page, or shorten that section to 'also an off-roading term'  with a wiki link to the disambiguation page. --Animakitty 16:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going ahead and shortening it, due to a lack of resistance to the suggestion I left earlier. --Animakitty 23:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

An encyclopedic article, not a fansite
This article was ridiculous and unsuitable for Wikipedia's standards. The section on the Fall 2006 weapons was very unnecessary and far too descriptive of one single product. I revised a lot and made the article discuss the changes in Nerf products over the years, so now it doesn't sound like some enthusiastic "Nerfer" kid advertising a hip new product while allowing the rest of the article to suffer. Hope you guys like what I did. Cale 09:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Company History
Later, the range of Nerf products expanded through the Super Soaker company to include mock weapons that fired Nerf ammunition, such as rifles and pistols.

What? The series of companies that have owned the Nerf product line (Tonka, Parker Bros, OddzOn, etc.) were not associated with Super Soaker until both companies were bought out by Hasbro. Nerf weapons were made long before these mergers occurred.

206.41.49.21 22:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Really??? how old is Nerf?4.227.206.77 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Complete Rewrite
This article is a mess. With the subject being Nerf (the material, or overarching product line, depending on how you see it), there is way too much focus on one type of the Nerf product (the toy guns/blasters). If we want to go the route of discussing the blasters in more detail, this should be done in a separate "Nerf blasters" article. Note that the current article doesn't really talk about the Nerf material, or the other items that Nerf is associated with (sports equipment, footballs, etc.) Even a section about the product line history (ownership and such) would be a vastly more relevant topic.


 * Took care of it, I think. -  hmwith  talk   14:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, now it only has 1 or 2 sentences about the guns... make another section on it, maybe even another article on them, or nerf wars. Neoplayer2 (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

NERF vs Nerf
It seems that www.nerf.com calls it NERF not Nerf, Wikipedia should reflect that. RyanTMulligan 03:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The company is inconsistent on this. See http://www.hasbro.com/forms/orderform.cfm?prod=Nerf&sku=90/70 for an example. 65.162.65.2 18:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I know that Nerf is all capital letters. NERF, with all capital letters, is the correct name. The official NERF site says its NERF. Reflect that! NerfGUNNER06 11:17, 1 September 2008


 * Actually, it really should be Nerf and not NERF, per WP:MOSTM. It doesn't matter how the company spells it. The article needs be moved to Nerf. --Mosquitopsu (talk) 05:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha! You are totally correct. I wasn't aware of that. Forgive me while I move the article & fix all of the instances of all caps.  hmwith  τ   17:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅  hmwith  τ   17:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Proven vs. claimed
I keep having to revert an IP address claiming unsourced statements have been "proven". It has not proven that these weapons can shoot such a distance if you cannot provide a source. If you provide one saying it's a fact, you can add that it's been proven. In the meantime, an encyclopedia must say what is known fact. There is no room for original research here. -  hmwith  talk   20:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about claims of Nerf blasters being modified and shooting MUCH farther than stock, like a Longshot CS-6 shooting over 100', there IS proof. Not only what people type on Nerfhq.com and Nerfhaven.com, but also videos on Youtube that show them getting shot, then pulling out a tape measure and measuring in front of the camera. I've seen videos of that. 24.28.35.176 (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Link, or it didn't happen. Why is this hard to understand?-- era (Talk | History) 16:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

NERF wars
The NERF wars keeps being randomly deleted by User:38.119.244.46 without a given reason. Since the section is fully sourced and relevant, I can't find a reason for its deletion. This user, or any other editors, are welcome to comment. hmwith talk  21:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

i added a reason to the most recent deletion and at the top of this discussion page. it doesn't belong and is not fully sourced, the only source is one made up tripod account. like this one: http://nerfwarsnotreal.tripod.com/ if we must add nerf wars then it should be under the line of toy and what it can be used for as well as adding information about each other toy line. its too vague. 38.119.244.46 13:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Nerf Wars
nerf wars does not belong in this article. it is just playing with nerf guns. and the only source was a tripod page. like the one i made here: http://nerfwarsnotreal.tripod.com/ if we must have nerf wars in the article then it should be under the type of toy and what it can be used for. so you could have a section nerf guns, nerf guns can be used to play games of nerf warfare, target practice or to shoot co-workers. then go into each toy line and maybe mention a few different variations of the types of toys in each toy line and what types of games are played with them and how you use them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.119.244.46 (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That, by definition, is what should be in the article. There's not enough information or sources for a whole separate article on each type of NERF toy, so everything is in one... and it's still a smaller article. NERF wars aren't just for guns, but any NERF weapon can be used in these wars. Given, it's not the most reliable source, but NERF wars should definitely be mentioned. hmwith  talk  15:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not one to get involved in an WP:EDIT WAR, so we'll leave it the section out until WP:CONSENSUS is reached. Do you have any ideas for compromise or alternative methods of statement? What would you like changed about that section? hmwith  talk  15:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * its not really relevant. but if it must be added then we should go into detail on each product line. such as the video game accessories talk about them, then go to the different versions of the sport balls like the NERF football and features they added to a normal sport ball and how they've evolved and types of games kids would play with. then have a section on the nerf blasters explain them some and then the games that could be played such as the nerf wars. i can do this if you would like but it will take some time for me to figure out what i would add for each. NERF is not just NERF guns and Nerf wars. 38.119.244.46 18:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I started with the sports line since that was the first listed on hasbros page. kept it brief. let me know what you think, after that i will add nerf blasters and go into a little bit about nerf wars and try to find some better sources. 38.119.244.46 19:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Very good job on those sections. I had a remove a little bit of original research, but I like the idea. We'll both help to expand on it. My problem when adding most of what's in the article was nearly a complete lack of reliable sources. I commend you for finding some! =) hmwith  talk  22:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the term
I have seen various sites claiming that NERF is an acronym for "Non-Expanding Recreational Foam". If this is accurate, the appropriate section should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinifera7 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

o many things can be done here
You know thisarticle could use a list of all of the products. Also some notes about some of the guns for example that the RECON CS-6 and the LONGSHOT CS-6 parts can be connected together.4.227.205.96 (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

This isn't fair!
The point of wikipedia is to compile all useful information on the subject. Nerf modifying is important to the nerf community, and there is a large following. However, it is not mentioned in this article at all. There should be a section about the community, or at least modification.

69.120.222.12 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It might help to gather some relevant outside sources if you want a section on modifications. Perhaps a magazine or newspaper has published an article on this topic. Alhead (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Dart Tag
I'm a little confused about the notability of this section. It cites no sources, and seems to be written as instructions on how to play, rather than an explanation of the game's significance. Perhaps it should be deleted entirely, but a rewrite may work as well. Sources would be a good justification of keeping it. Alhead (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Videogame Announced
They had a debut trailer at http://www.gametrailers.com/player/40774.html Mista koo (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
lol, this was at the end of one of the sections:

"and it use to be real guns but then it shot someone and they turned it into foam darts"

second—I don't think NERF is "taking over the world" Rodomontade (talk) 21:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it must have been vandalism, but it seems to be gone now. Next time you notice obvious vandalism like this, feel free to revert it! Chances are, on a less busy article like this, that no one else may notice it for a while, & it will stay in the article.  hmwith  τ   17:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Help me!
i took my nerf gun apart t o mod it but i can't figure out how to put it back together —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icabod1995 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This isn't a forum. See a NERF forum for questions such as this. This page is for discussing how to improve the Nerf article.  hmwith  τ   17:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This discussion could deal with technical details at least, as this is about a quite sophisticate mechanical toy! On the other hand: Where/ what is a suitable forum? 78.50.227.27 (talk) 10:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nerf+forum --McGeddon (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Ball Blasters
Need their own section.--76.95.66.209 (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

NERF Acronym meaning?
It seems like the widely accepted definition of the term "NERF" is "non-expanding recreational foam" but the inventor's own website has busted that claim. The inventor's website information should be enough to warrant a change to the current article. link to proof: http://reynguyercreativegroup.com/?page_id=12&cat_id=5 Nerfmaster8 (talk) 09:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that link "busts" the claim - it just says "Parker Brothers decided to name the balls NERF after the foam padding that off-the-road enthusiasts wrapped around their roll-bars" (which may itself have that exact acronym or backronym). Given that there's no source for this, though (and that the best I can find is a book saying that "NERF doesn't stand for anything"), I'll cut the acronym as unsourced and mention the Guyer source. --McGeddon (talk) 09:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Implied conclusion in legal section?
The legal issues section seems to imply that the quarterly loss was due to teh boycott, I think that's probably a bit of a stretch and without context (such as the previosu quarters sales and overall economy changes in that period) or a citation supporting it it probably should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.13.165.3 (talk) 06:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

More info Safety Issues?
I seem to recall more than one nerf product being pulled off the shevels to due to injured kids.

-I can find records of only one nerf product being recalled. See here

Nerf modifications
The whole paragraph on nerf modifications could be scaled down to a small paragraph. I dont see the relevance of going into detail explaining how you should modify a water gun to make it more effective, where the potential for making the toy unsafe seems higher.

-While true that having the actual instructions for modification of guns is not needed on the page, information that modifications exist, perhaps some examples (Boltsnipers works come to mind) would be much appreciated by the large nerf modification community. Historically, the sports products and the guns have been the two most important to the NERF company, and the sports products are pretty one-dimensional. However, the NERF gun community is a ever-expanding and changing community, and due to it's larger membership, potential, and multi-faceted nature, it certianly deserves to have more information on it.

Also, according to the paintball Wiki page, "Insurance statistics show that paintball is one of the safest sports in existence, even more so than tennis". That is a game involving shooting proejctiles at hundreds of feet per second using compressed CO2. While no hard data has ever been collected, it's moderately safe to assume that NERF weapons, providing the participants wear basic eye protection, has a next to zero potential for lasting injury.

Model Ranges
This page needs a Model Ranges section like on the SUper SOaker page.

Nerf as a Hobby
Most of the people on this page seem to be speaking from the standpoint of non-Nerfers. The Nerf article was created by and FOR Nerfers. While it is bound to be read (and edited) by people who do not Nerf, and we Nerfers who created the page anticipated this, the person who said,

"i removed nerfing modification details, irrelevant to nerf and promotes dangerous modification of kids toys."

obviously does not modify or intend to modify Nerf guns and therefore can't fairly remove major sections of the article, even if they seem irrelevant to him or her. It is most certainly NOT irrelevant to Nerf to anyone who is genuinely interested in it as a hobby. It is a major part of Nerf for anyone who fits into this group and should therefore be included in the article. This section could also give information to people who aren't familiar with Nerf gun modifications, which is after all its intended purpose.

Most of you seem to be thinking of Nerf as a company that makes plastic toys rather than Nerf as a hobby; you have to understand that this article was originally authored by Nerfers (most of whom were/are members of the NerfHaven and/or NerfHQ forums) and, as a result, its main focus at the beginning was to give more information about the hobby of Nerfing. The only solution to this dispute (ie, "is Nerf a material, company or hobby?") I can come up with would be to have two separate articles, one about the Nerf company and one about the hobby. Some of you are ignorant of the many parts of Nerf that Nerfers consider when the word comes to mind (such as wars and modifications) and therefore can't fairly critique the article, but I, being a Nerf modifier and warrer myself, suppose I'm a little biased towards making the main focus of the article the hobby of Nerfing rather than the Nerf company; again my only idea for a solution is to have an article about Nerf as a hobby and one about Nerf as a company.

-NerfMonkey, NerfHQ administrator — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerfmonkey (talk • contribs) 20:56, 28 March 2007‎


 * I just looked up this article to read about the company, and I see from the very first sentence that the article is about the hobby. There should definitely be two separate articles - one for the company, and one for the hobby. Mystery Achievement (talk) 04:22, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The toys such as footballs, etc., are not "plastic" - they are foam. Mystery Achievement (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

NERF definition
the NERF page has no definition for the acronym NERF Non-Expending Recreational Foam

I represent NERF as a community and it angered my that the definition for NERF was on several links to acronym site but not on Wikipedia  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desktopuser (talk • contribs) 17:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * that is accurate but Hasbro has not published it anymore, wikipedia requires documentation which we don't have so this can't be added. mylastdart did confirm but only posted a yahoo article as proof...Nerfmaster8 (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)