Talk:Nescopeck Mountain

just so you know, the precise term is toponymy, not etymology. JackTheVicar (talk) 14:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC) --was looking to take this article's GA review. Would you mind? Two points before I do ...The name Nescopeck can't be Shawnee. Words in Shawnee cannot end in consonants according to David Costa who is the expert in the Shawnee language. Second, you mention the formations of the mountain, but not the orogeny that lifted it. I think the orogeny ought to be mentioned. JackTheVicar (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No objection to you taking the GA review, especially since I have something like 50 articles that I'm waiting to nominate. I checked Walter Brasch's Columbia County Place Names, an extremely comprehensive and well-researched book on local geography, and found information that contradicts those claims. Only the snippet view is available on Google Books, but I'll quote the relevant passages: "Probably named for a Shawnee Indian village at the site of what is now known as the borough of Nescopeck in Nescopeck Twp. (Luzerne County). Nescopeck is probably an Anglicized deterioration of Neskchoppeek, itself composed of the root words tuppeek...and either niskeu...or neesiku...Thus, Nescopeck could be a corruption of the Shawnee for "dirty waters" or "black waters". Perhaps the language has changed in the meantime? Regardless, it is certainly a Native American word, so perhaps it can be changed to that. I also believe that I used all available information, and did not find any sources on its formation. If you know of any yourself, please let me know. --Jakob (talk)  aka Jakec  00:57, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Native names often get butchered by well-meaning local historians...they aren't linguists. I run into it often. If that's the origin he's giving for the name, it wouldn't be Shawnee, it would be a Munsee name. JackTheVicar (talk) 01:00, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You may be right (I wouldn't know), so I have changed it from Shawnee to simply Native American. --Jakob (talk)  aka Jakec  02:04, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * out of curiosity, I emailed a colleague of mine, Ray Whritenour, who is a leading philologist specializing in Lenape, which Munsee is the northern dialect. He wrote to me moments ago saying: "It looks like Munsee, niiskpeek ("that which gets wet"), to me. The Moravian missionary, John Ettwein, said Nescopec meant "a deep, nasty hole."  I assume, by "hole," he meant 'water hole.'" We see that hole reference in the name Walpack, near me, which referred to a "turn hole" at a bend in the Delaware. JackTheVicar (talk) 19:09, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We can figure a way under WP:RS to make it workable within the article. JackTheVicar (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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